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DL- Ending TOL-ATL Service  
User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/...cle_AID=_20080319_NEWS11_803190440


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User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

DL? Just love how the media assumes the major airlines ops the flights when it's Comair in this case.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3681 times:



Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 1):
DL? Just love how the media assumes the major airlines ops the flights when it's Comair in this case.

Actually, it's ASA.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...cle?AID=/20080319/NEWS11/803190440

Quote:
The remaining daily commuter flight between Toledo Express Airport and Atlanta will end on May 1, officials said yesterday.

The elimination of the Delta Air Lines flight will reduce the nonstop destinations available from Toledo to just Chicago, Cincinnati, Detroit, Cleveland, and St. Petersburg and Sanford, Fla.

"It is important to understand that the decision to terminate our current once-daily Atlanta flight is not being caused by lack of support from our community," said Eric Frankl, airport director for the Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority.

"It is a direct result of soaring operating costs."



User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

The average flier doesnt know or care if its Delta,Comair or ASA. Their ticket says Delta and thats all they care about.


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3735 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Too bad for TOL. First their traffic is at a 40+ year low, and now this? I feel their pain. At the same time, though, if you can't keep service to the world's largest, most powerful hub from an MSA of over 600,000, you have some real issues. Of course DTW is a huge factor for TOL's 85+% leakage, but there's other factors, too.

And if you read TOL's response to DL's announcement, it was pathetic... TOL shouldn't have shrugged off the news like it was no big deal. TOL has lost service at an alarming rate over the last five years, and they should be doing everything they can to keep and attract service. Look at FWA, just down US 24... despite these challenging times, they gained an NW/9E nonstop to MSP, something they've wanted back for years. And look at CAK... they're flourishing in the shadow of the CO hub at CLE thanks to FL. If TOL supported FL better, maybe TOL would have been another CAK, but the pax stayed superglued to Delta and those SkyMiles... and they got this cold shoulder in the process.

Can TOL's problems be fixed? I think TOL could be primed for a comeback, but only if they focus less on growing cargo business and more on retaining and growing pax service. In the end, this announcement should be a wake-up call to the Port of Toledo...



Primary Airport: FWA/Alternate Airport: DTW/Not employed by the FWACAA or their partners
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

I hope the daily CR7 on BTV-ATL doesn't see the axe next.. but it might.


What now?
User currently offlineCMHARJ From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

From the rumor I heard, it would cost as much to send an MD80 to TOL than a 50 seat CRJ. We all know that if it has more than 50 seats, it doesn't belong in TOL. I have a possible solution, how about we clean house and get rid of all ur airport management and hire somebody who actually cares about the airport and not those who only worry about one particular company (cough cough QuickFlight). It's pretty sad that DL used to have I think 16 flights a day out of TOL and pretty soon, they will only have three.

User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

I'm worried about Lexington (KLEX) losing service. Delta regionals and mainline have 7 flights per day to Atlanta and I can imagine what's in store there.


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3207 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Of course DTW is a huge factor for TOL's 85+% leakage, but there's other factors, too.

Such as passenger inability to look at the real cost of driving to DTW vs flying from TOL. Add all the true costs in, and TOL is competetive. AA constantly getting pounded by ground stops to ORD (busting connections) doesn't help, nor does DL's failure to price TOL-ATL to attract O&D traffic, instead trying to connect Int'l traffic. Total flying time is shorter to europe via DTW.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
TOL shouldn't have shrugged off the news like it was no big deal.

But by making a big stink, it would stay in our local media. They wanted to quickly announce it and move on.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Look at FWA, just down US 24

It's more than "just" down 24, far out of the "drive to DTW" range....

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
despite these challenging times, they gained an NW/9E nonstop to MSP

If you didn't have the 9E hangar, I doubt you'd have the flight. Its more about positioning an aircraft for MX than it is about flying a profitable route.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
And look at CAK... they're flourishing in the shadow of the CO hub at CLE thanks to FL.

Look at a map of CLE, and you'll better understand why CAK was a success. Not only did CAK draw from YNG and the CAK catchment areas, they also drew heavily from the eastern suburbs of CLE. The drive to CAK takes just as long as the drive to CLE from the east side. Combine that with the fact that CO didn't match fares from CLE, and CAK had a big advantage. Most of suburban DTW is north of the city, and would never drive past DTW to get to TOL.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3185 times:



Quoting CMHARJ (Reply 6):
From the rumor I heard, it would cost as much to send an MD80 to TOL than a 50 seat CRJ. We all know that if it has more than 50 seats, it doesn't belong in TOL. I have a possible solution, how about we clean house and get rid of all ur airport management and hire somebody who actually cares about the airport and not those who only worry about one particular company (cough cough QuickFlight). It's pretty sad that DL used to have I think 16 flights a day out of TOL and pretty soon, they will only have three.

I mean...heaven forbid anyone fly something larger than a 50-seater in there. They might actually fill it up and prove their "the market is not there" statements false. :-P

The airport management is just a failure and they enjoy collecting pay checks. I think it is time that either they let a private company run the joint or at the very least, fire every single airport port employee and start over. Quick Flight is a good example. I mean, it was what...started by the ex-Station Manager for Mesaba in Toledo and then used Mesaba employees to work flights contracted to QF? Then allegedly, once Northwest/Mesaba found out they canned the manager, but the Port continues to push QF as an option to every airline. Corruption, Good Ol' Boys Club, whatever you want to call it...there is a lot of disfunction out there.

The airport had close to 40 flights a day when most of the current airport management team took office...and its down to 15 now? I think you are seeing the total implosion of an ineffective management team that went in with the wrong game plan. Over aggressive sales pitches to airlines, asking existing airline to cut flights to increase load factors, recruiting the wrong services for the airport, and throwing money at an airline that obviously has no loyalty to Toledo. AirTran failed in Toledo for a few reasons, but the biggest were the bad relationship between the airport management and FL scheduling/marketing management and also the airport being in bed with Delta.

It's been amazing how things have gone. I may have the years off by one or two, but...

1993 - UA leaves after 60 years in the market, pulling 8 daily ORD flights.
1995 - Chicago Express leaves for the first time, America West Express pulls service as well
1997 - Mainline Delta leaves.
1997 - AirTran leaves the first time.
1999 - US Airways mainline leaves.
2001 - US Airways Express leaves.
2002 - Continental Express leaves.
2002 - AirTran leaves again.
2005 - ATA Connection Leaves
2005 - TMA goes bankrupt.

/sigh


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3735 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3165 times:



Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 9):
I think you are seeing the total implosion of an ineffective management team that went in with the wrong game plan. Over aggressive sales pitches to airlines, asking existing airline to cut flights to increase load factors, recruiting the wrong services for the airport, and throwing money at an airline that obviously has no loyalty to Toledo. AirTran failed in Toledo for a few reasons, but the biggest were the bad relationship between the airport management and FL scheduling/marketing management and also the airport being in bed with Delta.

You hit the nail on the head.

Welcome to my respected user list.



Primary Airport: FWA/Alternate Airport: DTW/Not employed by the FWACAA or their partners
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting CMHARJ (Reply 6):

I like the idea   

Tommy is right and the Port handled the announcement correctly - think they have done this before?

If this were to have happend a few years ago, I would be upset. But now, it doesn't even phase me. Why? Because I expect nothing less from the Port. I'm going to say what I said to a Port member. I cannot believe them with any of their optimism and their forward looking statements. The reason why is because of their record and their continunual lack of vision and results. I understand some things are out of their control but the lack of innovation and lack of ingenuity or vision is nonexistent. Oh well....

[Edited 2008-03-19 18:26:17]

User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 3092 times:



Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 9):

The airport had close to 40 flights a day when most of the current airport management team took office...and its down to 15 now? I think you are seeing the total implosion of an ineffective management team that went in with the wrong game plan. Over aggressive sales pitches to airlines, asking existing airline to cut flights to increase load factors, recruiting the wrong services for the airport, and throwing money at an airline that obviously has no loyalty to Toledo. AirTran failed in Toledo for a few reasons, but the biggest were the bad relationship between the airport management and FL scheduling/marketing management and also the airport being in bed with Delta.

Actually, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Airline service has decreased at TOL because of changes driven by the evolving economics of the industry. The management team at TOL has done an very good job trying to turn it around but cannot fight the economic forces at play in this industry. The story at TOL is not that different than many other mid-size markets near major hubs.

As a matter fact, nearly every sentence in the above quoted paragraph is simply factually inaccurate. I'd love to know, for example, how many of those "over aggressive" sales pitches to airlines you have sat in on. Fewr than I have, I can assure you.

And I'd like to know what airline would have any "loyalty" to Toledo. In fact, you go on to complain about the airport's relationship with Delta. Should TOL cozy up to loyal incumbents, or pursue low-fare newcomers?

I'll say this, I do this stuff for a living. I don't have any skin in the TOL game. But I have dealt with the airport in the past as part of an airline planning team. I've seen first hand the airport's efforts AND I understand the economic forces they are up against. They've been as aggressive and pro-active as any airport in the nation. The fact that things haven't gone well over the past few years is an indictment on the economics of this industry, rather than the good folks at TOL.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Wow someone who actually defends the Port Authorities record, that is a first. Granted you were obviously on their payroll and benefited from them - so you would defend them. I laugh at the fact that you claim my statement is totally false. I know for a FACT of at least three airlines that have had less than pleasant experiences with the TOL team. You can deny them all you want, however I would consider my sources extremely reliable.

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 12):
I'll say this, I do this stuff for a living.

Perhaps you could actually work with TOL and show just how wonderfully skilled and effective you are at developing new service. Other than that, claiming that you worked with them in the past, I say their record isn't really something you would want to take credit for.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3036 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 12):
I'll say this, I do this stuff for a living. I don't have any skin in the TOL game. But I have dealt with the airport in the past as part of an airline planning team. I've seen first hand the airport's efforts AND I understand the economic forces they are up against. They've been as aggressive and pro-active as any airport in the nation. The fact that things haven't gone well over the past few years is an indictment on the economics of this industry, rather than the good folks at TOL.

I think the point he's really trying to drive home here is what job can you fail at (other then baseball) a 62% failure rate and still keep your job? In every line of work I've been at, that would cut it. Good folks or not.

I'm not trying to discredit you and I do think they have done a great job of bringing awareness of the airport back to the community. But the reason why they can't get people to fly is they have nothing to back it up - lack of destinations and airlines. I know Ouboy's source and I would consider it very reliable. Also, I wouldn't take his comments directed directly at the ones on the front lines, necessarily. A few other Port members where also cause of tension and they are no longer with the Port.

I honestly think it's time for a change of scenery - good folks or not there hasn't been any results. At least at RFD they have something counter the blow of United leaving. They have always seemed to have an answer or try something different out when one thing fails. Have yet to see that at TOL.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

While I don't know much about the alledged cronism at TOL (and I wouldn't be surprised that there is, as that has been the name of the game in Southeastern Michigan), you can't squarely place the blame on these people.

The external factors do not bode well for markets like TOL. Notice how ATL-TOL is just one of the 3-4 dozen routes that were cut this week. It is not just TOL, it is the entire industry right now.

TOL has everything possible going against it:
1) close proximity to a major international hub in a large O&D market
2) close proximity to an airport with several low-fare options
3) the cost of fuel causing the economics of 50 seat RJ's to rapidly deteriorate
4) the national economy on the skids
5) being in one of the most economically depressed regions in the US (NW Ohio/Southeast MI)

TOL isn't alone in seeing the cuts. I wouldn't compare RFD. They continually struggle to get anyone to stick around for more than a year or two.


1993 - UA leaves after 60 years in the market, pulling 8 daily ORD flights. - with AA in the market, there really isn't room for both into a slot & capacity constrained airport (plus this was 15 years ago) There are several other markets in MI that UA & AA do not both serve like MBS & FNT
1995 - Chicago Express leaves for the first time, America West Express pulls service as well
1997 - Mainline Delta leaves. - would be overkill in todays environment. Many larger markets are all-RJ these days
1997 - AirTran leaves the first time. - they were in shambles at this point
1999 - US Airways mainline leaves. - overkill by todays standard
2001 - US Airways Express leaves. - not TOL's fault, blame the mismanagement at US and the draw-down of PIT
2002 - Continental Express leaves - yeah CLE service would be nice, maybe it will come back
2002 - AirTran leaves again. - perhaps some blame lies here, but by 2005 they would've probably headed north to DTW anyways
2005 - ATA Connection Leaves - a function of ATA's poor business model, not TOL
2005 - TMA goes bankrupt. - a function of their poor business model

[Edited 2008-03-19 20:40:23]

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

PSU, I totally agree with you that the TOL market itself has issues and that there are also outside forces to blame. However, the Port needs to some plan to counter these draw downs. I'm not meaning to squarely place blame on the Port for all those airlines leaving, but that they have done little productive work to replace them. Out of that entire list, only CO returned to TOL a couple years ago.

- UA leaving was a huge mess with slots being moved around when UAL purchased Air Wisconsin. AA was working on bringing in a 6th flight to replace, but it never happened.
- C8 leaving the first time was probably a lot to do with the Jetstream 31 aircraft and the lack of the Saabs coming on fast enough.
- HP Express was doing okay for them, even though they were just BE1s, but it was the last market pulled when the turboprops were pulled from CMH.
- DL mainline leaving, yeah probably bound to happen...but in the current competitive envrionment in TOL, no one is really stepping up to pick up any extra passengers that are driving north.
- FL first time, the airline was a mess and just going into the merger with ValuJet. They wanted to get the flights to ATL as well, but VJ already had markets near TOL that were served. The service died when the added a stop in DAY on its way to MCO and had a crappy departure time.
- US mainline...eh that place gives me a headache.
- US Express. The market was still strong when they went RJs, it was only when Shuttle America took it over. I spoke with Scott Durgin, then their CEO, about the reliability issues in TOL and how it was killing the market. Needless to say when PIT was pulled down, the passengers had fled and no incentive to do PHL or CLT.
- CO...its back now, so that helps.
- FL Part 2. I don't know if they would have left to go to DTW. They remained in FNT. I think it really comes down to how the market would have done. Unfortunately, a lot of bad blood here between parties and the Port backing DL on several things.
- C8 Part 2 / ATA. Yeah. MDW was strong out of TOL...but they got stupid and tried to focus on Indiana and it killed them.
- TMA. TOL was probably one of the only markets they made money in and they did well. Port replaced them right away with Allegiant...whom has scaled services back since.


User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2973 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):
2002 - Continental Express leaves - yeah CLE service would be nice, maybe it will come back

still have service to CLE 2x daily on Beeches I believe



Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2959 times:



Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Wow someone who actually defends the Port Authorities record, that is a first. Granted you were obviously on their payroll and benefited from them - so you would defend them. I laugh at the fact that you claim my statement is totally false. I know for a FACT of at least three airlines that have had less than pleasant experiences with the TOL team. You can deny them all you want, however I would consider my sources extremely reliable.

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 12):
I'll say this, I do this stuff for a living.

Perhaps you could actually work with TOL and show just how wonderfully skilled and effective you are at developing new service. Other than that, claiming that you worked with them in the past, I say their record isn't really something you would want to take credit for.

For the record:

I have never been on the payroll or benefited from any work involving TOL. To the contrary, my work with TOL has primary occurred during times when I worked in the planning department a major U.S. airline that served TOL. I experienced their efforts and their professionalism first hand over a course of years. While I do not doubt that some airlines may claim that they have had less than pleasant experiences with the TOL, I can assure after spending the last 10 years doing this type of work, that unpleasant experience works both ways.

The difference between you an me in this discussion is that you have sources and I AM a source.

Today, as an air service development consultant, I have regular interaction with the TOL team as well as all of the airline planning teams. I do not now, or have I ever, been compensated for any work on behalf of TOL. However, I do have regular contact with the TOL folks as they seek advise and information. They are sharp and they know this stuff works way better than you, trust me

Going back to my original point, I would say this. The cards that TOL has been dealt in the post 9/11 and now $110+/barrrel oil market are nearly impossible to win with. Delta made money for years to CVG and ATL. That those markets are now no longer profitable says a lot more about the industry economics, consumer behavior and the regional economy than it does about the efforts of the local airport.

If, on the other hand, you have a better idea how TOL could have handled all of these fundamental changes in the marketplace, I'd love to hear.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2955 times:



Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 16):
- US Express. The market was still strong when they went RJs, it was only when Shuttle America took it over. I spoke with Scott Durgin, then their CEO, about the reliability issues in TOL and how it was killing the market. Needless to say when PIT was pulled down, the passengers had fled and no incentive to do PHL or CLT.

The loss of PIT service is squarely to blame on US's mismanagement of PIT and the abuse of an unsustainable business model at the time in the Northeast.

Like FWA, TOL has minimal chance of seeing PHL until a) US expands more into the midwest to make their routemap look like less of a barbell more importantly b) they unclog the congested mess that is PHL. Until they can get that place to function with some sort of reliability anytime there happens to be a cloud over the Delaware Valley, they have no business adding anymore RJ's into that cesspool of an airport

CLT would be a better alternative, and potentially more viable now that ATL is being cut. I would suggest you harp on the TOL administration to be banging down the doors in Tempe to get CLT-TOL going. Forget SCASD grants to NYC, go for CLT.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 16):
- CO...its back now, so that helps.

Good. I thought it was. CO is again figuring out what it can and cannot do with CLE, although it will be interesting to see what 2008 holds for the pending expansion. It may be 2 steps forward, one step back based on how everyone else is reacting to the cost of fuel.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 16):
- FL Part 2. I don't know if they would have left to go to DTW. They remained in FNT. I think it really comes down to how the market would have done. Unfortunately, a lot of bad blood here between parties and the Port backing DL on several things.

I know we've had this discussion before, but TOL cannot be compared to FNT. If DTW were located in the northern suburbs of Detroit, then TOL would look more like FNT does today and FNT would have very minimal service. FNT serves a much different market - catering to Northern Oakland County, the traditional FNT-proper area, plus stealing traffic from LAN, MBS, and the rest of Mid & Northern Michigan. FL went into DTW because they smelled blood when NW was in their darkest hour with the pending mechanics AMFA strike and pending Ch. 11 filing. DTW hasn't been the huge hit that FL thought it would be. The do well during peak leisure periods but their off-peak loads and yields have been lukewarm.


User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Going back in history a bit...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.../409200321&SearchID=73201714436509

I always wondered if TOL ever got its JFK service. Or if the city was just looking for a ready excuse to drop out of that situation.

[Edited 2008-03-20 00:31:39]

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Who still serves TOL?

[Edited 2008-03-20 10:20:59]


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

American Eagle - ORD
Northwest Airlink (Mesaba) - DTW
Continental Connection - CLE
Delta Connection - CVG (ATL ending soon)
Allegiant - SFB


User currently offlineCMHARJ From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2658 times:



Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 9):
Quick Flight is a good example. I mean, it was what...started by the ex-Station Manager for Mesaba in Toledo and then used Mesaba employees to work flights contracted to QF? Then allegedly, once Northwest/Mesaba found out they canned the manager, but the Port continues to push QF as an option to every airline. Corruption, Good Ol' Boys Club, whatever you want to call it...there is a lot of disfunction out there.

Actually, the ex-station manager had his NW employees do his QF dirty work and threaten to write them up when they refused to. For instance, he had his employees deice his QF planes because his own kids didn't have a driver's license to drive the deice truck. He also stole glycol from NW's deice truck that was already paid for and put it in the QF deice truck and then sold it back to NW.

When the NW employees having had enough of his BS, they went to NW and explained everything. However, since the manager had good ties with NW, NW basically looked the other way and gave him a slap on the wrist and told him it might be best to turn in a 2 weeks notice and during that 2 weeks, use up some vacation time and leave on good terms.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3735 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2609 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
Allegiant - SFB

G4 also serves TOL-PIE...



Primary Airport: FWA/Alternate Airport: DTW/Not employed by the FWACAA or their partners
25 Ouboy79 : Thanks for clearing it up. Needless to say, it shows the type of operation Quick Flight is and what fraudlent activity they allegedly participate in.
26 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : You can't buy a ticket on flyasa.com...
27 DTWAGENT : As a travel agent in a town that is spack dab in the middle of DTW or TOL. I can tell ya that if your booking a cruise. TOL air will beat DTW prices e
28 Xjramper : Thats unfortunate because the quality between the two are night and day. FNT and CAK seem to be doing just fine. Don't get me wrong, the catchment ar
29 Ouboy79 : Yeah there was about a year of downtime on the route from when CoEx pulled put til when CommutAir came in with their operation.
30 Jetlanta : And they both landed AirTran before either of the two events I mentioned. The problem is that all of your ideas, while having some merit, amount to v
31 FlyPNS1 : But the thing is that when you look at this list, most of these things would have happened regardless of the airport management team. The best manage
32 Jetlanta : Nail on the head. I would make the point that TOL did everything in its power to retain AirTran. The real issue was that FL was a much different carr
33 Ouboy79 : Why do I smell troll with the way this poster keeping talking up the TOL staff. Well another way to look at it, is the catalyst that FL would be to t
34 Jetlanta : My friend, I suggest you take a look at the history of my posts before you make judgments like that.
35 JetBlueGuy2006 : Last time I checked, they still serve SFB and PIE. The only station they have pulled is LAS, and Mad-dogs on that route with $100 plus oil just isn't
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