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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16798 times:

I guess we can say good bye to those older 737's now!

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...sNews/idUKN1815957020080318?rpc=44

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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16791 times:

Probably 733s and 735s are due for C/D checks

User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 16655 times:

Does this mean more CR7's or will they be shedding frequency or some routes? As much as the RJ's get a beating on this board, I prefer the CR7's to UA's 737s, I just don't like how mesa seem unable to manage their crew staffing, as my last few flights have all had crews needing to be changed due to too many hours.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16250 times:

15 to 20 aircraft is a lot. United already dumped many during bankruptcy. United Express likely will pick up many routes. I wonder if UA mainline is going to eliminate routes or reduce frequencies? This bodes well for other airlines...Virgin America, Southwest, Frontier and JetBlue....in historically strong UA markets. UA is giving up the legacy tradition of fighting for market share and reducing to a profitable...we hope....size.

[Edited 2008-03-18 09:38:57]

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6516 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16231 times:

Since the original thread got deleted...I'll re post.

MSY-IAD/ORD goes from triple daily 737's (currently) to triple daily E70's starting the first week in June.

So long 737's....enjoy retirement.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16196 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 3):
20 to 30 aircraft is a lot.

The article said 15-20 where are you getting 20-30 aircraft from?



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16149 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 5):
The article said 15-20 where are you getting 20-30 aircraft from?

Oops. Just corrected it. Thanks.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16109 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 3):
15 to 20 aircraft is a lot.

They've been quoted as saying they've identified 100 planes they could ground if needed.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16055 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 6):
Oops. Just corrected it. Thanks.

No worries, I just wasn't sure if there was something on the other thread that was deleted before I got a chance to read it.

DL just announced a cut in domestic flying as well I wonder how long it will be before AA and NW start parking MDs and DC9s?

On the good side if this doesn't lead to layoffs this might give a little more flexibility when it comes to crew scheduling and prevent a repeat of the end of December.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15973 times:

More information although except for the additional fuel hedging none of its really new.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080318/ual_outlook.html?.v=1



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15903 times:



Quoting A330323X (Reply 7):
They've been quoted as saying they've identified 100 planes they could ground if needed.

That, I hope is really worst case scenario. All those aircraft are unencumbered.

I wonder if we are going to see AA make an similar announcement, ditching some of those Mad Dogs in the desert?


User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15804 times:

let the guessing game of what flights/cities to be cut begin!

here's a question...if the CRJs are such fuel hogs and carry too few people, why would they cxl 737 flights and sub with CRJs ? I'm not good with fuel burn per pax so I may be asking a very stupid question here.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15791 times:



Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 11):
here's a question...if the CRJs are such fuel hogs and carry too few people, why would they cxl 737 flights and sub with CRJs ? I'm not good with fuel burn per pax so I may be asking a very stupid question here.

1. are they going to sub with CRJs?
2. United is stupid


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9264 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15560 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 10):

I wonder if we are going to see AA make an similar announcement, ditching some of those Mad Dogs in the desert?

They kind-of did. That is what all the 738s they have on order is for.



yep.
User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15486 times:

DL to drop 10-15 mainline and 20-25 rj's. Might hit 100 planes across all the majors. That should drive price.

User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15405 times:

With the UA 735s we can see if the "rumor" is true and they will show up at UA partner Aloha. I think not, but that was a common rumor when UA invested in AQ.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15290 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
Probably 733s and 735s are due for C/D checks

The aircraft are all 737-500. I can't wait to have them go, I love the 737 but man these -500's are CRAP.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15128 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 16):
The aircraft are all 737-500. I can't wait to have them go, I love the 737 but man these -500's are CRAP.

A big part of the reason I think AQ won't be taking these on....Some of AQ's 732s are probably newer, plus they are better suited to the ultra-short interisland flights.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineDakota123 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15105 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 16):
The aircraft are all 737-500. I can't wait to have them go, I love the 737 but man these -500's are CRAP.

I agree, worn out (interiors, can't say about mechanical) and ready for pasture. Plus, sure throws a monkey-wrench into things when UA has to substitute a -500 for a -300.

Mike


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15020 times:

DL to drop 10-15 mainline and 20-25 rj's. Might hit 100 planes across all the majors. That should drive price.

User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14743 times:



Quoting Dakota123 (Reply 18):
I agree, worn out (interiors, can't say about mechanical) and ready for pasture. Plus, sure throws a monkey-wrench into things when UA has to substitute a -500 for a -300.

Oh man couldn't agree more! To go from 8F/120Y to 8F/96Y stinks!



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14586 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 16):
The aircraft are all 737-500. I can't wait to have them go, I love the 737 but man these -500's are CRAP.

They have 28 735s so if they got rid of 20 of them, why not all 28!

Interesting to note that 17 of them have been painted in the new livery (61%) which is more than any other United type...


User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14315 times:



Quoting Scorpy (Reply 2):
my last few flights have all had crews needing to be changed

I know what you meant, but the phrase they "needed to be changed" had me picturing the crew all wearing diapers!  laughing 


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13504 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 16):
The aircraft are all 737-500. I can't wait to have them go, I love the 737 but man these -500's are CRAP.

I've flown on both before. Is there really an interior difference between the 300 and 500 because I didn't notice.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 12987 times:



Quoting FL787 (Reply 23):
I've flown on both before. Is there really an interior difference between the 300 and 500 because I didn't notice.

The only major difference is the number of seats in coach (and of course the former Shuttle by United 300s/500s have a smaller galley and one less lav) they both have the old style (without headrest) seats in coach and the standard domestic F seats that you see across the fleet. As far as I know none of the 737s have the updated interior colors and of course none have video IFE just audio.



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25 FlyingJHawk : What impact will this have on UA serving ICT? Typically, these are always served with 737-500 a/c and the few times I have flown the planes have been
26 N174UA : UA did the same with the DC-10s and 747s during the late '70s as well. Back then, they owned all of their aircraft, and thus had no obligations to fl
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW has already planned to park 35 DC-9-30's this year. They were supposed to be parked mostly after the summer, but now it is likely this plan will b
28 Flybynight : While I can't say I'm a big fan of UA's 737's (I believe they were all built from 1985 - approx 1991), I believe the interiors are more comfortable (w
29 A380US : how does it go from 30 to 40 all the way to 100
30 DC8FanJet : The 737-500's are owned, and can be parked either temporary or permanently, depends on fuel cost. Not that much difference between CRJ-700's and the 9
31 Ayubogg : It sounds like UA is down-sizing many routes from 737's to RJ's but here in EUG it's different. Starting March 30th, all UA flights to and from SFO he
32 B757capt : I believe the 8 were already announced to be returned to leasers last quarter. They should leave the fleet by summer.
33 TrijetsRMissed : Both already have, although percentage wise, the retired MD-80's in AA's fleet is marginal. Either 25 year old airframes or second hand models. Plus,
34 MrBrightSide : It will be interesting to see will UA go ahead and start ordering fuel-efficient planes such as A380 (for those 30 B744 birds) and B787 or A350 as rep
35 Gigneil : I love when 15 year olds reply. I'd love it if they got banned. The E70 is a vastly superior product, and a cheaper aircraft to fly. I am looking for
36 BAW716 : The dominos are starting to fall... UA is in a vulnerable position right now...and this is just the beginning of what I fear will be a radical downsiz
37 Gigneil : United has one of the best cash and debt positions in the industry. Delta has one of the worst. NS
38 Post contains images N174UA : Industry consolidation is going to happen this year, via merger or cost of fuel. With the DL/NW deal all but dead, and DL offering about half of its
39 ADent : I wonder what will happen with CLE and UA. CLE-ORD has 3x737-500 and 2xCRJs listed for July. Will they pull aircraft from somewhere else or basically
40 Lufthansa : You mean like Qantas using Jetstar to take over domestic routes and then making those same higher cost staff start flying to Hong Kong instead of dom
41 FUN2FLY : Gone are the days of DC-10's. Now, we get an occasional 752. Imagine all RJ's at some point, similar to CO, AA.
42 Post contains links Warreng24 : The 735's in UA's fleet are actually newer than the 733's. Deliveries of the 735's started in 1990 and ended in 1992. Deliveries of 733's started in
43 LTBEWR : I suspect that a number of fuel inefficient a/c, much like after 9/11 will be parked or retired, due to declining demand by all airlines in the USA an
44 FlyBoy84 : STL only has 1 mainline from ORD and NONE going in to ORD as it is! That one mainline is currently a 733 (sometimes A319), but is many times 735! I'd
45 AJMIA : I don't think AA will be parking any more planes any time soon. We are still plane constrained from dumping the ex TW 757s last year. I think we will
46 Lufthansa : Exactly! RJ's belong in markets that simply can't support 737s, MD80s or 32S. Not markets that could support several mainline narrowbody flights per
47 777fan : I couldn't agree more. The 733s are just as tired and I cringe with concern while they roll on takeoff or get bounced around in turbulence. Dunno, bu
48 MSYtristar : Just like all airplanes you mean?
49 Whappeh : Is it safe to assume that this will also come with layoffs of a roughly equivalent amount of necessary personnel?
50 Tommy767 : I was in BWI in the fall and I'm pretty sure UA was operating 752s to DEN departing in the afternoon. I guess that has changed since...
51 WorldTraveler : which just means that UA has more money to burn not that it is in any better position to deal with high costs. In fact, UA's costs are now the highes
52 Post contains images Planespotting : Would much rather have a 737 than any of the CRJs. Ha - that'd be nice if there were any planes available in the short term ... I don't know of any d
53 N174UA : It sounds like you're agreeing with me, but wasn't 100% sure if it was just sarcasm? In my view, it comes down to willingness to pay. Domestic custom
54 Gigneil : Do you feel that way about the E70? I love that little plane. NS
55 Post contains images Lightsaber : 100 planes won't be enough. This recession is due to debt fatigue. We'll get through it, but we'll see more than 100 US airline planes grounded. They
56 AIR757200 : [Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 10): I wonder if we are going to see AA make an similar announcement, ditching some of those Mad Dogs in the desert?[/quote]
57 Post contains links United1 : Actually UA is projecting at 9-10% increase in RASM this quarter WT. http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080320/ual_corp_outlook.html?.v=1
58 AADC10 : I am not so sure that the 500s will be the ones to go. Yes they are the least efficient planes in the mainline fleet, but they are newer than most of
59 Glareskin : With the average age of United crews (same goes for all big US airlines) I wouldn't be surprise if they are wearing diapers. Afer all, urinary incont
60 UAPremierGuy : It has been confirmed that the 737-500's (the ex-Shuttle ones) are going to be the ones to go. I listened to the recent JPMorganChase Conference call
61 Davidlc3 : There was a lot of chat-traffic a while ago about the elimination of Ted...any word on that? Also - has anyone started looking at schedules to see wha
62 TrijetsRMissed : One advantage AA has with the MD-80 fleet is they are all paid for, much like NW and the DC-9's. No monthly lease payments. Secondly, the 737 classic
63 United1 : Actually out of the 300 or so MD-80s that were operated at the end of the year 126 of them were owned the rest are leased .
64 Gigneil : That's what they're for. NS
65 Buddys747 : I wonder what will happen to MDT-ORD. The late afternoon flight is a 735 consistently but the morning flight is off and on between a 733 or 735. They
66 TrijetsRMissed : Can you give a source? I've been told that the original AA MD-80's are owned, which is about 250. Not exactly. The 735 was developed as the longer ra
67 AirportPlan : The CRJ 700 and E70 have exactly the same seat pitch as the 737-500.
68 LACA773 : What will UA do on their high yielding LAX-SFO-LAX shuttle? A good portion of those flights are flown with the 733/735s. Will the replace them with 31
69 Post contains images UA_727 : I'm *very* surprised to hear that, given that the ex-Shuttle a/c have 110 seats, while the "normal" -500s only have 104... I guess the six seats are
70 Buddys747 : They don't have the head room or leg room. I can walk down the aisle without hitting my head on the roof in a 737.
71 Flybynight : The CRJ 700 and E70 have exactly the same seat pitch as the 737-500. Less legroom which is a big deal to tall guys like myself. I also hate it when I
72 AirportPlan : You may not believe it but it is a FACT that the CRJ 700 and E70 have exactly the same seat pitch as the 737-500. 31" in Economy and 34" in Economy P
73 Flybynight : That is correct, but I believe the seats are more narrow and overall room is less. I don't mind these jets for shorter routes, but I fly a lot from S
74 United1 : The seats are 1.25" wider on the E70 then the 737 and the CJ7 and 737 have the same width seats. You are right however that the 737 just feels a bit
75 777fan : No, IMO, the P.O.S. UA 737s feel as if they're about to break apart. It takes the I'd much rather ride out bumps in an A319; the difference in ride c
76 Post contains links MasseyBrown : http://edgar.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/...1/000000451508000014/ar022010k.htm Go to item 2, about 1/5th of the way through the document. 126 owned; 67 on
77 TrijetsRMissed : Thank you very much, this is a great read. I suppose my informant grouped the owned aircraft with the capital leases. In any event, if AA choose to d
78 LACA773 : I'm hoping that's what they'll do. LAX-SFO is one of UA baby's and I just can't see them flying CRJ/CR7s on that routing. I know I'm not the only one
79 UAPremierGuy : Thanks for the kind words! I know that I am certainly not alone in this regard...see any number of threads over on Flyertalk concerning this subject
80 Flybynight : Aren't actually some UA's 752's older than at least the 735's? My pie in the sky dream for UA's future fleet: 787's to replace the 763's and 752's Mor
81 Legacytravel : Any idea of the dates that these birds will be put in the desert? I am scheduled to fly a 735 in July from YYC to DEN. Regards, Mark
82 777DEN : reports are, planes will start being parked _after_ the summer flying season
83 Legacytravel : Thanks 777DEN at least I can get one trip on the old gal. Regards, Mark in MKE
84 Klkla : What's the difference between a capital lease and an operating lease?
85 Post contains links Laxintl : Operating versus Capital Leases; http://www.cr-ny.com/Operating_vs_Capital_Lease.html
86 Scorpy : " target=_blank>http://www.cr-ny.com/Operating_vs_Ca....html thanks... this is a nice definition in easy to understand terms
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