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User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

I've been doing some recon for a trip I am taking with the family today, and am curious if someone can explain what the following means from the DFW status board. Thanks in advance.

Due to TM Initiatives:MIT/MINIT:WX:Swap, traffic is experiencing Gate Hold and Taxi delays between 16 minutes and 30 minutes in length and increasing.

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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5413 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Something like:

Due to Traffic Management Initiatives: Miles In Trail/Minutes In Trail: Weather: Severe Weather Avoidance Program ...

Basically the departures are limited so that are aircraft are spaced N minutes/miles behind the one in front, in order to reduce the volume. Therefore the departures are delayed to match this requirement.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Thanks! I need to get a decoder ring so I can stay up on this stuff. Appreciate your help.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3692 times:



ATCSCC ADVZY 033 DFW/ZFW 03/18/2008 CDM GROUND STOP
MESSAGE:
CTL ELEMENT: DFW
ELEMENT TYPE: APT
ADL TIME: 1351Z
GROUND STOP PERIOD: 18/1400Z - 18/1459Z
DEP FACILITIES INCLUDED: (1STTIER) ZAB ZFW ZKC ZME ZHU
PREVIOUS TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 0/0/0.0
NEW TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 836/60/28.8
PROBABILITY OF EXTENSION: MEDIUM
IMPACTING CONDITION: WEATHER / THUNDERSTORMS
COMMENTS:

Any flights to DFW originating within the Albuquerque, Ft. Worth, Kansas City, Memphis, and Houston ARTCC areas are ground stopped, and the next update is at 1000C, about 10 minutes. Since the radar above shows cells to the SW of DFW that are moving SW-NE, expect that weather to "train" over DFW. Don't be surprised if the ground stop gets extended for another hour, with an update at 1100C.

Edit: They just cancelled the ground stop, but transitioned into a ground delay program with average "wheels-up" departure delays at the takeoff airport averaging 58 minutes, so it works out to about the same thing.

[Edited 2008-03-18 08:04:53]

User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Its going to be a long day. Better to know in advance...

Thanks


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

As of 1030C, they just ground stopped traffic bound for DFW (from the same ARTCCs) again, with an update time an hour from now at 1130C. Average delay is now 133 minutes, or 2:13.

(This is a perfect example of how dynamically stuff can change, with passengers caught in the middle. When the first ground stop cancelled at 1000C, undoubtedly some (many?) flights started to board their passengers in anticipation of getting airborne by their previous "wheels-up" times. Now those passengers are being told that it'll be another hour, and that's only an update time--at that time the ground stop could be extended another 30, 45, or 60 minutes, or the stop cancelled and another ground delay program implemented with a new wheels-up time issued....)


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

At 1130C, the DFW ground stop was extended until 1230C, and average delays are now 210 minutes (3:30).

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

It would be a real good idea to call the airline and see about moving your flight to a different day.

Today is a huge mess at DFW and DAL.

I realize sometimes travel plans cannot be changed - but the choice is hours and hours of delays and waits today, or staying home/ hotel and going tomorrow or the next day.

Heck, you might even get to your destination faster by moving your flight to tomorrow.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

DFW traffic now ground stopped with an update time another hour away at 1330C, and it's now applicable to all ARTCCs, not just the first tier around ZFW. Average delays are now 271 minutes (4:31). With all the weather lined-up to the S-SW and moving S-SW to N-NE, It's going to be a really long day....

ATCSCC Advisory
ATCSCC ADVZY 051 DFW/ZFW 03/18/2008 CDM GROUND STOP
MESSAGE:
CTL ELEMENT: DFW
ELEMENT TYPE: APT
ADL TIME: 1713Z
GROUND STOP PERIOD: 18/1715Z - 18/1830Z
CUMULATIVE PROGRAM PERIOD: 18/1500Z - 18/2259Z
DEP FACILITIES INCLUDED: ALL
PREVIOUS TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 8334/210/54.8
NEW TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 16750/271/110.2
PROBABILITY OF EXTENSION: HIGH
IMPACTING CONDITION: WEATHER / THUNDERSTORMS
COMMENTS:



User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

There don't appear to be that many flights in the air to DFW, and the few that are originated beyond first-tier ARTCCs to ZFW, and others that got airborne before the ground stop was extended to all ARTCCs.

Looks like they never got even close to the DFW terminal area...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1511 Enroute diversion to MSY
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS2291 Enroute diversion to SDF
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1112 Enroute diversion to ICT
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL589 Enroute diversion to TUL
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1390 Enroute diversion to ELP
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA812 Still enroute
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL578 Still enroute
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1096 Still enroute
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1343 Still enroute
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1426 Still enroute

Looks like AA just pulled the plug: http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Texas_Storms.html

Some 59 kt gusts earlier...

KDFW 181753Z 01021G28KT 2SM TSRA BR SCT012 BKN021 OVC039CB 14/12 A2961 RMK AO2 PK WND 01030/1702 SLP021 OCNL LTGICCG OHD TS CB OHD MOV E P0045 60151 T01390117 10239 20139 56013
KDFW 181700Z 01024G30KT 2SM TSRA FEW012 BKN017 OVC039CB 14/12 A2965 RMK AO2 PK WND 36030/1655 PRESRR TS CB OHD MOV E P0007
KDFW 181653Z 01022G32KT 2SM TSRA FEW012 SCT017 OVC039CB 14/12 A2962 RMK AO2 PK WND 02036/1601 SFC VIS 3 TSE14B38 SLP022 TS CB OHD MOV E P0012 T01440117
KDFW 181639Z 36025G34KT 3SM TSRA SCT015 OVC039CB 15/12 A2960 RMK AO2 PK WND 02036/1601 TSE14B38 TS CB OHD MOV E P0007
KDFW 181614Z 36026G35KT 9SM RA OVC041 16/12 A2959 RMK AO2 PK WND 02036/1601 TSE14 PRESFR TS CB MOV NE-E P0004
KDFW 181553Z 01023G33KT 4SM TSRA SCT008 BKN011 OVC041CB 16/12 A2963 RMK AO2 PK WND 02059/1530 WSHFT 1521 SLP026 TS CB NE MOV NE P0013 T01560122
KDFW 181538Z 36022G59KT 5SM TSRA SQ SCT008 BKN011 OVC041CB 18/12 A2964 RMK AO2 PK WND 02059/1530 WSHFT 1521 OCNL LTGIC OHD-NE TS CB OHD-NE MOV NE P0013
KDFW 181535Z 35026G59KT 2SM TSRA SQ BKN008 BKN017 OVC039CB 18/12 A2966 RMK AO2 PK WND 02059/1530 WSHFT 1521 SFC VIS 4 OCNL LTGIC OHD-NE TS CB OHD-NE MOV NE P0012
KDFW 181453Z 35017KT 2SM +TSRA BR BKN008 BKN022 OVC027CB 16/13 A2965 RMK AO2 TSB23 SLP034 OCNL LTGIC ALQDS TS CB OHD MOV NE P0061 60081 T01560133 53005
KDFW 181431Z 35017KT 2SM +TSRA BR BKN008 OVC018CB 16/13 A2964 RMK AO2 TSB23 OCNL LTGIC ALQDS TS CB OHD MOV NE P0032
KDFW 181423Z 35017KT 2SM R17C/4000VP6000FT TSRA BR BKN008 OVC018 16/14 A2965 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 1/2 TSB23 TS OHD MOV NE P0014
KDFW 181403Z 35017KT 2SM RA BR FEW006 OVC018 16/14 A2964 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3 P0001

KDFW 181742Z 181818 36017G27KT 3SM SHRA BR VCTS OVC015CB
TEMPO 1822 VRB35KT 1SM +TSRA BR OVC006CB
FM2200 36018KT 5SM SHRA BR VCTS BKN018CB OVC035
TEMPO 2202 2SM +TSRA BR OVC006CB
FM0200 33018KT 5SM -RA BR OVC015
FM0900 33016KT P6SM VCSH BKN040
FM1300 32020KT P6SM SCT040 SCT250

[Edited 2008-03-18 11:01:35]

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Looks like ATC is going to allow flights destined DFW to depart, but that there are going to be delays getting though the weather, in the terminal area, and getting airborne from airports within the Huston and Ft, Worth ARTCCs..

ATCSCC Advisory
ATCSCC ADVZY 064 DFW/ZFW 03/18/2008 CDM GROUND DELAY PROGRAM CNX
MESSAGE:
CTL ELEMENT: DFW
ELEMENT TYPE: APT
ADL TIME: 1954Z
GDP CNX PERIOD: 18/1954Z - 19/1855Z
DISREGARD EDCTS FOR DEST DFW
COMMENTS: CUSTOMERS EXPECT AIRBORNE HOLDING UP TO 45 MINUTES AND
TACTICAL DEVIATIONS FOR THE NEXT 3 HOURS. CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO
EXPECT
ESP DELAYS UP TO 60 MINUTESFOR DEPTS FROM ZFW/ZHU FOR THE NEXT 3
HOURS. GROUND STOP AND GDP FOR DFW CANCELLED.

The delays continue to be exacerbated by the fact that cells are "train echoing" ("Training" for short) in-trail of one another, keeping storms in the airport area for a longer period of time than normal.



User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3452 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):
Looks like AA just pulled the plug

I kind of thought DFW might be a mess when I saw this scene when arriving at AUS around 12:30 pm this afternoon.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff158/LoneStarMike/Airports/AADiversions031808.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff158/LoneStarMike/Airports/AADiversions031808B.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff158/LoneStarMike/Airports/AADiversions031808C.jpg

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3415 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11):
I kind of thought DFW might be a mess when I saw this scene when arriving at AUS around 12:30 pm this afternoon.

The "training" aspect is exactly the scenario that transpired back on Dec. 29th, 2006, when DFW got whacked and all those folks were stuck at AUS (and other places).

I have to go crosstown to pick-up a computer at the shop, and I don't know whether to take my car, or my bass boat...  Wink


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Korean Air 772 at OKC right now

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAL31

Too bad I'm out of town, would've loved to catch it.

-Matt



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

WN had a diversion from DAL to DFW?

User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3367 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 14):
WN had a diversion from DAL to DFW?

My understanding was those pics were at AUS



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

NBC 5 News said AA has cancelled 1000+ flights today. How many flights at WN have been cancelled OPNLguy?


"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3272 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11):
I kind of thought DFW might be a mess when I saw this scene when arriving at AUS around 12:30 pm this afternoon.

I counted 5 AA MD-80's at MAF when I passed by there at 1545 CDT this afternoon, and AA doesn't serve MAF with MD-80's. This is not an unusual thing though when the wx gets bad at DFW.


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

The highlight of the day was a Platinum saying "I just spoke to my husband and he said there's no weather issues in Dallas.."

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11555 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3140 times:



Quoting AIR757200 (Reply 18):
The highlight of the day was a Platinum saying "I just spoke to my husband and he said there's no weather issues in Dallas.."

Ah yes, of course, we can file that away with:

"Do you know how important I am?"

"Are you going to pay me for the meeting I'm missing?"

"What kind of crappy planes are you flying that can't handle some rain?"

"If you had better pilots, you could fly through the hurricane. It's just wind."


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3127 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 16):
NBC 5 News said AA has cancelled 1000 flights today. How many flights at WN have been cancelled OPNLguy?

I had the great fortune to be off, but I'd guess about 25-30 or so. With the loads during Spring Break week, it's kind of heard to cancel, and you pretty much have to run them late, once the weather has cleared off....


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Here's the rainfall amounts... Color scale is on the left. We had quite a bit of water....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/OPNLguy/ScreenShot025.jpg


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3103 times:



Quoting AIR757200 (Reply 18):
The highlight of the day was a Platinum saying "I just spoke to my husband and he said there's no weather issues in Dallas.."

My favorite is the variation of this that goes "I just spoke with my wife/husband at home and they said there wasn't any fog..."

Great! If we could shoot an ILS to your driveway, we'd be launching....  Wink


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

So, does this mean the RDU-LGW flight will do RDU-LGW-RDU now and omit the LGW-DFW-LGW portion?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineBooboo1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Well, we're still in JAN after our AA flight #1739 originating from DCA was diverted from DFW at around 12:00. After waiting 7 hrs for the weather to pass we just went mechanical. So flight #1749 from MCO is stopping to pick us up. That's a first for me. Have to say the AA folks were great. They got us off the plane ASAP and kept the info flowing. We're currently scheduled to get in at 23:29. 14+ hrs and we're not even close to Japan.

25 Commavia : Possible, although they may well swap out the RDU and DFW aircraft at LGW, as both 50 and 78 DFW-LGW got out tonight, albeit 23 and 139 minutes late,
26 B757capt : Thank god you guys are able to use AUS, I saw frontier turning back to DEN. At least you can drive to DFW from AUS. Not a good night to be at Airport
27 OPNLguy : Take a gander at AAL1343 back in reply #9...
28 LV : What is tomorrow looking like? Does it look like a majority of AA's ops will be on schedule Wednesday?
29 Commavia : Well, the weather in Texas should be clear tomorrow. But as for AA's operations - no way - it is going to take 1-2 days for the operation to fully re
30 US330 : As someone who lives in the area, and has heard reports of what was going on at DFW, I can say that AA is definitely not to blame this time...faa peop
31 AIR757200 : Only a random few morning flights have been cancelled for tomorrow. A lot of the spoke stations already have the aircraft needed for tomorrow morning.
32 Tom in NO : I noted roughly ten AA birds on the ground at MSY at about 1400 CDT...also included were an AC E175 C-FYGG at gate C6. Did get a number of pics, of wh
33 Commavia : I'm sure they'll get blamed anyway, though. Airlines always do. They can't win. People bitch and complain when airlines don't cancel flights, and ins
34 LV : Good to know, that eases my mind about some people I know traveling on AA in the morning.
35 Tcfc424 : When I walked into AUS at 1300, I was glad I didn't work for AA...then we got hit. Our planes were all weird arriving, then one had to divert to IAH b
36 Post contains links OPNLguy : Fair use excerpt from http://aviation.beloblog.com/ Hard to argue with AA's results... Well done... Here's a glance at what American did differently t
37 Bicoastal : I doubt your friends are going to enjoy traveling AA today. Airports will be packed with delayed/displaced passengers. They'll need patience. Though
38 B757capt : Well thats one policy at WN that I always thought was amazing. If you had BDL-MDW-OMA and couldn't get into MDW you'd go direct OMA. OMA is a hell of
39 Post contains links and images Tom in NO : Here they are.....traffic diverted to MSY yesterday: Tom at MSY
40 Post contains images COPA737DFW : I spent 4 hours trying to get to BDL yesterday, we had to wait next to the runway the whole time. They ended up playing the whole movie and some tv sh
41 AABB777 : I believe the final number of cancellations yesterday (3/18) for AA came to 725 & 121 air interrupts. Correct me if I'm wrong. BTW, what flights did m
42 Post contains images OPNLguy : I would indeed be amazing, since we have no such policy. Sometimes we do go over the destination to the aircraft's next stop, but it's a function of
43 Glbltrvlr : Happened to me once. Was flying from LAX to ABQ, intending to get off in ABQ. Weather in the ABQ area had us go to the next stop in Lubbock or somepl
44 Chris133 : WN had a total of 40 RT cancellations on Tuesday. Full operations resumed at about 1730c
45 OPNLguy : Sometimes it also works out better for the passengers, or at least some of them. As just one example, most of our CRP-HOU and HRL-HOU flights continu
46 ChicagoFlyer : On a side note, UA flew a Ted A320 (156 seats) instead of mainline A319 (120 seats) between DEN and DFW Tuesday night/Wed morning. I am sure they were
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