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Rumour: Is It The End Of Bmibaby?  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12109 times:

A rumour on PPRUNE suggests that East Midlands based Bmibaby is either about to go bust or is about to be closed down by bmi, as it's no longer making money; first casualty of high fuel costs (not to mention high air taxes in the UK); increased competition from FR and EZY at its major bases isn't helping either and the 735 and 733 must be quite uneconomical compared to the 738s and 319s operated by the competition.

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User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12079 times:

lol what a load of rubbish!!

User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11945 times:

Whether this is true or not, the future really doesn't look too bright for them anyway. If FR and EZY begin to feel the pinch this year, bmibaby will surely struggle even more. If their are losing money, BD should just let them go. If they don't, FR will force them into it eventually.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11862 times:

I would be shocked if bmi (and that includes LH and SAS) would let baby get in such a state that a short notice closure would be needed


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User currently offlineBabyblueBHX From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11839 times:

Somebody better tell WW and BD that WW is no more because their website is still accepting bookings as far at the summer 08 timetable will allow.

No press release from BD or WW management = another rumour.

They have just announced new routes from MAN and one from CWL and I have herd this year has seen record bookings so far so I am finding it very hard to believe.

[Edited 2008-03-18 14:57:19]


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11696 times:

Doubt this is true!

But in all honesty, if you think about this it does have some substance...

With BMI concerntrating their efforts of Mid/Long Haul destinations, BMI Baby is a bit of distraction and a thorn in the side of the airline.

Everyone says they are not making money, but none of us really know this as the airline does not publish WW's results seperately. If the airline is continuing to make money, then they should continue, but with the current pressures on the markets I expect these profits are minimal.

If the airline was to start making a loss, they should just shut it down or sell any assets to another LCC. They have an aging fleet, that is only going to get more expensive to run and maintain and I highly doubt BMI are up for buying a new fleet of aircrafts anytime soon.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11504 times:

Ah right. And BMI just bought Globespan. Honestly, the amount of rubbish that people make up about BMI and co. is rediculous.

User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11418 times:



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 6):
Ah right. And BMI just bought Globespan. Honestly, the amount of rubbish that people make up about BMI and co. is rediculous.

I've no idea if this is rubbish or not but I've just heard via my next door neighbors uncles cousins daughter who's boyfriends Dad is a pilot for BMI that they are definitely going to be possibly opening a new base at Southend with a new brand called BmiTeen to fly to JFK in an all Y+ configuration using damp leased 767 from UA...it could just be a rumor though....


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11369 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 7):
I've no idea if this is rubbish or not but I've just heard via my next door neighbors uncles cousins daughter who's boyfriends Dad is a pilot for BMI that they are definitely going to be possibly opening a new base at Southend with a new brand called BmiTeen to fly to JFK in an all Y+ configuration using damp leased 767 from UA...it could just be a rumor though....

No - I head they were going to use the Saha Air 707s, and it was daily from Stornoway to JFK, not Southend.  Smile


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 11310 times:



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 8):
No - I head they were going to use the Saha Air 707s, and it was daily from Stornoway to JFK, not Southend. Smile

ahh....that could have been it  Smile


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 11166 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 7):
I've no idea if this is rubbish or not but I've just heard via my next door neighbors uncles cousins daughter who's boyfriends Dad is a pilot for BMI that they are definitely going to be possibly opening a new base at Southend with a new brand called BmiTeen to fly to JFK in an all Y+ configuration using damp leased 767 from UA...it could just be a rumor though....

Is this some sort of joke...

Southend is never going to be a transatlantic hub for any airline! I am now beginning to think someone on here is very bored and busy making up a load of sh*t about BMI and creating the first rumour that comes off their head!


User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 11030 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10):
Is this some sort of joke...

Lighten up Gilesdavies, of course its a joke, a good one too I thought, but then again, this is BMI we are talking about  Smile


User currently offlineBigvince76 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 10744 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10):

Is this some sort of joke...

That you have to ask says a lot about how BD are perceived around here!


User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 10742 times:



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 8):
No - I head they were going to use the Saha Air 707s, and it was daily from Stornoway to JFK, not Southend.

I heard they were going to use NW DC9's for this service.

In all seriousness, I don't see a sudden shutdown for WW. Even though the price of oil has shot up in USD, I think it's been pretty stable in GBP, so I don't see what would cause BMI to take such drastic action. I do think that the sale of WW to another company, who would replace the 733/735 fleet with newer versions of their fleet, could be a good longer term strategic move for both BMI and the acquiring company. Flybe, Ryanair, and Easyjet come to mind as potential purchasers.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

I'd love to see EI buy WW, and update its fleet with 320's like EI's. Change around some of the their routes like BGY ex BHX to MXP or LIN where EI already flies to ex DUB, and join some of the dots like DUB-CWL, and would also eliminate competition ex ORK and give them 4 more UK routes ex BFS.! It would certainly give EI a foothole onto the UK market, as well as 4 new bases, one being BHX which was a contender for the new base but BFS won in the end. Wasnt EI interested in making a bid for BD if Openskies didnt happen, so it could happen.....just my thoughts!!!!

User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 10298 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 10):
Is this some sort of joke...

 rotfl ... someones sense of humour appears to be on strike today!



That'll teach you
User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

So to shut the ema base very doutful, baby' born here and head office is located on site . lets just shut down Heathrow why were at it lol, the dedecated staff employed directly with bmi/baby at ema all go to bmi mainline then !!

all it is as always is a rumour no true in it , if their was think the Staff would have been told before it being published on the internet - forward bookings the next few months are doing very well,



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineEMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 9865 times:

I hope they don't go bust because I am flying EMA-EDI-EMA return next month with my family. They will be gutted!

On another note, I have heard that even though I have pre-booked my seats, BMIbaby is sometimes prone to not giving you what you have ordered and then not giving you a refund. Anyone got any ideas on this? Is probably just another rumour going around about them!


User currently offlineRobkemp From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 9750 times:

Rumour has it that PPRUNE WEBSITE is being closed due to all the rubbish which is coming out of it. I doubt if BMI would close Baby down anyway.

User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 9750 times:

There is so much crap going around about BD/WW/GSM at the moment, it's unreal. I wish people wouldn't speculate until official press releases have been released. Rumours like this can affect people who work with the mentioned airlines.


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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 8651 times:



Quoting Robkemp (Reply 18):
Rumour has it that PPRUNE WEBSITE is being closed due to all the rubbish which is coming out of it. I doubt if BMI would close Baby down anyway.

Theres a darn site more rubbish posted on here than on PPrune, mostly by 16 year old know-alls, although it has become a bit boring over there.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 8618 times:



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 20):
Theres a darn site more rubbish posted on here than on PPrune, mostly by 16 year old know-alls, although it has become a bit boring over there.

Yeah too right! You gotta love these 18 year old little rich boys, who's mammy and daddy are paying for them to do flight training. Who have never worked a day in their life. Yet proclaim that they know it all, and love to share their wisdom with all of us trashy modular students.


User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 8496 times:



Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 13):

In all seriousness, I don't see a sudden shutdown for WW. Even though the price of oil has shot up in USD, I think it's been pretty stable in GBP

Oil is sold per barrel in USD. Generally, no one country is better of than another. There are exceptions (Venezuela), but the world's major powers pay about the same. The bidding is so active that a tanker ship's contents may be sold several times before reaching final destination.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

I dont think that WW will be cloased down as such. Perhaps it might be merged into mainline or sold off, but I don' see it being shut down. WW is relatively well known in the areas it offers service in, even if its not always for the lowest fares!

Personally, I would like to see WW back in mainline and the MAN base used for connecting long and short haul networks, but that is just my own opinion. I've often wondered if the cost base at WW is really much lower than that at BD?

Right now the future for the whole bmi group is a bit up in the air, and BD have stated their primary interest is in purchases rather than sales. I would not bank on WW being around in its current from in the medium term, but I don't think it will "go bust" either, rather merged into another carrier, most likely still under the BD umbrella. Interestingly BD have just gotten rid of the last bits of the failed bmibaby at LHR experiment. BD's lowest fares are no longer "tiny", they are now branded as "economy saver". What this means, if anything, for WW is debatable.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

According their website, they still operate the following from LHR;


Aberdeen
Amsterdam
Belfast
Brussels
Dublin
Durham
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Hanover
Inverness
Jersey
Leeds
Lyons
Naples
Nice
Palma
Venice


25 Post contains links Djmatthews : Ray Webster (Formally of easyJet) has gone to work for bmibaby in a consultancy capacity. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...xml=/money/2008/01/21
26 Bennett123 : The problem here is lack of hard facts. Firstly, we have no confirmation of the profitability or otherwise of the components of BMI. Secondly, we have
27 Post contains images IADCA : No way. NW is never going to retire those 9s. I've heard the newest BMI service is in fact BMIgeezer, which will fly nighttime flights with Lancaster
28 KennyK : Might a merger/takeover of BMI Baby by Jet2 be a good idea, very similar fleets i.e. 733 and both operate in the Midlands/North of England mainly?
29 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://www.dartgroup.co.uk/pdf/ifrs_announcement_short.pdf http://www.jet2.com/questions/about-us.aspx Does Jet2 have deep enough pockets.
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