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Delta Ends CMH-BDL/RSW/TPA  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

These cuts are being discussed in the giant Delta cuts thread, but I indefinitely think that they should be given a thread of their own given that fuel prices might not be the only thing behind these cuts. On the same day that Skybus announces a cut-back of their summer schedules at Columbus, Delta will end all service to Ft. Myers on May 1st, Tampa on June 3rd, and Hartford on June 5th, leaving CMH with no non-stops to RSW and BDL, and only Southwest to Tampa.

This follows the cut of flights to Fort Lauderdale (ends March 31st) and the downgrade of Los Angeles service to "seasonal" (operating only for a few weeks during the summer - and I have doubts that it will even resume).

Sad news for Columbus travelers who are now faced with less choices in travel, especially business travelers.


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User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

All CHQ flights. Not a big reduction though. All the flights operated once a day or less.

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4199 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4674 times:



Quoting Drewwright (Reply 1):
All CHQ flights. Not a big reduction though. All the flights operated once a day or less.

Yeah, I don't know too many people reeling over this. If I was in Hartford and trying to get to CMH on DL, I guess the trip is now through Cincinnati or Atlanta, but other than I can't imagine this is big news for too many.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4666 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 2):
If I was in Hartford and trying to get to CMH on DL, I guess the trip is now through Cincinnati or Atlanta, but other than I can't imagine this is big news for too many.

It will be major annoyance for those in the insurance industry. Columbus and Hartford are two of the most important insurance industry cities in the U.S.



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User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4630 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 2):
Yeah, I don't know too many people reeling over this. If I was in Hartford and trying to get to CMH on DL, I guess the trip is now through Cincinnati or Atlanta, but other than I can't imagine this is big news for too many.



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User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Columbus has struggled to keep good service to anywhere in the US. Remember a few years ago when Citrus, America West had a small hub there and it didn't work?

[Edited 2008-03-19 17:07:52]


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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

I'm not surprised here. When DL called CMH a focus city, I found it a doomed idea. Even though I live in CMH now, not surprised. The fact that CMH was the only labeled focus city without a Crown Room Club confirmed to me that DL was experimenting with the idea, as they do with many routes.

I hope that if fuel prices normalize, that routes can be reinstated here in CMH, however.



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User currently offlineFlyCMHjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4533 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
On the same day that Skybus announces a cut-back of their summer schedules at Columbus, Delta will end all service to Ft. Myers on May 1st, Tampa on June 3rd, and Hartford on June 5th, leaving CMH with no non-stops to RSW and BDL, and only Southwest to Tampa.

You know, it is very interesting that all the Jetblue signage and ticket counter, bso office and gate are all still intact, going on 3 months after they left town. Either they and the airport aren't in any hurry to get rid of it, or it has been left there for a reason...


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4376 times:



Quoting FalconBird (Reply 5):
Remember a few years ago when Citrus, America West had a small hub there and it didn't work?

Citrus is AirTran. They've never had a small hub at CMH. America West did, but it was designed to connect traffic from HP's east coast destinations to their Western ops. They never really tried to build traffic from the midwest into CMH.


User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Sorry, I meant Cactus. My bad!


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User currently offlineJetbluejackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

cough::paging jetBlue for a return:: cough cough


but seriously though, in a post SX environment which may be coming up rapidly, CMH airport officials have hinted that B6 may return to CMH, possibly with a bang....this would explain why all the B6 stuff is still up at CMH


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3697 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4135 times:



Quoting FlyCMHjets (Reply 7):
You know, it is very interesting that all the Jetblue signage and ticket counter, bso office and gate are all still intact, going on 3 months after they left town. Either they and the airport aren't in any hurry to get rid of it, or it has been left there for a reason...

I think the electric signs at the gates were down the last time I was through C about a month ago, but everything else is untouched.



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4052 times:



Quoting Jetbluejackets (Reply 10):
but seriously though, in a post SX environment which may be coming up rapidly, CMH airport officials have hinted that B6 may return to CMH, possibly with a bang....this would explain why all the B6 stuff is still up at CMH

I wouldnt get your hopes up - it's probably still there because JetBlue doesn't feel it necessary to fly back in to remove it - just a waste of a human resource as long as CMH is willing to keep letting it stay for free advertising. Eventually CMH will get enough grief to either take it down themselves or force JB's hand at removal. As long as they aren't paying the lease anymore, who cares.

And airlines that pull-out of a market completely and entirely are not very likely to "come back with a bang." I can't think of one such example in the past of a carrier totally shuttering a station only to return with a bounty of flights later on!



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User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

The DL/NW merger is a done deal guy's..........thats what all these recent DL cuts are all about...

The CRJ/ERJ's that seat less than 75 have seen there better days. Those little mosquito's are most the problem with atc flow. The Q-400 and the E-190 are the new industry standard.

The industry is changing....keep your eyes open you'll be amazed what you see in the next six months.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

According to local media, DL is also chopping DCA-CMH. If so, I'm curious what DL is doing with the extra DCA slots as they are also cancelling DCA-BTR.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3875 times:



Quoting Rsmith6621a (Reply 13):
The DL/NW merger is a done deal guy's..........thats what all these recent DL cuts are all about...

no its not, its about fuel. And if it is all about NW/DL, where are the NW cuts? And why would DL be cutting markets in the SE to Florida that have nothing to do with overflying a NW hub? Its about fuel and the uneconomical CRJ. Reason NW hasnt cut like DL is NW doesnt do p2p as much as DL does.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

This really is kind of sad in a sense that DL is slashing so much P2P flying, especially in smaller market cities like Columbus. One of the draws to an airline like DL was that they had a ton of focus cities and you did not have to connect through ATL of CVG everytime you flew them. But now, they are cutting dozens of routes and more and more traffic is going to be routed through their hubs, namely ATL and to a lesser extent CVG.

I don't know about most people, but I avoid connecting flights like the plague when I travel and DL cutting these P2P flighs amkes an airline like WN much more attractive to those who don't want the hassel and extra time added with connecting.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3861 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 14):
According to local media, DL is also chopping DCA-CMH.

Ya know...this makes me wonder if the routes that are being cut, would've been cut even without Skybus in the market. Maybe FlyCMH could chime in on his thoughts after he gets done trotting the globe (if he is)  Smile

I was wondering where the slots were going too...maybe increase frequencies at their hubs? Does anyone know if Delta is going to do this - get back to doing mostly hub and spoke flying? I'm kind of curious as to what everyone thinks their domestic strategy is going to be moving forward.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3830 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 17):
Ya know...this makes me wonder if the routes that are being cut, would've been cut even without Skybus in the market.

I tend to think many of these would have been cut even without SkyBus. The bottomline is that thin p2p routes, with high-cost RJ's and high fuel prices don't work. We've seen DL cut other p2p routes where there are no LCC's present. With that said, I'm sure SkyBus hasn't helped the situation.

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 17):
I was wondering where the slots were going too...maybe increase frequencies at their hubs?

DCA-ATL is already 16x daily. DCA-SLC can't be increased (beyond perimeter). DCA-CVG could be increased, but I can't see DL adding capacity to CVG. DCA-LGA is 16x daily and LGA is slot controlled. So that only leaves DCA-BOS and DCA-JFK as hub candidates (and BOS isn't even a hub).


User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3802 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 16):
I don't know about most people, but I avoid connecting flights like the plague when I travel and DL cutting these P2P flighs amkes an airline like WN much more attractive to those who don't want the hassel and extra time added with connecting.

I fly Delta quite a bit, and one thing that I did/do hate is flying on the CRJ-200/ERJ-135/145. With that said, flights CMH-FLL/RSW/TPA on one of those mosquitoes was not attractive to me. I would prefer to fly CMH-ATL-FLL/RSW/TPA on a mainline aircraft, or even EMB-170, than take the non-stop; and by the way, my flights are usually for business and not leisure.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Delta to drop 4 Port Columbus routes
Cuts include Tampa; Fort Lauderdale; Washington, D.C.
Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:13 AM
By Marla Matzer Rose

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Tough times in the airline industry will force Delta Air Lines to make deep cuts in flights from Port Columbus starting this summer.

The cuts are part of a broader plan by the airline to trim its U.S. schedule by 5 percent in the face of sky-high fuel costs.

Rest of the article:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...T_03-20-08_C8_HV9MOMU.html?sid=101

It's interesting to note that, according to the Dispatch, Delta will indeed return 4x weekly service to LAX this summer.

Other than that, there's really not too much to comment about other than it's pretty disappointing to see these routes go. I do think Skybus is partially to blame, especially on more marginal routes like Hartford. Hopefully, one way or another, we can see a return to some of these cities in the future, not as long as fuel remains such a constant hurdle and yields and loads are deteriorated by Skybus.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3731 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 18):
So that only leaves DCA-BOS and DCA-JFK as hub candidates (and BOS isn't even a hub).

...and JFK is capacity-controlled as well.

Given the potential new rules at DCA, I wouldn't be surprised if DL shuffles some slots and adds some beyond-perimeter flying. It can't be done with the CMH slots directly, but it looks like it can be done if they move the CMH slots to ATL (or JFK or LGA) and the ATL slots elsewhere.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6577 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3594 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
It will be major annoyance for those in the insurance industry. Columbus and Hartford are two of the most important insurance industry cities in the U.S.

Well, those insurance industry folks can still fly Skybus to Chicopee and drive the 45 minutes to Hartford -- especially the ones at Nationwide who helped bankroll Skybus.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3568 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 22):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
It will be major annoyance for those in the insurance industry. Columbus and Hartford are two of the most important insurance industry cities in the U.S.

Well, those insurance industry folks can still fly Skybus to Chicopee and drive the 45 minutes to Hartford -- especially the ones at Nationwide who helped bankroll Skybus.

Ironic, is it not?


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3455 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 15):
no its not, its about fuel. And if it is all about NW/DL, where are the NW cuts? And why would DL be cutting markets

Those in SUITS always say it's about fuel prices but it doesn't stop their bonus checks......I have heard that many/most pilots at DL are going out the door since they could not reach an agreement on seniority. Why would they cutting markets???....THE CRJ2 and 7 and the ERJ are INEFFICIENT AIRCRAFT.



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25 Aruba : Does that mean that there is now no Delta service to Connecticut?!
26 Tornado82 : Nationwide also runs chartered shuttles to BDL and DSM from CMH. Or at least did. Plus anyone *that* important in Nationwide rolls in the Challengers
27 DeltAirlines : DL still flies mainline to ATL, CVG, MCO, FLL, TPA and PBI from BDL, plus Connection to CVG and JFK. DL has apretty sizeable presence at BDL - they m
28 Post contains images Cadet57 : Skybus from CEF... Among many others Id agree. Id like to say US may have an edge thou.
29 Tcttx : DL also currently flies mainline seasonally (for now anyway) BDL-RSW too. Right now, largest carrier at BDL is either DL or WN. US has fallen from its
30 FlyCMH : It looks like the June schedules are pretty-much finalized. Here's a run-down of the changes out of CMH: ATL: 1x 738, 1x M88, 5x E70, 1x CR2 (no chang
31 Flighty : Well Delta has too many 50 seaters. But the CR7 is a wonderful aircraft. No, it is not inefficient. It is a key tool for moving people around without
32 MasseyBrown : That's what their president said at the JP Morgan conference - that they would take the capacity reduction out of non-hub flying.
33 LV : how about WN at SFO?
34 DeltaRules : The schedule shows it's a 738...is it an -800 or one of the new -700s?
35 Flynavy : CMH-LAX will be the LAST place we'd send one of the new 73Gs. It's a 737-800 flight.[Edited 2008-03-23 15:18:05]
36 Skibum9 : Eventually with the ever rising fuel prices, the CRJ7 will soon be bit. The CASM is still higher than mainline planes. So it will head the way of the
37 BillReid : I have predicted this since the start of SX. What is really idicative of the CMH situation is that CMH did not appear at Network 2008 to talk with th
38 FlyCMH : The GDS system I use shows it as a 73G.
39 MAH4546 : GSO is starting to fall victim too. Delta is ending GSO's only non-stops to Orlando (MCO) and Boston come June. Looks like travelers looking for a no
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