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Fate Of Delta's Domestic 767-300s  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6533 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

I was wondering, with all the recent cuts, I was wondering what is the future for Delta's domestic 767-300s. While most cuts have been for RJ service, I have heard that Delta is looking to park a few mainline aircraft as well.

Delta has recently started to refit their domestic 767-300s with new slimline seats and AVOD IFE, with ship 125 being the most recently done. If Delta is parking some aircraft, will these mods continue? Hopefully Delta doesn't get rid of all of their domestic 767-300s. Four aircraft (ships 1401-1404) are especially important as they are ETOPS rated, making them essential on Hawaii runs now that the 767-400ERs are being moved to international routes.

So, does anyone know what are the current plans for the domestic 767-300s? Will the seat/IFE mods continue?


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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

I would hope that parking a 763 would not be an option as the pax and cargo capacity is far more than that of a 757. Same two man pilot crew, a few extra flight attendants, less fuel efficient, but almost 80 additional pax to offset. Perhaps park a few MD88's, retrofit the remaining 764's to int'l configuration, and bring back a few 763-ER's to the domestic fleet, retrofitted to a domestic configuration(for increased revenue),to fly ATL/JFK-Hawaii.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5438 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3716 times:



Quoting CV880 (Reply 1):
I would hope that parking a 763 would not be an option as the pax and cargo capacity is far more than that of a 757.

757 has better seat/mile costs by a couple of cents, interpolating from a fuel consumption chart showing 757, 762, and 764 posted by CO in their JP Morgan conference slides. It's ok to chop 80 seats if you can make sure those are the lowest yield pax.

You don't want to carry ALL the pax, just the profitable ones.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

I would hope they take into account the loss of cargo revenue if they were to downgrade equipment on certain routes from a 763 to a 757. Many larger cargo customers like to be able to have their cargo palletized or containerized.


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3036 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

I'd certainly think if they reduce frequency on some major routes, they could fill the 763's quite easily. Seems 1 763 would be more cost-effective than 2 MD88's on the same route....


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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

We have already lease-rejected a few domestic 767-300s as part of the 5 percent capacity reduction late last year. I honestly doubt we'll see any more go.

If anything, I can see some of the older 757-232s being yanked. Finding buyers of used 757s isn't exactly hard to do (i.e. Fedex).


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
If anything, I can see some of the older 757-232s being yanked. Finding buyers of used 757s isn't exactly hard to do (i.e. Fedex).

Well, FedEx is looking for RR-powered 757s, so I don't think they would really be interested. Also, I know that the ex-ATA 757s are the oldest 757s (and aircraft in general) in Delta's fleet, however, they are the only ETOPS 757s besides the ex-TWA aircraft. So, I assume those will stay. I have also heard that Delta was looking into installing PTVs with AVOD onto those aircraft. Is that still the plan?

Also, do you know when is the first ETOPS domestic 767-300 (ships 1401-1404) planned to go in for the mods? There are currently five domestic 767-300s that have recieved the mods (ships 121, 125, 131, 133, and 139), however, none of those are ETOPS-rated.

[Edited 2008-03-20 10:24:26]


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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

there will be some m88s parker...not sold...just parked, also a couple of the older 75s will be parked as well. DL is also trying to minimize the use of 50 seaters...once that is all said and done, we ought to be doing a bit better!

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

[quote=MasseyBrown,reply=2]
You don't want to carry ALL the pax, just the profitable ones.

Agreed to a certain extent, but the 757's cargo capacity is nothing compared to the 763's, and depending upon shipper rates, the cargo load can determine profit or loss on a flight. 763 capacity is also far greater than a 762 (8 LD2 or equivalent positions).


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3495 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
Well, FedEx is looking for RR-powered 757s, so I don't think they would really be interested.

I doubt your doubt. They operate a fleet of MD-11s with three different engine types.


User currently offlineDl_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3293 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
Well, FedEx is looking for RR-powered 757s, so I don't think they would really be interested.

I doubt your doubt. They operate a fleet of MD-11s with three different engine types.

My friend at FX told me that they are getting RR and PW ships.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3198 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
Well, FedEx is looking for RR-powered 757s, so I don't think they would really be interested

That was the original plane, but FX has found it hard to find as many RR-powered 757s as they had planned/hoped far, due to the 757's resurgence among pax airlines, so they'll now get any 757 they can get their hands on regardless of engines. Besides, for a carrier that could be looking at easily at least 100 used 757s, the cost of having different engines just pales in comparison to the money being saved on reduced fuel burn vs the 727s, not to mention the increased uplift as well.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3152 times:



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
That was the original plane, but FX has found it hard to find as many RR-powered 757s as they had planned/hoped far, due to the 757's resurgence among pax airlines, so they'll now get any 757 they can get their hands on regardless of engines. Besides, for a carrier that could be looking at easily at least 100 used 757s, the cost of having different engines just pales in comparison to the money being saved on reduced fuel burn vs the 727s, not to mention the increased uplift as well.

Also, Delta has three different types of engines on their 767s. Most of the non-ER 767-300s have GE CF6-80A engines, except for the four ETOPS aircraft, which use P&W PW4060s. Most of the older 767-300ERs also have PW4060s, while the newer 767-300ERs, the ex-Gulf Air aircraft, and all of Delta's 767-400ERs use GE CF6-80C2s. Since Delta is the world's largest operator of the Boeing 767, the costs of maintaining three engine types isn't very high for Delta.



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User currently offlineDl_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3116 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
while the newer 767-300ERs, the ex-Gulf Air aircraft, and all of Delta's 767-400ERs use GE CF6-80C2s. Since Delta is the world's largest operator of the Boeing 767, the costs of maintaining three engine types isn't very high for Delta.

The ex-GF planes are -80C2B6 non FADEC

The -400s are -80C2B8F

The others are -80C2B6F (incl 1521)



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3069 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
Since Delta is the world's largest operator of the Boeing 767, the costs of maintaining three engine types isn't very high for Delta.

No. Delta can operate various engine types because TechOps is certified in each type and doesn't have to outsource non-standard engine type maintenance/overhaul - in fact, many companies outsource TO TechOps. TechOps has the ability to perform maintenance on any 757 and 767 engine type.


User currently offlineDl_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3000 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 14):
TechOps has the ability to perform maintenance on any 757 and 767 engine type.

The -400 engines are overhauled in Taiwan by EVA.



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User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

The 767s wont be going out soon. On most routes that Delta uses them for, the aircraft are usually full. Even on the short trips from atl to florida, theyre always packed. I love those 767s. My opinion is they will keep these for a LONG time and probably add the winglets when the technology becomes available.

User currently offlineSQ25J From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Doesnt matter if a plane is "overflowing" with passengers......bottom line is yield

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2701 times:



Quoting SQ25J (Reply 17):
Doesnt matter if a plane is "overflowing" with passengers......bottom line is yield

 checkmark  Which was the case with their ATL-Florida OPS. For the most part, the planes were always full...



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