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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Let me ask you a question.

If your at the airport spotting and you get bored, what do you do ?

a) Go home

b) Talk to your friends

c) Start throwing rocks at the airport fence !!

Well option three is what a couple of so called `spotters' did at CLK yesterday. The result was that 3 (three) van loads of police arrived and spent about 30 minutes taking their ID's and checking their bags etc. Even one of the senior officers was called out.

This may have been fun for them but if this area is now closed to the public my friends and I, not to mention thousands of fishermen are going to get very pissed.

So I would like to say a big thanks for those guys and I hope this area near 25R does not get closed off !!

These guys may only want the `PERFECT' photo but its no reason to hurt the hobby for others.



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User currently offlineTk From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2008 times:

That is EXTREMELY stupid....for goodness' sake do people think before they act these days...

I'm getting pretty sick of some inconsiderate hong kong people. Usually, everyone's pretty civilized, but theres always just a few who likes to ruin it for everyone else.

If they close off that area, I'm gonna wanna know who these SOB's are.






User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

I completely agree, these guys were being immature idiots, and if the authorities clamp down on what is otherwise an innocent hobby, I will be rather eff-ing pissed off to say the least.

It reminds me of the times spotters from Manchester used to visit and trash the areas at Kai Tak, leaving rubbish everywhere, using walls as public toilets and making the authorities not like us very much. I realise that not all Manchester spotters are like that, but there are some of you out there that act like hooligans and now you have made a name for yourselves.


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Haha.

Thom@s Big grin



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User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Oh oh oh, at AMS we once had the situation some environmental activists managed to get on a KLM 767 (not in but on.. they were all sitting on top of the fuselage) by walking onto the pier from the airport terrace, result: 1,5 years long the terrace had been closed.

User currently offlineSia jubilee From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Hi Hkgspotter1,

I totally, completely agree with you.
Afraid of that the spot will be closed or be resticted.
I don't like to see or talk with those "professional photographers" but not really like airplanes.
Get their "ideal" shots is their dream. Yes, I cannot stop them or discuss about them on the board. But after the case happen on yesterday(I had be phoned at 1900hrs). I felt.....upset why those guy chose the option "c"--Start throwing rocks at the airport fence !!

Anyway, hope them can behave themselves!!

Alan



User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

I do not know their names and I don't want to.....yet.
But let me tell you, If this does get closed of I will find out their names and let you know !

CX Flyboy, Oh yes the good old days of the trips from Manchester. According to most Hong Kong Spotters (The real ones) they also cut the holes in the airport fence.


User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

One word can only describe those so-called spotters who threw rocks: IDIOTS.

I back the authorities' move, but still it's too cruel to other genuine spotters to close the area off completely. You should complain to the airport or police people explaining politely the situation.



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User currently offlineSia jubilee From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Hkgspotter1,
Yes, we did the happiness spotting at Kai Tak. Until those....came.

Oh yes! SashA, you are right! IDIOTS.
Good work to represent them.

Alan (sia jubilee)
a "Real" spotter in Hong Kong.


User currently offlineKasing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

If the gays were arrested, they must do the wrong thing.

But they were free to go.

If you only see the situation, please do guest what they said! It is not fair!


User currently offlineCxcx330 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

My GOD...

How come the 3 guys are so stupid!!??

I think AA will closed that area because they like to ban aviation fans in HK.. Before 25R was opened.. We walked on the grass near 25L.. But they.. still asked us to go away without a reasonable reason.. Now.. They know that there is a great spotting area next to 25R.. So they will close it and let us (aviation fans) to get nowhere to take photos..


User currently offlineTk From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Kasing: Ok, I stabbed you with a kife. Yet I was not arrested, so I did nothing wrong. Is this what you are saying??

Daryl, Alan and Colin, I think we really should contact the airport authorities explaining the whole situlation. If the place gets shut down, it will be a great loss to us spotters considering the already lack of places for photography at CLK.


User currently offlineSkybutt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

I hope they won't get shut down. i haven't been there for a few monthes. Maybe Cencus will be a good time there.

By the way, has anybody gone up the roof of the building next to rwy25R??


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Kasing,

A situation like this does not need people to know what was said. People saw the idiots throwing rocks at the fence. What could the excuse possibly be to make it ok??? Perhaps they were employed by someone to test airport security? Perhaps they saw a very poisonous snake climbing up the fence? There is no excuse. Who cares what was said!


User currently offlineKasing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Actually, if the guys did not throw rock to the fences, it is no way to arrest them. Think what the HKG people threw rocks in Kwun Tong Pier during spotting. Maybe some of the HKG spotters did throw.

Police would arrest the suspect if they get sufficient proof - at least witness and the CCTV tape. The police and security could watch the tape immediately. But the guys are free to go after the tape was reviewed that moment (I think because the communicate through mobile phone).

Think about the situation of that location. There is a mechanical facilities building near and access is a must to that building. Don't be too serious since there were some interactions between spotters and securities before on various location in HKG.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

...remember these are the famous people who believe that a plane on the ground is a mere car!!!!

User currently offlineSia jubilee From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Kasing,
As I know and seem that. You are one of the member of the club which those three guys joined?
As I said before, either in "airliners.net" or "world-airliners.com".
We cannot judge the case before the file closed by the lawcourt or related department. Otherwise, we are "depising court"! Illegal !!!!!!

Just like CX flyboy said "Perhaps they were employed by someone to test airport security? Perhaps they saw a very poisonous snake climbing up the fence? There is no excuse. Who cares what was said!"
Anyway, if the file of the case closed.
I can POST the photo up to the board.
Maybe we can judge then what it was happen. Smile

Alan


User currently offlineSia jubilee From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

CX flyboy,

No need to so naive with them.
"a plane on the ground is a mere car" Yes! I remember one of the caption shown under their upload.

Found that those three guys are "Kasing", "A. Mok" and a girl.
Serious!!!
Not a lie.

I will post the photo after the lawcourt/police closed the file of the case.

Alan


User currently offlineSkybutt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

REally need to wait until the file is closed? I dun think HK govn. will have time to check out photos from airliners.net.

Anyways, its shame for HK.
By the way, are they going to be charged or what? i thought they didn't get arrested.


User currently offlineWingtak88 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2000, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1806 times:


Well i think throwing stone into the sea from Kwun Tong pier is DIFFERENT from throw rocks at the fence!
People throw rocks to the sea BUT NOT TO AIRCRAFT OR AIRPORT! Especially from a Aviation lover! WHAT IS THE POINT? You love planes and the airport so you just destroy it? how about bomb it and become FBI top-ten most wanted? IDIOT!



Dear Alan,

YES YOU CAN POST THOSE PHOTOs! You are not making comments to the case while you posting those photos.
and Alan, if you really think mr. Kasing did such a thing, you can just call the police with those photos.
Those photo can be evidences to proof what you SERIOUSLY said! IT would help the police to find out the suspect who did it.

Wingtak88




User currently offlineKasing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

If I threw rock to the fences and they must have their CCTV video tape as their proof. As I listen to their conversations, not the sensors near us are activated.

As a normal practice, check ID is a "normal" procedure since the police need to know you identy.

They saw the tape and they have no further action.

Anyway, I need to share what I have done yesterday.

1. At about 3:30pm,we threw rocks for fun and not toward the fence. (As I mention, it is free to throw - think you are in the beach... no need to say more).

2. Airport Security approached us at 3:50pm

3. Police arrived at about 3:55pm. Of course they need to do their "normal".

4. Police and Securities called back to console (control) to see the CCTV record and they collected info in vicinity.

5. Since explosive matters (near chinese near) are a little common in villages in Hong Kong (of course illegel), all the bags were opened and there was NO SEARCHING by police. Only suspect would be searched by police.

6. They have no findings on the CCTV tape and there is no witness on this situation and we were free to go on 4:30pm.

I need to share what was happened yesterday since a lot of guys were trying to guest what happen in that case and they think a little bit negative. I need to say I am sorry if I make any inconvenience to anybody. But I indeed to say there is NO ATTACH ON FENCE.

Re. Alan
I think we all care about the spotting locations in HKG and please be patient since there is no rock tocuhing the fence and Gordon was nearby and you may ask him for further info. Please do not make any more guests since you were not in that sitaution. Of course it is welcomed to post any photo related to this situation, maybe more than 10 policemens around the spotting location with MP5 machine guns. If you friends (Daryl, Gordon and someone I don't know) want to be witness, they are all welcome and see what is the meaning of "depising court" you mentioned. Prosecution is the duty of Security of Justice or his/her representatives. You are welcomed to be witness if you see that situation and the suspects are prosected.

RE. SKYBUTT
If you think it is shame, show the proof. Not just say...... I think you would like to see someone is prosecuted in front of you. I recommend you to ask you teachers about the statutory procedure on arrest.

And I will not response to this post anymore since I have presented all the thing. Once again, I apologise for any inconvenience cause to anyboyd!

Of course, enjoy spotting!

Regards,

Ka-sing Down,
Hong Kong, China



User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

I don't think the police need proof, there are plenty of security cameras everywhere and I am sure that they will have this on film already.....I wasn't there, but surely this is the reason the police knew about it anyway.

User currently offlineSkybutt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Mr Kasing,
Shame....you get what it means?
OK, you are saying that you are just throwing rocks LEGALLY at the airport area, then you must have been throwing boulders for activating several police to do the NORMAL.....WOW, what a sight!! I wish I was there seeing you crack the boulders!! I will throw stones at the beach, but not really at the airport. Throwing is alright, but not stupid enough to let the police come and tell you to stop.
If the police are really doing the normal, do they need to call for assistance holding mp5's? If you say yes, then the police can be fired for doing nothing after their 3:15 teabreak.
I assume that you don't really know what shame means, after you being warned and alerting all of us that the place might be closed because of you idiots. I am sorry for saying that you are shameful for making all the trouble. Go and throw the rocks all you want. Its FREE and LEGAL, Mr Kasing.
I am not too familiar with the prosecuting progress, but I am sure the police will come when there is trouble. Maybe somebody called the police when they saw you throwing rocks...HAHA...check it out.


User currently offlineSia jubilee From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Yes Skybutt,
6 MP5 guns, what do you think...... Crying
I will be fainted immediately:-o !!??
Seem Kasing posted at 2001-02-12 15:20:22
"Them" not "us". Maybe the client(s) don't want we talk such much on "them".
But our discussion or we are very mind if the spot will be closed offically by Airport Authority Pissed. Serious! HKAA so stupid, every one know.

Let's back to the MP5's topic.
Heard that firstly was only the AA guard appear.
And they have made a negotiation with the guard before the police came.
Note that the HKAA guard is not police.
Anyway, we just talk about the spot those "photographers" disliked.
Where called no background or rolling car etc.


User currently offlineQantasA330 From Iraq, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Lets just hope that those idiots get into some big ass trouble and that they are the only ones to suffer... let the other spotters enjoy the hobby! Smile

:::QantasA330:::


25 Hkgspotter1 : I think the word Idiot just hit the nail on the head. Mr. Down, If you think that its OK to throw rocks in view of airport security and the CCTV then
26 VH-ANA : Are they really very boring?or may be they justwant to challange to HKAA.........................................
27 VH-ANA : It is very stupid that they challange to HKAA-"AA Dog",they can block there(25R)...........
28 VH-ANA : If i m the guys who throw the stones,i think i will no more brave to face all spotter in the world! they destory the "image" of HK spotter! if i m one
29 VH-ANA : If HKAA really blocked the place near 25R, Let us boycott them who sadi that they were "professional spotter"who do not have any behaviour and throw t
30 Airbus A3XX : What is the point of throwing rocks towards the fences..... If you love aviation, and I doubt you would you that crazy move! That is something only do
31 CX flyboy : Kasing, Who cares whether the police are charging you with anything or not? If you cause trouble, it doesn't matter whether it is illegal or not, the
32 Sia jubilee : If there was no stone attacked the fence. I don't believe the guard have came. Isn't this? Or all guard and policemen included 6 with the MP5 gun were
33 Skybutt : Well, not really. Police will call them off if they block the roads or throw rocks at cars~ Actually throwing rocks isn't a big deal....i also do that
34 AC826 : WOW, looks like the war has ended finally
35 Hkgspotter1 : Just hope that area is not closed. If it is trust me all hell will break lose !!!
36 Hkgspotter1 : LATEST NEWS !! Today I was back at that area and the works are near by always had a fence around it. Today the fence has been extended and the height
37 Skybutt : What?:,..... that means you can no longer walk out to the rocks??
38 AerLingus : This is the reason why spotting areas at major international airports are getting harder to come by! Meatheads with nothing better to do start throwin
39 Hkgspotter1 : THE SPOTTING LOCATION AT 25R IS STILL OPEN but the fence is getting bigger.
40 Post contains images Vngd4me : That SUCKS! I haven't been to CLK but hate to see others' favorite spotting point shut-down, it just means a few less photo's on airliners.net. I thin
41 Post contains images Aduum : don't over react. maybe the rocks damaged the fence so a new one is in order. always look on the bright side AdUuM.
42 Hkgspotter1 : Aduum, I wish that was true !!, the fence is a different location to the stone throwing (100m)
43 Red Panda : "thanx" to the stone throwers! Even tho I don't live in HK anymore, I'm still disgusted by those stone throwers. r panda
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