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AirTran To End MSP/Chicago Midway (and More)...  
User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

Chicago - Charlotte ends May.
Chicago - Minneapolis ends in June.

Full Article here: http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2008/03/airtran-dca.html

I'm going to miss hopping on the 717 for my quick flights over to Midway.
I'm sorry to hear FL is ending service on this route.

MSP no longer has a low-cost option into Chicago.  Sad

United, American, and NWA all fly into ORD, w/ NWA flying some flights into MDW. Will we see fares go up? I assume we'll no longer see the $39, $49 specials between MSP and CHI area like AirTran was always announcing.

Has Sun Country ever flown MSP-Chicago MDW (or ORD)?
Could we see them enter the CHI market from MSP?
Didn't ATA used to fly the MSP-MDW routes before AirTran came in?


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7421 times:



Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):
United, American, and NWA all fly into ORD, w/ NWA flying some flights into MDW. Will we see fares go up? I assume we'll no longer see the $39, $49 specials between MSP and CHI area like AirTran was always announcing.

The legacies will be dancing in the street with this one. This was one of the last remaining odd-ball routes for FL, but they proved to be a thorn in the side in regards to pricing levels in this market. There will still be plenty of competition and fares won't go sky-high, but they will likely remain at a more sustainable level.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7421 times:



Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):
Didn't ATA used to fly the MSP-MDW routes before AirTran came in?

Yes. Same with CLT-MDW



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7395 times:



Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):

First of all dang it, FL was the only carrier flying Chicago-MSP for a low fare (and NW probably has some low fares). Well, at least we'll still have FL on other routes. Yes ATA did used to fly MDW-MSP using the 738. I don't think SY has ever flown MSP-ORD or MDW and I'm not sure SY will start this service any time soon unfortunately.  Sad



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22931 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7364 times:



Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):
Didn't ATA used to fly the MSP-MDW routes before AirTran came in?

TZ was a victim not of FL but of the fact that it didn't have an appropriately sized aircraft for MSP-MDW. They needed to offer frequency to compete and simply could not do that with a 175 seat aircraft. One might make the same argument for several other TZ cities, most notably PIT and CLT.

Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):
I'm sorry to hear FL is ending service on this route.

I'm shocked it took this long. The route was never a very good performer, and FL's removal of some of the few connecting opportunities (e.g. BOS) just made it worse.

Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):
MSP no longer has a low-cost option into Chicago.

Advance purchase fares on MSP-Chicago have never been and will not become unreasonable. With the frequency that UA, AA, and NW all offer, they can afford to sell some seats at bargain-basement prices (for those seats would otherwise go empty).



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User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

I remember reading a while back that the MDW-BOS routes were being cut by AirTran.
AirTran.com still shows Boston as a nonstop option from Chicago and the site allowed me to book flights on this route at the end of May 2008.

Did BOS get cut from MDW and then added again or has the cut not taken place yet?

Maybe WN will add MSP to it's route-map one of these days (or not)...

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
I'm shocked it took this long. The route was never a very good performer, and FL's removal of some of the few connecting opportunities (e.g. BOS) just made it worse.




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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

I am not surprised about MDW-CLT, it never seemed to make sense. But I thought MDW-MSP was doing well.

What FL desperately needs is more gates in ATL.... FL doesnt seem to do very well in markets that dont involve either ATL or Florida.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22931 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7288 times:



Quoting Jerion (Reply 5):
I remember reading a while back that the MDW-BOS routes were being cut by AirTran.

It ended in November, allegedly permanently. Perhaps they've changed their mind?



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User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7275 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
I am not surprised about MDW-CLT, it never seemed to make sense. But I thought MDW-MSP was doing well.

So did I...
Of course, I fly the route on weekends (Friday/Saturday or Sunday) and the flights were always FULL.



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User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7262 times:
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Watch Northwest jump on this news and start flleecing MDW to MSP passengers once again with fares that will surely at least double out of MDW ....Help us SWA and please fly into the Humphrey Terminal!!!

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7157 times:



Quoting N471WN (Reply 9):
Watch Northwest jump on this news and start flleecing MDW to MSP passengers once again with fares that will surely at least double out of MDW

Passengers get the service they deserve. It's the same story as always: passengers clamor for "LCC" service, they get it, the legacy carrier matches fares, they fly the legacy carrier because of their mileage, the LCC leaves the market, fares go back up, and they clamor for an LCC again, and repeat.



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

Actually, back in the late 90's IIRC, SY did fly briefly on ORD-MSP using a gate in Terminal 5. It was fairly short-running, but I know I flew it once to fly home for Christmas.

Anyway, sad to see the MSP run come to an end.

-Mike



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7122 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
What FL desperately needs is more gates in ATL.... FL doesnt seem to do very well in markets that dont involve either ATL or Florida.

When I was in ATL a few weeks ago, I noticed DL using airport buses at the E concourse. Why can't FL do this?



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User currently offlineKdmtrp From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7083 times:



Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):

MSP no longer has a low-cost option into Chicago. Sad

United, American, and NWA all fly into ORD, w/ NWA flying some flights into MDW. Will we see fares go up? I assume we'll no longer see the $39, $49 specials between MSP and CHI area like AirTran was always announcing.

Those $15 Megabus fares to Chicago are awfully enticing now...


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6988 times:

I fly a lot between MSP and DTW.

In the past, it was usually around $200-$250 round trip if I changed planes at ORD or MDW, even during peak periods, vs $350+ nonstop, because NW, UA, and AA kept fares so low in CHI-DTW/MSP to match WN CHI-DTW and AirTran CHI-MSP.

Now that AirTran is gone, the days of cheap connections are probably gone too  hissyfit 



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User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6917 times:



Quoting Jerion (Reply 8):
flights were always FULL.

As always, full doesn't always mean profitable.


User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Don't be surprised to see a lot more of this with the raising fuel costs. Airlines only have one true way to offset this expense and that's raising fares.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6832 times:



Quoting Jerion (Thread starter):
MSP no longer has a low-cost option into Chicago.

Even before FL started this route you could often find flights MSP-ORD or MSP-MDW for $99 RT.



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6811 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 3):
I don't think SY has ever flown MSP-ORD or MDW and I'm not sure SY will start this service any time soon unfortunately.



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 11):
Actually, back in the late 90's IIRC, SY did fly briefly on ORD-MSP using a gate in Terminal 5. It was fairly short-running, but I know I flew it once to fly home for Christmas.

Yeah they did for pretty long time I think I was on it in 2000.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
But I thought MDW-MSP was doing well.

Loads did alright but the yields were just crap and 110 dollar oil doesn't help either. I'm goin miss it though I've used it probably 8 times in past year.  Sad



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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6801 times:

It's interesting to see here and in other threads all the posters complaining about rising air fares. Ironically, many of them were saying the airlines should be raising fares to account for the increased cost of fuel in order to be profitable. It looks like now that they are, these passengers will be constantly complaining about it. I suppose it was a fun slogan to use until airlines actually...raised their fares.

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3908 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6623 times:

Don't you guys get it? FARES ARE ALREADY TOO LOW! IF an airline can't charge to cover its costs, it shouldn't be flying that route. So finally, as more and more unrealistic routes flown by airlines keeping fares artificially low go away, maybe the industry can get back on track.


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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6237 times:



Quoting Jerion (Reply 5):
Did BOS get cut from MDW and then added again or has the cut not taken place yet?

It looks like FL needs these planes for AUS. Sad to see MDW pulled back so much but, Glad to see the airfare climbing again. No more 19 dollar sales.

Wonder if NW will switch back to all mainline?



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6177 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 21):
It looks like FL needs these planes for AUS.

is FL announcing AUS? I thought it was SAT?


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Advance purchase fares on MSP-Chicago have never been and will not become unreasonable. With the frequency that UA, AA, and NW all offer, they can afford to sell some seats at bargain-basement prices (for those seats would otherwise go empty).

That's only true provided that the tickets are booked well in advance (14+ or 21+ days), the itinerary is round-trip and a Saturday-night stay is involved.

How much will the fares will be for either a one-way, a non-Saturday-night stay round-trip or same-day-return; especially when it's booked at the last minute?

In my experience when it's only legacy carriers competing with each other ONLY for a non-stop route (such competition only exists because the above-mentioned 3 carriers have hubs in one of the involved cities); the above-mentioned fares can get VERY EXPENSIVE.

As an example for things to come for MSP-CHI, price a PHL-BOS itinerary on either DL or US and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Edited 2008-03-19 06:59:55]


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6112 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 21):
Wonder if NW will switch back to all mainline?

Its already been schedule for a couple months to go back to all mainline this summer.



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25 Post contains images Ptcflyer : Wish Airtran would put out a "tip jar" at each of the airports they serve. In Atlanta, they could put the "tip jar" in front of the Delta ticket count
26 B757capt : MY FAULT I MENT SAT!!!! MY FAULT!!!!! hmmm with the 757 overnighting again?
27 RJNUT : not so fast!..this is from Worldspan Aug.1st flights 1AUG-MO-6A MDWMSP(CHIMSP) CT CT WL-PLUS MDW ALTERNATE ORD RFD 1 #NW1281 P9 F9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9
28 ORDagent : This does stink but FL will fly where they can make money. My only gripe is that they still have A LOT of gate space compared to the volume of flying
29 CcrlR : Never They flew to ORD when they had the 727's.
30 Cubsrule : FL didn't have much of an impact on legacy MSP-CHI fares (nor did TZ, FWIW). I don't know what loads you're looking at, but 50% loads aren't acceptab
31 Sunking737 : Sorry I think you are wrong. They did fly into ORD, but they tried to do a shuttle of some short, thats way they ordered the 737-700. They did receiv
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