Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
UA does not rent this route from NW. It bought it from Pan Am in the 80s when Pam Am was forced to sell their international services to remain viable (they failed). UA got some of Pam Am's 742s and 747SPs as part of the same transaction.
Nwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2849 times:
If the price is right people will take very strange routings.....
There was a KIX-SYD and an LAX-SYD they were not one flight....two seperate aircraft and flight numbers.
I think the SYD-LAX was usually pretty full, and I am almost positive the SYD-KIX flight was too (all be it, with the wrong passengers)
However the SYD-LAX route wasn't selling enough high price seats I think was the problem. Same with CO, the flights were full, but with discounted tickets. I wish more US airline would go back and give us some choice, all we have is UA if you want a USA carrier to SYD.
ERJ135 From Aruba, joined Nov 2000, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
Many Us Airlines have served Sydney and pulled out.
Continental and American as well as Northwest.
Northwest's problem was kinda unique as they could only enter Australia via a back door in their case Japan.
The problem was compounded by so called "Fifth Freedom" rights where Northwest wanted to uplift Japan - Sydney traffic and thus compete with the ANA and Jap lines as well as Qantas, so they were restricted there and had to try to convince Australians and Americans to travel through Japan on the way to USA or OZ as the case may be. This was very hard because most travellers would rather get to their destination reasonably quickly and there fore preferred to fly with QF or UA and previously PA. Even AA and CO were faster routes.
Both CO and AA also had to stopover in the Pacific (Hawaii?) because neither had suitable non stop capabilities.
I did enjoy seeing the Northwest aircraft here though.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8628 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2779 times:
Just to clarify, NW flew from JFK to Osaka to Sydney. The Osaka service did not originate in LA. When I was a travel agent I used to sell loads of seats on this unusual routing, it enabled business travellers to do a very efficient trip all around the Pacific Rim from the US East Coast. Shame they cancelled it.
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SteveT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
It seems to me that either Northwest or Continental will have to serve Australia and New Zealand at some point.The Wings Alliance has a huge hole in their route structure there which must be filled. I did a search for flights cle-syd on NWA's web site a few days ago, I thought there might be a codeshare flight, there was no flight available, at least not on the dates I entered.
VH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
After a while NW changed the JFK-KIX-SYD to originate out of Detroit, their major NE hub. This flight was operated as I recall with 2 a/c. A B744 DTW/JFK-KIX & a B742 KIX-SYD. This B742 used often sit in SYD for 2 or 3 days at a time, as this flight only operated 3 or 4 times per week.
They also initially flew SYD-HNL-LAX, until it became to uneconomic & they dropped HNL and flew direct to LAX.
Cheers - BZF
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