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Taca To Cali And Medellin?  
User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 4104 times:

I picked up the following note in the internet:

Taca wants more routes from San Jose, Costa Rica
Taca requested new routes to Cali and Medellin. According to the president of the airline for Costa Rica, the company hopes to successfully conclude the negotiation.

Does anyone knows anything about this?

Here is the link

http://www.eturbonews.com/1474/tourism-week-latin-america

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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

If TA wants to start flights to MDE and CLO, maybe best for them would be to route them SJO-MDE-LIM and SJO-CLO-LIM, unless they're thinking something like a daily SJO-MDE-CLO-SJO specially for connections to/from Central- and North-America.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

That's great news. The article in mention also reports LAN Peru pursuing LIM-UIO-MDE. This would add two more international destinations to MDE (if the ever centralized Colombia's civil aviation authority gives the necessary approvals).

I think it's about time to start decentralizing the 99.99 % of Colombia's international traffic that is currently handled through BOG. When flying from the US (or Canada) to any city in Colombia (through BOG), it really sucks how almost all flights arrive around 8:30 pm in BOG, with simply no time for connections to MDE or other cities. I can't understand why all the traffic from North America is so centralized around BOG with a schedule thought of as if everybody would just stay there.



There's only one freedom of the press: That of the survivors - (G. Arciniegas)
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

At a recent meeting (less than 3 weeks ago) between the authorities of Costa and Rica and Colombia about the bilateral agreement on aviation, they failed to reach an agreement for a revision, and so it remains very restricted:
Costa Rican airlines are restricted 10 weekly freqs (7 are already taken with SJO-BOG), and Medellin is restricted to 3 weekly frequencies, and with aircraft that have 50 seats or less. Given this, I am less optimistic about TA starting services from SJO. Whether it does so from LIM is another matter.

I hope that the LA LIM-UIO-MDE materialises.

Quoting Hagic (Reply 2):
it really sucks how almost all flights arrive around 8:30 pm in BOG, with simply no time for connections to MDE or other cities

Very true. Especially as clearing immigration and customs can be lengthy at that time. In the case of MDE, AA offers the best connections for North America, as it now has 2 daily flights between MIA and MDE.

Other option should materialise in the form of CO, with its newly approved flight arriving in BOG at the crack of dawn from IAH.


User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3983 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
Taca wants more routes from San Jose, Costa Rica
Taca requested new routes to Cali and Medellin.

I know they've had these two on the radar for about a year now. Who knows what the holdup was, but perhaps they finally decided to make their move before someone else did. That other party could very well be AeroRepublica.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3942 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
maybe best for them would be to route them SJO-MDE-LIM and SJO-CLO-LIM, unless they're thinking something like a daily SJO-MDE-CLO-SJO specially for connections to/from Central- and North-America.

CLO and MDE are well connected daily to Central America by means of CM/P5. With regard to direct operations heading to the US bound, CO [only CLO], AV and AA are already deploying regular services there.
If the bilateral agreement between Costa Rica and Colombia grants no more than three additional weekly frequencies, TA is plenty of disadvantage over the rest of the mentioned carriers.
IMHO, LIM is more viable due to neither TA nor LP are flying to both MDE and CLO, taking into consideration the chance to connect them with those destinations placed in deep South America through LIM.




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Quoting Hagic (Reply 2):
The article in mention also reports LAN Peru pursuing LIM-UIO-MDE.

The market between UIO-MDE is granted due to Aerogal from Ecuador [IATA code: 2K] is deploying 2K UIO-MDE thrice a week.




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Quoting Hagic (Reply 2):
I think it's about time to start decentralizing the 99.99 % of Colombia's international traffic that is currently handled through BOG. When flying from the US (or Canada) to any city in Colombia (through BOG), it really sucks how almost all flights arrive around 8:30 pm in BOG, with simply no time for connections to MDE or other cities. I can't understand why all the traffic from North America is so centralized around BOG with a schedule thought of as if everybody would just stay there.

I am not completely agree.
BOG is certainly the most important gateway in Colombia, but other cities are getting respectable services aiming to some US airports:
Medellin: AV MDE-MIA, AA MDE-MIA. AV JFK-MDE-CLO.
Cali: AA CLO-MIA. AV CLO-MIA. CO CLO-IAH. AV JFK-MDE-CLO.
Cartagena de Indias: AV PEI-CTG-MIA. NK CTG-FLL starts on May 08th.
Barranquilla: AA BAQ-MIA and AV BAQ-MIA.




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Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 4):
That other party could very well be AeroRepublica.

Their objectives in Costa Rica could be focused instead as follows:
CM/P5 CLO-PTY and then CM PTY-SJO. Available in two different banks.
CM/P5 MDE-PTY and then CM PTY-SJO. Available in two different banks.
IMHO, if P5 would fly to SJO in the future, such service may depart from BOG.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

as I undertand and as per a source I have at Taca they are starting flights to Medellin but from LIM not SJO.

Hopefully true

cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineTroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3871 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
Cali: AA CLO-MIA. AV CLO-MIA. CO CLO-IAH. AV JFK-MDE-CLO.

Do not forget from Cali:

AV CLO-MAD and EQ CLO-TUA-UIO


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3853 times:



Quoting Hagic (Reply 2):
(if the ever centralized Colombia's civil aviation authority gives the necessary approvals).

Andean countries (Colombia, Ecuador, Perú, Bolivia and maybe still Venezuela), do have open skies, so a Peruvian airline could fly LIM-UIO-MDE wihtout any problems.

Quoting Hagic (Reply 2):
I think it's about time to start decentralizing the 99.99 % of Colombia's international traffic that is currently handled through BOG.

MDE, CLO, PEI, BAQ, CTG, ADZ and now even BGA have international flights. BOG doesn't handle the 99.99% of Colombia international air-traffic.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 3):
Costa Rican airlines are restricted 10 weekly freqs (7 are already taken with SJO-BOG), and Medellin is restricted to 3 weekly frequencies, and with aircraft that have 50 seats or less. Given this, I am less optimistic about TA starting services from SJO. Whether it does so from LIM is another matter

Does the Costa Rica - Colombia bilateral allows other countries airlines to operate 5th liberty flights between Colombia and Costa Rica, if it's so, then Peruvian TACA could fly LIM-MDE/CLO-SJO. How about CTG,BAQ, SMR and ADZ, are those airports not slot-restricted under the current bilateral?



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3833 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
as I understand and as per a source I have at Taca they are starting flights to Medellin but from LIM not SJO.

It makes sense of logic.
Nevertheless, all the airports placed in the South American northbound and served by TA are getting dual services to San Jose and Lima: GYE, UIO, BOG and CCS.




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Quoting Troest (Reply 7):
Do not forget from Cali:

AV CLO-MAD and EQ CLO-TUA-UIO

Agreed. However, I was referring to flights heading to the United States from other Colombian airports besides Bogota.  Wink




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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 8):
MDE, CLO, PEI, BAQ, CTG, ADZ and now even BGA have international flights. BOG doesn't handle the 99.99% of Colombia international air-traffic.

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"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3766 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
Medellin: AV MDE-MIA, AA MDE-MIA. AV JFK-MDE-CLO.
Cali: AA CLO-MIA. AV CLO-MIA. CO CLO-IAH. AV JFK-MDE-CLO.

Not impressive at all. That's the minimum direct traffic to the US that a pair of three-million-people cities located in the Northeastern corner of South America could ask for.

My point is that MDE and CLO could be better off with more coordinated connections through BOG, from all carriers.

Nowadays, if I want to go to MDE or CLO from the US, I can't fly CO or DL because I can't simply make the connection in BOG. That's two major carriers that one has to systematically rule out for traveling to Colombia, given the limited, very restricted (and BOG-focused) traffic approval by Colombia's aviation authority.



There's only one freedom of the press: That of the survivors - (G. Arciniegas)
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3763 times:



Quoting Hagic (Reply 10):
Nowadays, if I want to go to MDE or CLO from the US, I can't fly CO or DL because I can't simply make the connection in BOG. That's two major carriers that one has to systematically rule out for traveling to Colombia, given the limited, very restricted (and BOG-focused) traffic approval by Colombia's aviation authority.

In the case of the US, it isn't really Colombia's aviation authority that is the bad guy. In the current allocation process for 28 frequencies for US carriers, DOT opted not to authorise any of the applications that involved flights to other than BOG. DL applied for ATL-MDE and ATL-CLO, and Spirit applied for 14 x FLL-MDE. Instead they gave CO a second daily IAH-BOG even though it does not even currently use its full allocation to CLO (CO also has the right to serve MDE, but it chooses not to)


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32600 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3737 times:



Quoting Hagic (Reply 10):
Not impressive at all. That's the minimum direct traffic to the US that a pair of three-million-people cities located in the Northeastern corner of South America could ask for.

Though traffic from those cities is extremely concentrated to South Florida and New York. There is little traffic outside of those two markets. Miami alone accounts for nearly 3/4th of the traffic between Medellin and the United States.



a.
User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3738 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
(CO also has the right to serve MDE, but it chooses not to)

Don't airlines have a deadline for slot allocations, something like use it or give it away (like branding rights) ?.

I ask that because it's a pity that DL wants a ATL-MDE slot when CO doesn't have any incentive to use it (they already have CM serving MDE through PTY). This is definitely against the bottom-line of a competitive industry.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3685 times:



Quoting Hagic (Reply 13):
Don't airlines have a deadline for slot allocations, something like use it or give it away (like branding rights) ?.

CO's rights to MDE are part of 7 frequencies, of which it only uses 3 a week to CLO throughout the year. If it wanted, it could use 4x MDE, 3x CLO or something like that. When DOT granted these rights, it accepted that CO might only use some of them seasonally. But it does not seem right, that at a time when there are airlines willing to take 4 weekly frequencies, CO is not properly challenged for their lack of permanent use (and to add insult to injury, are given more new ones on top!)


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3634 times:



Quoting Hagic (Reply 10):
My point is that MDE and CLO could be better off with more coordinated connections through BOG, from all carriers.
Nowadays, if I want to go to MDE or CLO from the US, I can't fly CO or DL because I can't simply make the connection in BOG. That's two major carriers that one has to systematically rule out for traveling to Colombia, given the limited, very restricted (and BOG-focused) traffic approval by Colombia's aviation authority.

AV code-shares extensively with DL and both MDE and CLO are connected to ATL as follows:




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Medellin
AV 9303........MDE 06:30.........BOG 07:15
DL 298..........BOG 09:30.........ATL 15:32

DL 1099.........ATL 12:12.........MIA 14:00
AV 07............MIA 17:00.........BOG 19:30
AV 9330........BOG 21:45........MDE 22:35




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Cali
AV 9236........CLO 06:30.........BOG 07:20
DL 298..........BOG 09:30.........ATL 15:32

DL 1099.........ATL 12:12.........MIA 14:00
AV 07............MIA 17:00.........BOG 19:30
AV 73...........BOG 21:30........MDE 22:30




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By the way, other affordable chance is either AV CLO-MIA or AV MDE-MIA and then DL MIA-ATL, supported on the DL/AV agreement.
IAH is affordable through CO CLO-IAH and vice versa, but it doesn't operate every day.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3616 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
AV 73...........BOG 21:30........MDE 22:30

Apologies, I meant:

AV 73...........BOG 21:30........CLO 22:30



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3600 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
AV code-shares extensively with DL and both MDE and CLO are connected to ATL as follows:

Thanks SJOtoLIR, but the point is that I don't fly out of ATL. I regularly use YUL, YYZ, JFK and EWR.

If I want to book a flight YUL/JFK - MDE or YUL/JFK - CLO, I can't connect with the ATL - BOG flight because of that silly arriving time in BOG, which makes a connection on to MDE or CLO impossible. The same happens with CO (from EWR). So I have to systematically rule out flying on DL or CO metal for travel to MDE or CLO (or any other city in Colombia).

I don't want to stir up more controversy on this issue, but again, that's two major carriers taken out of any consideration, when the arrival times in BOG could be better coordinated to facilitate connections in BOG (I guess arriving just one hour earlier would do the trick).



There's only one freedom of the press: That of the survivors - (G. Arciniegas)
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3557 times:



Quoting Hagic (Reply 17):
ATL - BOG flight because of that silly arriving time in BOG, which makes a connection on to MDE or CLO impossible.

This is simply not true. Avianca has timed its last BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO flights at 21:45 and 21:30, specifically to capture connecting passengers comming in DL299 from ATL and AV0037 from FLL. In fact, these flights will not depart from BOG to MDE and CLO until all connecting passengers are present, as long as the inbound flights from ATL and FLL are confirmed for arrival on a reasonable hour. Hence, it is not strange to see this flights depart around 10pm or even later.

I am from Medellin, and as much as I would love to see more service to the US from my city, one has to keep its feet on the ground and face the truth: MDE and CLO will not support daily flights to anything outside Miami and New York in the near-future. Maybe Atlanta, and I still doubt it.


SA.


User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3490 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 18):
Avianca has timed its last BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO flights at 21:45 and 21:30, specifically to capture connecting passengers comming in DL299 from ATL and AV0037 from FLL. In fact, these flights will not depart from BOG to MDE and CLO until all connecting passengers are present, as long as the inbound flights from ATL and FLL are confirmed for arrival on a reasonable hour

Interesting. I think this settles the issue. Back in the late 90's I used to fly RG GRU-BOG, arriving in BOG at 8:30 pm. AV had just launched 10:30 pm flights to MDE, PEI, CLO and BAQ. I can say that clearing passport control and customs in BOG and transferring over to 'Puente Aéreo' was a race against the clock. The baggage area was clogged with people from all flights arriving pretty much at the same time.

Even though passengers from Brazil were systematically let through customs with minor checks, I don't remember getting on the AV flight not being drenched in sweat. To make things more fun, AV decided to push the evening flights forward to 9:45 pm, so for me BOG is out of the equation. Anyway, my next two trips down south are the very convenient AV service JFK - MDE non-stop, leaving at 7:00 am and arriving in MDE just at lunchtime and the AA YUL - MIA - MDE (with a quick 2 hour layover in MIA).



There's only one freedom of the press: That of the survivors - (G. Arciniegas)
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3438 times:



Quoting Hagic (Reply 19):
Even though passengers from Brazil were systematically let through customs with minor checks, I don't remember getting on the AV flight not being drenched in sweat. To make things more fun, AV decided to push the evening flights forward to 9:45 pm, so for me BOG is out of the equation.

As I mentioned, if the inbound flights have arrived and passengers are stuck in immigration, these flight won't depart. AV9330 BOG-MDE is even famous within airport taxi-drivers in Medellin because it can arrive pretty much at any hour, up to 11pm. In my case, the last time I flew on this service it departed BOG at 20:20.


SA.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Back to the original issue, authorities of TACA have stated before that the opening of new routes will be possible, once they'll receive their new fleet of E90s.
The 100-seater E90s are focused for low-density markets and the utilization of such equipments in the mentioned destinations would be viable there.
However, TA will take delivery of its first E90 afterwards the first half of this year.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3353 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 21):
once they'll receive their new fleet of E90s.

That's right, and we should be seeing the first of those (eleven) birds at SJO in a few months. I would further agree that these 96-seaters are perfect for lower-density routes such as CLO and MDE. And never mind any bilateral frequency limitations, given the political clout of TA locally and the excellent diplomatic relationship between the two countries.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

It looks as if it will be LIM-MDE! To start off with at least..

A short note on Medellin's El Mundo (Spanish) http://www.elmundo.com/sitioweb/nota...ion=6&dsseccion=Notas+Econ%F3micas

According to this, TACA representatives have been in the city finalising plans for the flight, which will be 4 x weekly, and which would be officially announced next week. I expect it to leave LIM between 11 am and 12 n, arriving MDE 3 pm or so, and back ~4 pm. This schedule is good for connections in LIM. I bet that it will prove a good way to EZE from MDE.

I also expect that AV will codseshare on this flight at some point.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Excellent news. If eventually a E90 is used, I wonder if it would be penalized for take-off at MDE. After all, LIM is almost three hours away.


SA.


25 Avianca : I am sure A319 will be used.... btw does Taca Peru have E90 ?
26 SOUTHAMERICA : They don't, I was referring to the E90s that Taca has ordered and will begin to receive shortly. Though I don't know if they will be used interchange
27 Viaggiare : Well, back in December I came across a copy of Nuestro Grupo (basically a parrot cartel self-gloss internal publication) which had a piece about thei
28 SOUTHAMERICA : OK then, so that indeed leaves the A319 as the option for this route. SA.
29 SJOtoLIR : As far as I'm aware, ADZ, SMR, BAQ and CTG are regulated upon the Open-Skies agreement. TA commonly operates SJO-ADZ as charter flights and sustained
30 SOUTHAMERICA : Altitude has huge, huge impact in aircraft performance, you seem to underestimate it. For example, American Airlines uses MD-80s in rather long route
31 Summa767 : LAN has beat TACA to loading its new service to MDE! It will fly an A319 DAILY LIM-UIO-MDE and back from 15th May. I hope this does not put TACA off s
32 SOUTHAMERICA : I believe TACA's planned LIM-MDE services has no chances against LAN's more rational LIM-UIO-MDE route. The market between Quito and Medellin is large
33 SOUTHAMERICA : As a side information, Copa has just confirmed the schedules of its THIRD DAILY MDE-PTY flight, operated by Aero Republica. It will operate in the mor
34 Avianca : I have my doubts that TA is targeting totally to local MDE-LIM or vice-versa traffic... the connections to SCL, EZE, MVD, GRU should be the key. tota
35 SOUTHAMERICA : It certainly can. The international concourse only gets crowded in the early mornings, but during most of the day it is pretty empty. The LAN flight
36 Post contains links and images SJOtoLIR : . P5 will also increase frequencies into CLO-PTY, adding they'll fly BAQ-PTY with their own planes. P5 will commence services between PTY and PEI as
37 RCS763AV : Aerocivil is all but centralized. That is just nonsense, domestic connections are easy in BOG, plus the other cities have a decent share of internati
38 Clo1973 : In my opinion I see no clear future for this flight. Aeropostal operated 6x CCS-MDE for a little over a year with mediocre results. Considering that
39 Post contains images SOUTHAMERICA : They should have picked CLO-UIO-LIM instead, right?   Seriously though, LAN obviously know something that we don't. Aeropostal is a disastrous compa
40 Post contains images Troest : At least seasonal in December for La Feria de Cali. Don't know why, but many Peruvians know about this festival
41 2travel2know : Would TA consider to fly ATR SJO-MDE thrice daily to comply with the Colombia-Costa Rica bilateral? SJO-MDE is almost the same distance as a SJU-POS a
42 SJOtoLIR : The route LIM-UIO-MDE will be operated by LAN Peru. . In my view, the ATR-42 isn't the suitable airplane to operate SJO-MDE, compared with [CM/P5 MDE
43 Viaggiare : 3x daily? Taking the 450km/h (243 knots) cruising speed of the ATR 42-300s into account, these flights would take upwards of 2 1/2 hours each way. Ex
44 2travel2know : My mistake, it's thrice weekly, as it's allowed under the current Colombia-Costa Rica bilateral.
45 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : The ATR also offers limited cargo allowance and they are merely used for regional routes: TA SJO-DAV, TA SJO-SAP, TA SJO-MGA-SAL, TA GUA-SAP, TA GUA-
46 Clo1973 : No, I do not think they should go for that one too..... I believe (and numbers some how supported) that the only way CLO or MDE can support a dedicat
47 SOUTHAMERICA : They will. If they didn't have rights on that segment, the route would have no sense at all. With all due respect, it is laughable that you are compa
48 SJOtoLIR : Schedule for LP LIM-UIO-MDE and vice versa: LP 580......LIM 12:40........UIO 14:45......Daily.........319 LP 580......UIO 15:35........MDE 16:55....Da
49 Avianca : please add GRU, with these 3 destinations and the local MDE-UIO and MDE-LIM traffic they should do well. please remember that the GYE is heavely feed
50 SOUTHAMERICA : Yes, I know, but you should also remember that MDE-UIO-LIM will arrive in Lima just in time for connections to La Paz, Santa Cruz, Santiago de Chile,
51 Avianca : wow, thought also that they have more flights between LIM and UIO... so at least the half aicraft on the MDE-UIO-LIM run is targeted for local MDE-UI
52 SJOtoLIR : I didn't include GRU because it's involved partially in the equation: LP 580......LIM 12:40........UIO 14:45......Daily.........319 LP 580......UIO 1
53 Avianca : UIO may the only destination where CM is not affected... but for LIM and for sure also connecting destinations like SCL, EZE, GRU, MVD were Paisas us
54 SOUTHAMERICA : A friend of mine who is a FA for Copa told me the other day that many people in Medellin indeed use Copa especially for traveling to Buenos Aires. I
55 Avianca : I am missing SJO on the list... as I understand CM is used a lot ex MDE to SJO... now we will also see how AV will hut CM on this route... on the oth
56 Post contains images Viaggiare : Copa is indeed the choice of VFR travelers heading out to MDE out of SJO. The same is true to CLO, btw. Those folks just seem to avoid BOG at all cos
57 RCS763AV : With Aerogal´s fares, and the ecuadoreans´ ultimate dislike of Colombia, i´m not surprised. But Aerogal musn´t be making a lot of money with thos
58 Avianca : well these days the connections are "great" used often (also family members) them arrival from CCS connecting to MDE without any problem even 50 minu
59 SJOtoLIR : [AV MDE-BOG and AV BOG-SJO] are likely undermining the twice-daily [CM/P5 MDE-PTY and then CM PTY-SJO]. The disadvantage is that AV BOG-SJO is availa
60 Clo1973 : I don´t think is that laughable, when internationa traffic out of both cities is pretty much the same (550K pax in/out of MDE vs 536K pax for CLO in
61 SOUTHAMERICA : Regardless if it is O&D traffic or not, the difference in traffic specifically to Andean cities is just abysmal. In 2007: MDE-CCS-MDE: 39,471 pax. CL
62 Hagic : I spent half of last year in Panama City and I had to take frequent flights to Colombia and the US. I tell you that I just had enough of the overpric
63 SOUTHAMERICA : I agree that flights are over-priced. But Avianca isn't much cheaper than Copa, in fact, they charge almost the same prices, at least from Medellin.
64 Summa767 : TACA' sschedule, LIM-MDE has been loaded. From 2nd July, MON, WED, FRI & SUN, operated by Airbus A320 Flight LA134 LIM 1045 MDE 1350 Flight LA135 MDE
65 SOUTHAMERICA : This will be very interesting. I hope both of them survive in the market, though I believe LAN has way more chances to make it work. Nonetheless, it i
66 Clo1973 : Numbers for non-stop routes are so misleading, that TAME alone transported 12,600 pax between Cali, Tulcan and Quito (80% of those pax go to Quito).
67 Troest : Is phase I already completed? They said the current terminal would be done by late March. BTW Any pictures to see how it looks?
68 SOUTHAMERICA : How do you know that 80% continue to Quito? Look you can turn it or twist it the way you want, but the bottom-line is still the same: the market in M
69 SJOtoLIR : TACA will set a new 320 in LIM, allowing the chance to switch TA LIM-MDE 4x weekly with TA LIM-GUA 3x weekly. Both services will commence on July. On
70 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : TACA has officially announced the route onto its website. They are boosting LIM-MDE offering mile bonus for those passengers who purchase tickets in t
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