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Aloha Files For Ch. 11  
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21218 times:

Aloha filed for bankruptcy this afternoon......again.

http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/p...?AID=/20080320/BREAKING03/80320067

Hopefully it turns out well for AQ and its employees.

-Aloha!


Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21199 times:

Poor Aloha, best of luck to all employees!
Looks like Johnny-O succeeded in bringing down one Hawaiian carrier.
I think a merger or a sellout to Southwest or AirTran would be a smart move, giving WN or FL hawaii presence and more 73Gs.

[Edited 2008-03-20 19:33:58]

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21177 times:

This could be very bad. With credit so hard to come by for almost everything the airline will have a hard time coming up with a reorg plan. Chapter 7 could be on the horizon.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21150 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
Well, looks like Johnny-O succeeded in bringing down one Hawaiian carrier.

Yep. What an a**hole.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
I think a merger or a sellout to Southwest or AirTran would be a smart move, giving WN or FL hawaii presence and more 73Gs.

I doubt anyone would want to touch AQ with a ten-foot-pole, least of all Southwest, given what is happening inter-island these days.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
This could be very bad. With credit so hard to come by for almost everything the airline will have a hard time coming up with a reorg plan. Chapter 7 could be on the horizon.

Personally, sad as I am to say it, I don't suspect AQ will come out of this as a going concern. I just don't see it. It's bad enough that they're filing for the second time in three years - doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence in vendors, lessors and creditors - but when coupled with the ridiculous and economically unsustainable interisland fares these days, I don't see people lining up to pour money into a dying company. It's just very sad that AQ didn't outlast that piece of sh*t go!. I really wish that go! would just go! away.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21146 times:

More here in the press release
http://www.alohaairlines.com/about/press_releases.php?mode=show&ak=34

Aloha is also seeking Court approval of a cash collateral financing arrangement with its principal working capital lender, General Motors Acceptance Corporation, to provide financing for operations pending a further hearing in accordance with bankruptcy rules. In doing so, Aloha seeks to protect 3,500 jobs, honor thousands of passenger travel reservations, keep the U.S. Mail and air cargo moving between the islands, and continue to provide essential ground-handling services for domestic and international airlines serving Hawaii.

In its filing, Aloha cited its inability to generate sufficient revenues from its inter-island passenger business due to predatory pricing by Mesa Air Group's go! airline. In the highly competitive inter-island market, Aloha was forced to match go!’s below-cost fares at a time when the airline industry was facing unprecedented increases in the cost of jet fuel. Late last week, crude oil rose to an all-time record high of $111 a barrel. For Aloha that means an annual increase of $71 million in fuel expenses.

“It is a travesty and a tragedy that the illegal actions of a competitor and other factors completely beyond our control have forced us to take this action,” said David A. Banmiller, Aloha’s president and chief executive officer. “Through this filing, we hope to achieve a successful outcome that will protect the jobs of 3,500 dedicated employees who have made extraordinary sacrifices for Aloha, and to continue to earn the support of our loyal customers, business partners, vendors and financial backers.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21117 times:

Looks like they already have a lender lined up....

Quote:
Aloha is also seeking Court approval of a cash collateral financing arrangement with its principal working capital lender, General Motors Acceptance Corporation, to provide financing for operations pending a further hearing in accordance with bankruptcy rules. In doing so, Aloha seeks to protect 3,500 jobs, honor thousands of passenger travel reservations, keep the U.S. Mail and air cargo moving between the islands, and continue to provide essential ground-handling services for domestic and international airlines serving Hawaii.

from: http://www.alohaairlines.com/about/press_releases.php?mode=show&ak=34

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21070 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
This could be very bad. With credit so hard to come by for almost everything the airline will have a hard time coming up with a reorg plan. Chapter 7 could be on the horizon.


I didn't say that.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21016 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 5):
Looks like they already have a lender lined up....

It looks like GE is just giving them DIP financing to operate temporarily "pending a further hearing in accordance with bankruptcy rules." That essentially buys them time to keep operating until they get a court date, and it by no means represents exit financing provided by GE to ultimate get AQ out of bankruptcy. Once again, as I said, I - unfortunately - don't think AQ will ever even make it to that point.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6):
I didn't say that.

I'm sorry if I incorrectly cited that. I could have sworn I didn't though. A glitch with the "new and improved" A.net, perhaps?


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20953 times:

Looks like interim financing. I'd bet GMAC has the aircraft leases. If, so it is to their advantage for the time being. Everyone seems to hate Go! and Aloha is blaming them, but I remember many threads here where islanders predicted Go!s demise because everyone would stick with the Aloha spirit and service.

What happened to that? Or are Islanders just as thrifty as everyone else and in the end they voted with their pocketbook more than tradition and pride in any one airline?


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20898 times:



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 8):

What happened to that? Or are Islanders just as thrifty as everyone else and in the end they voted with their pocketbook more than tradition and pride in any one airline?

People did stick with Aloha. Their traffic did not fall. go!'s loadfactors are VERY sad Sad Its the fares that hurt AQ, not a lack of passengers.

In a worst case scenario, I think that HA would purchase Aloha's frequent Flyer Program and take on atleast its interisland operation (732s, until they could be replaced with 717s or something else)...mostly for good will and to keep Aloha's customers from defecting to a brand X.

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20861 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 9):
People did stick with Aloha. Their traffic did not fall. go!'s loadfactors are VERY sad Its the fares that hurt AQ, not a lack of passengers.

So, they would have flown Go! if they didn't match the fares? It's a no brainer to stick if fares are the same. Loyalty comes when fares are a little higher.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20808 times:
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Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 8):
I remember many threads here where islanders predicted Go!s demise because everyone would stick with the Aloha spirit and service.

What happened to that? Or are Islanders just as thrifty as everyone else and in the end they voted with their pocketbook more than tradition and pride in any one airline?

They are sticking with AQ and HA, just look at the load factors at go!. Everyone is losing money flying interisland. go! still has not had a profitable month or let alone a quarter.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20766 times:

Maybe it's just about fuel. Everyone is cutting, but if you are relying on short haul flights over a small area it is very hard to scale back to be profitable with the price they are now paying for gas.

Either way, too bad.  Sad


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20717 times:



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 10):

So, they would have flown Go! if they didn't match the fares? It's a no brainer to stick if fares are the same. Loyalty comes when fares are a little higher.

Aloha and Hawaiian usually sell out their cheapest fares ($49) and everyone after that is paying more. go! is flying 50-60% full RJs with $49 seats still available. AQ and HA are more like 75-85% full interisland.

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineRJwrench85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20543 times:



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 12):
Maybe it's just about fuel. Everyone is cutting, but if you are relying on short haul flights over a small area

On this basis did they ever have an idea of what fleet would replace the 737-200's? I know the CRJ is unprofitable but how was the 737 in comparison? Would part of the reorganization maybe address this?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20491 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
Well, looks like Johnny-O succeeded in bringing down one Hawaiian carrier.

Yep. What an a**hole.

I don't think Go! can be totally blamed for this. Their B732s should hold blame also as they arn't helping. The sooner the B732s go, and replaced either by Turbo-props or Jets between 100 and 150 seats then the better

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
This could be very bad. With credit so hard to come by for almost everything the airline will have a hard time coming up with a reorg plan. Chapter 7 could be on the horizon.



I didn't say that.

Does it really matter if someone didn't say something, but was quoted as saying it?


User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20453 times:

How about United, US or DL buying AQ and telling the a-hole he either dismantels Go or loses all their connection flying? That industry idiot needs a severe kick in the nuts.

[Edited 2008-03-20 20:55:26]

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20455 times:

Hawaiian Airlinews should start talking to Bangkok Airways very soon. (Hint they are disposing of a certain aircraft that sold 156 frames)

User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20441 times:

One of the things HA does that I think is very good for them is the insane amount of rules and non-refundable penalties HA has for their super inexpensive fares inter-island. At the end of the day, I think if AQ would only focus on inter-island instead of also the flights to the mainland, they might have a better chance. But, it is what it is and I am certain AQ will not be the only carrier to go back to Bankruptcy court to stay alive. Maybe if AQ disposed of the 737-200's and flew their newer 737's interisland that would help.

From a perceptional perspective, I would rather get on a newer 717 than be on a 100,000 + cycle 737-200 any day of the week and again on Sunday.

Regardless, AQ has a history in the islands and some very good people making it work everyday. Good luck to AQ.

Mahalo,
BP1



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User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20373 times:
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Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 10):
Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 9):
People did stick with Aloha. Their traffic did not fall. go!'s loadfactors are VERY sad Its the fares that hurt AQ, not a lack of passengers.

So, they would have flown Go! if they didn't match the fares? It's a no brainer to stick if fares are the same. Loyalty comes when fares are a little higher.

Pricing in every industry is a tough one. But go! capacity is pretty limited. I'm not sure I would have matched the price, perhaps moved down or done so with carefully set conditions. Better to fly a bit lighter than every seat at a loss.


User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20374 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Yep. What an a**hole.

Careful what you say about a certain someone. You might get sued.


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20290 times:

Its a shame - Aloha is a fantastic airline with sweet service and always had reasonable fares. The go! issue makes me ill, but I guess that's our capitalistic, moneythirsty society at work eh?

I do feel like the predatory pricing issue should have been dealt with though - what do you guys think? I mean truly, go! could not have dreamed of making money at those fares using the equipment they've been using. Why didn't this get labeled as predatory? What went wrong here - I don't know much about the case and would appreciate some intelligent insight!



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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20230 times:

The go! issue is playing itself out in the islands. The company has sleeping pilots, owes HA some $80 Million for porn and little CRJ's flying out of the end of the HNL terminal, I am surprised they are still in the market right now.

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20214 times:

I honestly don't see them coming through either. I think what hurt them a lot besides fuel and go! was relying too much on interisland for revenue. In the news tonight, they said AQ relies on about 50% of their business in the interisland sector. As a comparison, I think HA said recently that interisland represents about 30% of the business and shrinking. If AQ had hedged on more business in the transpac and international market like HA did, they could have weathered the storm that is the interisland market better.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
I think a merger or a sellout to Southwest or AirTran would be a smart move, giving WN or FL hawaii presence and more 73Gs.

I doubt anyone would want to touch AQ with a ten-foot-pole, least of all Southwest, given what is happening inter-island these days.

I agree, but on a longshot, I think that UA would be better off stepping in than WN and FL given they are already a minority partner in AQ. In the news tonight as well, UA will be a creditor of AQ in this new bankruptcy proceeding as AQ owes UA $5.5 million. I don't know if UA would want to do this though or is in the right shape itself to absorb AQ.


User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20108 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 21):
I do feel like the predatory pricing issue should have been dealt with though - what do you guys think? I mean truly, go! could not have dreamed of making money at those fares using the equipment they've been using. Why didn't this get labeled as predatory? What went wrong here - I don't know much about the case and would appreciate some intelligent insight!

It's pretty easy, every single other case of "perceived" predatory pricing is by the incumbent carrier pricing below cost to put a new entrant carrier out of business. There is not one case of accusatory predatory pricing where the new entrant is being accused of such practices. It will be virtually impossible to prove this is the case, as it is a proven, time honored condition in virtually all industries that a product is priced below cost at the start to build marketshare, and at which point prices rise. There is no way to get marketshare this day and age of airlines without a price edge, especially when the product of a CR2 is no better than the other products.

One can argue that the increase in capacity by AQ & HA of 15% each to match the early morning and late evening go! flights actually caused go! to alter their revenue management model, therefore creating a glut of lower priced fares. For anyone that has been in RM/YM for an airline, a pricing model of $39, $49, $59, $69 & $77 would yield an average fare in the $55 dollar range, which is what AQ, HA & YV have all said they need to be profitable (before fuel was @ $60-$70). This is a case where the demand never came clsoe to the increase in supply. Total inter-island supply increase about 18%, while total traffic increased only 6%. This leads to a need to be much more aggressive with YM and sales to fill seats. As for actual LFs, I dont have access to T100 data anymore, but for a 5-6 month period, AQ always had a 4-5% high LF than go!, and HA was about 10-12% above go!. Their avg fares were a bit higher, roughly $3-$6 higher, mainly due to the high LFs and correspondingly higher sales in higher buckets (ie the fuller the planes, the higher the fare unless YM isnt doing their jobs).

I'm not necessarily supporting anyone in this case, but this would be the argument in court by go! and it would be very hard to show that they were doing anything beyond normal practices of trying to gain market share. For example, back in 2005 when WN starting flying PIT-PHL, the lowest fare was $49 oneway and was pretty common to show up in their DING! fares. Before they started it was above $200. Was WN predatory? No they acquired market share, then it became much more difficult to find those $49 fares after a few years and now it rarely shows up on DING!.

As for the reason why i say "perceived" predatory pricing above is because there has never been a successful case of proven predatory pricing in the airline industry. The airline that is accusing the other of predatory pricing usually dies before the trial goes anywhere (ie Vanguard, ProAir, Legend, etc).


25 Ha763 : There are no turbo-props with the combined pax and cargo capacity needed by AQ and HA. As for new jets, it may be a bit more fuel efficient, but with
26 Watchandlearn : It wouldn't shock me to see Alaska Air Group make some sort of move for Aloha (or its assets) at some point. The carrier just started flying to Hawaii
27 RJ777 : Unlike the rest of you, when I saw this thread I was like, "WOAH! Where did that come from?"
28 Ikramerica : AQ was obviously cheating Hawaiians. That's what we heard, and how the Go! fares were bringing fairness back. Of course, that only leads to AQ failing
29 Watchandlearn : How could this be unexpected? When you have a fleet of about 30 aircraft and you continaully take a quarter-over-quarter loss of $1 M per aircraft the
30 B6FA4ever : so the article said that AQ is filing for its 2nd bankruptcy in 3 yrs. kinda off topic though, but what was the time gap between US Airways 2 Ch 11's?
31 RJwrench85 : Aug 2002 and Sep 2004 Per their respective websites Aloha Aircraft:26 Employees:3,500 Hawaiian Aircraft:29 Employees:3,438 I would have to say the fl
32 Imapilotaz : Keep in mind AQ makes a ton of money with their AGS (Aloha Ground Services) which handles about half the mainland/Japanese flights for other airlines
33 MasseyBrown : This is sad to see, I had hoped Mesa would precede AQ into bankruptcy. Their (AQ's) antitrust suit will proceed anyway; may they be as successful as H
34 HNL-Jack : Sad news, but not unexpected. The AQ business model calling for 737-700's serving the mainland was faulted from the very start. The aircraft simply do
35 SpencerII : A few years back, AQ did try to diversify a little, and applied for a slot on Orange County to Reagan, and at that time, it looked like they may be d
36 Columba : I woud think Q400s or ATR 72s would be the best solution for interisland flights. But if they are too small the only aircraft I can think of would be
37 EXAAUADL : no it wouldnt, at least from FL or WN perspective.....
38 Post contains images NWAESC : Well put! Seriously though, I wonder how their (AQ's) antitrust suit against Go! will help/hinder them in all this? I can't say I was suprised that i
39 TVNWZ : Apparently, not enough.
40 Isitsafenow : I like what you usually have to say, but this time I don't agree. AQ can now be had for a song. You do an assets only purchase and its a steal..i.e.
41 TVNWZ : 737-200's. Who would want them as a a part of their fleet.? Otherwise, what assets? And those 200's are probably already encumbered.
42 Isitsafenow : Wee, you see, there is a hell of lot more to buying an airline then airplanes. You get the routes and put whatever equipment you have on them and bui
43 Bobnwa : Maybe I am wrong but I don't think any airport aloha flies to is slot controlled.
44 Commavia : There's a reason it can be "had for a song." The reason is that there isn't a buyer. Nobody wants it. It doesn't have a big value proposition, becaus
45 Watchandlearn : Several airlines have similar operations. To determine the appropriate number of employees, it would seem far more sensible to look at ASMs compared
46 TVNWZ : Go! managed to do it without buying anyone. There are no slots. Counter space would be accomodated anyway. You can hire other people. Ground equipmen
47 Imapilotaz : Remember in 2000 when they acquired TWA, the nation's airspace was in meltdown with the worst flight delays in history, ORD was a parking lot 15 hour
48 Avek00 : To blame this mostly on go! is misleading -- the traffic and yields in the interisland market were crumbling long before go! came on the scene, and Al
49 Arrow : Does this affect Island Air? Are they still a subsidiary of Aloha or did they get spun off? I must admit, I always use Island Air for inter island fli
50 Ha763 : Incorrect. The interisland market shrank, but the numbers are pretty stable now. As for yields, the interisland market was breakeven/slightly profita
51 HNL-Jack : Despite the fact that AQ and HA had rapidly raised interisland fares prior to go!, AQ's financial condition was not improving rapidly enough to avoid
52 SCXmechanic : This guy has a proven track record of cleaning up airlines and prepairing them for sale. I think this could be one of the reasons the BOD at Aloha br
53 F9Animal : This is somewhat hard to imagine. I mean, I can accept what he is known for, but at the same time, painful to know what may be in store for Aloha. Yo
54 Aloha73G : Interestingly, its almost exactly 5 years since Hawaiian declared bankruptcy for the 2nd time in March 2003, at the time mostly due to high fuel price
55 Mariner : SNA? mariner
56 Cubsrule : AA does route traffic over STL to relieve ORD some; I'd say AA came out ahead, in the midwest at least, by purchasing TW. STL succeeds, albeit at a m
57 Aviacentre : Ouch...sorry to hear this. I still remember the day a few years ago when I started the thread "Aloha emerges from Ch. 11". Hopefully I can do that aga
58 Davidlc3 : One topic that I have not seen discussed concerning AQ is their labor contracts. I am only familiar with the FA contract which was above and beyond an
59 SANFan : Very sad news. As has been said already by some, not the only Chapter 11 (or Chapter 7 either) we will see this year. I don't see a happy ending for t
60 Orion737 : Good luck to Aloha. Hope to see them survive these times. I would love to kick Go!'s a** out of Alohas backyard and remove this persistent, troublesom
61 Davidlc3 : Could not agree more. Go's entrance into the HI market is nothing but mean spirited and unsportsman like. There is not a need for a 3rd (actually 4th
62 Post contains images Lightsaber : Its sad to see an airline enter bankruptcy. Unfortunately, high oil prices and a recession are going to impact all airlines. Personally, I've never f
63 Mariner : I don't think they are worth anything. Don't they have to revert to the airport if they are not used? But - they are slots. mariner
64 TVNWZ : I don't know. Competition is always there, in every business, all the time. The strong and adaptable survive, The weak go home. Business is not a hol
65 Post contains links Aloha73G : http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/p...?AID=/20080321/BREAKING03/80321040 Aloha in talks to sell all or parts of company. Yucaipa has invested over $1
66 HAL : Not true. Both HA and AQ had increasing interisland yields and loads before Go! entered the market. I work for HA and clearly remember the CEO's comm
67 Aloha73G : My prediction is that Hawaiian buys Aloha (atleast the interisland operation) at a good price. I've been an advocate of an AQ/HA merger since 9/11. -A
68 TVNWZ : My bet: someone will be buying "certain assets." much like the AA/TWA.deal. Can the new guy be a predator? I have never heard that one argued. I have
69 Post contains images TVNWZ : Agreed
70 Post contains links Aloha73G : http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=6866 The related story from the Star Bulletin -Aloha!
71 HAL : Nope, nope, nope. Sorry to say, I honestly don't think AQ provides anything we need or can afford. The 732's are a new type for us, expensive to fuel
72 Commavia : Again, why would HA want to buy into a money-losing, fundamentally-flawed business model like AQ? Probably 79% of which will just be carried by HA if
73 TVNWZ : I feel bad for them.
74 Maverick623 : Right, so the interisland market is historically a crappy one. Go! is just the scapegoat. A whopping 200 seats did not cause this.
75 Lightsaber : I'm not sure... Hawaiian doesn't have the funds to pay any premium. Since most of Aloha's business would fall into their lap anyway, why pay for it?
76 HAL : Again, nope. Problem still exists. AQ uses dedicated cargo 732's for flying cargo interisland. Most of the pallets & cargo can't be carried in the be
77 Aloha73G : To get Aloha's market share. Where else is HA goign to get aircraft/employees that can operate 100+ daily interisland flights. If they did, I suspect
78 A330323X : Most hazmat can indeed be carried on passenger planes, the airline and employees just needs the proper training and licenses, which aren't cheap. (Fo
79 777ER : If AQs suit goes ahead against Go! then I honestly think AQ will use Go! as the scape goat for ALL their problems, just to ensure a win for AQ, even
80 HAL : No, it can't. Not the type of hazmat normally carried by all-cargo aircraft, which is banned from ALL passenger airplanes. I worked for HP for a few
81 Ikramerica : Yep. And as the yields increased, you had Hawai'ians, used to lower fares, saying it was unfair how they were being gouged by AQ and HA. Many a nativ
82 Baw716 : It would seem the general consensus on this forum is that AQ will go Ch 7. My question has to do with the more immediate (7-14 days) situation of Aloh
83 HNL-Jack : Rumor this afternoon has it that Southwest has been approached by GE on behalf of AQ on the acquisition of the B-737-700's and certain mainland - Hawa
84 Commavia : The financing from GE is the DIP financing that will keep them going until they can get more firm plans in place for the next step - i.e., acquisitio
85 Jetdeltamsy : This is very bad for Aloha. I see the nails in the coffin already. I hope they can pull through this. go! needs to be severely chastised (financially)
86 Aloha73G : Short Term Financing (Debtor-In-Posession) has already been approved by the Judge. Please see the news stories linked above. Aloha will be operating
87 Post contains images Lightsaber : Oh my... tough question. Its one thing for us to play armchair CEO and another to make predictions like that. Looking at www. iflygo.com they can buy
88 HA_DC9 : I agree with HAL. I think the only thing that HA would even consider is the ground handling business. No AQ aircraft involved there, just people and
89 SpencerII : those locals who are loyal to HA & AQ could still pay 200% fare, to prove their loyalty & set out to save a sinking ship.
90 GARUDAROD : Doesnt Kalitta have two B727F based in HNL??? I'm sure a couple of extra trips a day could be arranged to pick up the backlog if AQ's freighter fleet
91 TVNWZ : For the life of me, I can not see what "inside information" they took advantage of. Go! needed the inside scoop to figure out that $25 dollar fares a
92 FlyIGuy : What about the fact that United Airlines owns a good amount of shares and holds a seat on their board of directors....how will all that effect this b
93 Aloha73G : Not anymore. They used, but left a few years ago. At that time Aloha became the only interisland cargo airline and devoted their 732QCs to cargo only
94 HAL : No, they don't. The only Kalitta aircraft in HNL is the regular 747F from the mainland. The 'inside information' is the confidential data Mesa got to
95 AirTran737 : Actually most HAZMAT can be carried on passenger aircraft. Granted the quantities are reduced, but they still can go. You are way off on saying that
96 Lightsaber : Very limited, but possible. The cargo niche won't go unfilled for very long. There are enough freighters that could be pressed into Hawaiian service
97 HNL-Jack : KITV in Honolulu just reported that AQ had entered into a deal with UA with UA owning the airline, but continuing to operate it as AQ. According to th
98 Pohakuloa : with the two above quotesa, i myself have furnished a possible (yet slightly zany) theory that i actually dont mind people ripping apart to shred and
99 Post contains images FRNT787 : No responsible business should play to "sportsmanlike" rules and be good spirited. It is their fiscal responsibliity to act on any low risk (or moder
100 HAL : Are those of you with this sentiment actually from Hawaii? Have you been reading the papers and financial reports regularly for several years? Are yo
101 HNL-Jack : Yes to all your questions. And with all due respect, AQ's problems were present prior to the arrival of go!. Their entry into the market quickly reve
102 SCXmechanic : None of WN's 737's are NOT set up for extended over-water ops of which dual aircraft batterys, HF radios and a host of other equiptment are required.
103 CitrusCritter : Assuming Chapter 7, spinning of Aloha Cargo would seem to the best fit. Though there are certainly enough cargo carriers in this country that will se
104 VictorKilo : I think this may be the biggest reason why Aloha is in bankruptcy again. Yes, go! harmed AQ, both due to legal good old fashioned competition and to
105 Wedgetail737 : Between TZ and AQ, OAK could go from several flights to HI to NO flights to HI in a hurry.
106 777fan : AQ hosted an E-190 appearance at HNL a couple of years ago but (obviously) nothing came of it. Hmm...ya think UA (and its stake in AQ/seat on the BoD
107 EXAAUADL : who is the SD-330 operator in Hawaii carrying cargo?
108 Post contains images FRNT787 : Notice I did not bash Hawaiian, as I believe that they have a successful business plan, and are implementing it (such as a desire to dramatically exp
109 JayinKitsap : 200 seats at 1 hr segments (Take off to Take off) x 16 hours/day is 3,200 seats for the day. Aloha has around 10 737-200 with 127 seats that are on i
110 777fan : Interesting thought: looking back, I wonder what would've happened if AQ had introduced new a/c into their fleet, say, circa 2003-2004? Would they ha
111 SpencerII : This has been true for years, and Aloha has failed to pony up to any expansion outside the emphasis on Hawaii. As many airlines on the mainland have
112 HNL-Jack : Couldn't agree more.
113 Post contains images 777fan : Well said. In AQ's defense, they attempted to expand to a limited number of Pacific destinations not long ago but by then - IIRC - they were already
114 Post contains images Malaysia : Hope its just about 717s not fare structures (PG fares are terrible compared and dont discount very easily on competing routes, and love having monop
115 GARUDAROD : Has the SuperFerry had any impact on Inter-island travel and would it become a viable alternative for the carriage of cargo? How many seats a day do t
116 Aloha73G : When HA started mainland flying in the 1980s it was a financial disaster and in part led to its 1st bankruptcy in the early 1990s. through that entir
117 SpencerII : Obviosuly they didn't do so well! Their losses were accumlating long before go! ever was even thought about.
118 HNL-Jack : Perhaps another reason for not acquiring larger aircraft and entering markets that could have provided greater numbers was the fact that AQ didn't wa
119 Davidlc3 : Not entirely true. When I was on assignment at AQ they were in the midst of launching a number of new South-Pac flights (ROR, some of the island hopp
120 Davidlc3 : Sorry to post twice in a row here but my mind kept going after the last post.... Can someone shed some light on the ownership history of AQ? I seem to
121 Aloha73G : During their 1st Bankruptcy, they showed operating profits once their cost cuts went into effect, and in the final month before go! (May 2006) they a
122 TVNWZ : Yes, I know the theory. But, I am talking reality. What was that "inside information" that Go! needed to say "Hey $25 fares! Brilliant!" It is not a
123 Aloha73G : AQ was owned mostly by the Ing and Ching Families since it went private. They did not prevent expansion, in fact they were advocates of and financed
124 Aloha73G : The BIG issue, as HAL pointed out, is that Mesa signed no-compete agreements with both AQ and HA, which they violated. They also lied and destroyed e
125 TVNWZ : So, Go! needed the Aloha traffic projections to figure out they needed to go to $25 fares? Interesting. I understand the ethics of what they did. Jus
126 Davidlc3 : Thank you! All I had was a sketchy memory but remembered that that family(ies) owned the line which changed the dynamics...but my knowledge went sket
127 Aloha73G : No, they thought they needed $39 fares...which wasn't low enough.....$29 wasn't either...or $19. Only in months when they offered $9 fares did their
128 SpruceMoose : Perhaps looking at the books showed Mesa just how much or little margin HA and AQ had for survival. Knowing just how much tolerance your competitor h
129 Val : Does anyone know how many flight attendants Aloha has and what the average seniority is of their work force?
130 Orion737 : I believe Aloha cabin crew are on average very long serving. they have been doing the 732 inter island hops for lierally decades.
131 Post contains links Viscount724 : Like this Aloha flight attendant who retired late last year at age 69 after 50 years service. http://youtube.com/watch?v=uWaCzgNmJQ4&feature=related
132 AirTranTUS : Some thoughts: If HA does buy AQ Interisland, they should dump the oldest and crappiest 732's to reduce capacity. This will increase load factor on th
133 Aloha73G : They have a little less than 400. The top 120 or so have 20+ years (top of the pay scale) The 200 at the bottom were hired in 1998 or later, when the
134 Aloha73G : Again, a HUGE portion of AQ's employees service other airlines flights, which is why their overall employee count is about the same. Aloha is the lar
135 Orion737 : I would be very sad to see Aloha name dissapear and the experience derived from longevity of service from the cabin crew is invaluable and should be r
136 777ER : Not really true. Even thou AQ and HA might have 'well served' the Islands, with their lowest fares at the point of where they make a profit (around $
137 Aloha73G : Airlines are not a charity, they are a business. If you can't afford to go on vacation, you shouldn't go. OK....so thats what happened in New Zealand
138 Imapilotaz : Here's the funny thing, most people that dont actively work in an airline's planning or capacity planning department, they have no idea that virtuall
139 Baw716 : Lightsaber - I agree with you...and have spoken to my friends last night and I purchased tickets for them on HA. Since they MUST get to HNL the am of
140 777ER : I never said airlines are a charity, but there are other people who use these forums who believe airlines should fly certain routes. If further compe
141 Post contains links Aloha73G : http://www.alohaairlines.com/about/press_releases.php There is a Press Release about their DIP Financing being approved. There is also a Link on the
142 Post contains links HNL-Jack : Bankruptcy judge limits the use of funds to continue operation to only ten days. Next hearing on March 31. Sounds like the pressure is on Banmiller to
143 777ER : Well these two comments below seem to kill your comment as it seems to show that the Inter-Island operations were making money and with good loads be
144 Aloha73G : Not true. the fares were not "rapidly raised" before go!. Since the elimination of flight coupons in 2002/2003 fares had been stable between $65 and
145 HNL-Jack : I believe you need to go back and check. Average fare was approaching $80 OW with walk up fares as high as $129 OW. The increases were from an averag
146 777ER : Yields were up only means one thing, pax were paying more for their tickets due to less cheaper tickets. Profits are only made with high yields. Busi
147 Aloha73G : After 9/11 the fares did jump from ~$50 to $80+, BUT by 2004 they had dropped back into the $60-80 range. Hardly a rapid rise, and completely unrelat
148 777ER : Yes I do know, yield is actually part of economics and not maths. For an airline to make a profit on a flight, they need to sell seats at a high cost
149 Aloha73G : OK...you don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. $75 revenue - $65 cost = $10 profit $65 revenue - $50 cost = $15 profit The above example is
150 777ER : Mate, did you study economics at school? Revenue and yeild is economics and NOT maths, but yes maths does come in as you need to use it to work out y
151 Davidlc3 : Okay boys...let's look at this a different way... Some of y'all are incredibly adept and knowledgeable so I'm going to challenge you to find some info
152 777fan : HA seems to be quite happy with their 717 interisland fleet (I know I was as a pax); I highly doubt they'd want to take on any of AQ's 732s because t
153 HNL-Jack : Sad as the subject of this thread may be, it's interesting to see the passion connected with the local Hawaii market. In my opinion at least, AQ has r
154 Orion737 : I would hate to loose Aloha. especially before Go! goes! It would be sickening to think of their smile at seeing Aloha and their beautiful old 732s an
155 Post contains links Aloha73G : Yes I majored in Finance, and you need to do math to solve simple equations like the one I mentioned. Economics is bound by the laws of mathematics,
156 Post contains links 777fan : Ugh...I've been saying that for over a year now!!! From the carrier's perspective, mainland markets have a larger populace to draw from and can absor
157 Ha763 : The price for coupons, which was how 99% of interisland market flew, was already $50 when I started working for the airlines in 2000 and usually rose
158 Ikramerica : Not only that, but they point to the time of the last AQ/HA fare war as the "right" price that all else must be compared to, a price that was LOSING
159 HNL-Jack : Although HA did discontinue coupons, my company regularly bought AQ coupons, which were available for under $50 from Regal Travel. AQ was already des
160 777fan : I wouldn't worry about HA - they've won people over both within the Islands and on the mainland. If WN were to dive in, I'm confident that HA would p
161 Commavia : I don't think Hawaiian is going anywhere. From my perspective, it has always been the superior airline in terms of management and operations. Nothing
162 Hawaiian717 : Personally, I would think that the parts of AQ that HA would be most interested in acquiring would be the ground handling business and AlohaPass. The
163 Bennett123 : Essentially operates in 3 markets. Hawaii to elsewhere Pax, this market is surely similar to many other airlines that fly transcon. The cargo market t
164 CitrusCritter : 732s are operated only inter-island, where they compete against HA's 717s and Go!'s CR2s as well as various prop aircraft -- Island Air runs Q100/Q20
165 HNL-Jack : Expect an announcement this week on the disposition of the "parts" of AQ.
166 Cubsrule : I'm not sure the CR7 is the cure for the interisland market (CRJs certainly are not, and the CR7 is only marginally better). The 190 might be, but it
167 MBJ2000 : Let me tell you my little story: I flew to Hawaii one month ago, I tried first to book my flights online with HA, didn't work, they accept only US bas
168 Joeljack : What's the cost per seat mile of operating at CR2 vs 717 vs 732? Maybe Aloha just needs some Q400's for the less popular short flights and then E190 o
169 Cubsrule : Are we sure that assumption is true with respect to the 732s? At NW, for instance, the Airbus narrowbodies have worse dispatch reliability than the -
170 SpencerII : This is typical of a company operating with a 60"s 70"s & 80"s mentality. AQ has always been behind the times. (Their website today is even reminisce
171 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Above, there some bashing a Aloha management. Didn't I read where "your pal and mine" Gordon Bethune was appointed Chairman of the Board at Aloha in t
172 HNL-Jack : He was, but has been almost invisable. He was, but has been almost invisable.
173 Rjm717 : Not true. I booked the family in Jan 06 HNL-KOA-HNL on Hawaiian and paid for the whole thing on my Australian based bank Visa card. R
174 Post contains links HNL-Jack : Saltchuk Resources who owns Northern Air Cargo based in Anchorage, Alaska's largest all-cargo airline and Young Brothers Tug and Barge in Honolulu ann
175 Flightopsguy : Jack, Aloha from snowy Chicagoland where a fresh 2 inches of snow are on the ground! Could not find the exact link on the Star Bulletin website. But i
176 Surfrider1978 : How soon can we see a cease of operations? I would like to see WN jump in and take over the pax opeartions, buy ATA's commercial ops and 738's and use
177 Aloha73G : I would think that AS and HA are much more likely candidates to purchase the passenger operations than WN is. HA might be interested in the Contract
178 Bicoastal : I can't believe United let Mesa get away with its destruction of the inter-Hawaii market and the trouble for Aloha. UA owns a huge chunk of Aloha. And
179 Commavia : I'm pretty sure that sort of tit-for-tat inside collusion would have been illegal. Within the domestic United States, carriers can not coordinate wit
180 United_Fan : What i don't understand is Mesa. Why would you allow such a small operation 3,000 miles away from where you usually fly lose $1 Million a month? Does
181 LAXintl : UA has zero money invested in Aloha -- they were given a minority ownership share in the airline for free, in return for a broader commercial relatio
182 Dahawaiian : I talked to an AQ pilot today and he basically blamed Go for AQ's problems. He is selling his house and moving to California regardless of the outcome
183 Maverick623 : I call BS on the part of the AQ pilot: Go! just put the final nail in the coffin, and since Mesa bashing seems to be in vogue, they get the crap for
184 Post contains links Aloha73G : Why? Aloha has 4 main parts of its business: 1. Interisland Air Cargo: Profitable 2. Trans-Pacific Passenger Service: Profitable 3. Contract Services
185 Dsuairptman : How will this Bankruptcy filling affect the Aloha vs. MAG lawsuit? Serious answers only, please!
186 Post contains links HAL : http://www.khon2.com/news/local/17039481.html Almost certainly the 737-200 cargo aircraft Aloha is already using. It's one of the few areas where AQ
187 T prop : What about the stage 3 noise exemption? From what I understand the exemption was for operators in Hawaii who were using stage 2 aircraft on a certain
188 Asuflyer05 : I'm hearing the same thing. 4 weeks and it's done.
189 HNL-Jack : I've not been privy to anything except that the airline would be sold for its parts and that the announcements would be forthcoming this week. Based
190 MBJ2000 : Yes it's true! Try to choose any other country than US,Australia,Canada and Philippines. It's just plain stupid to limit the choice to only these cou
191 United_Fan : Probably more like their credit card company wants to charge AH a higher (much?) % to use cards from other countries ?
192 TVNWZ : You are supposing all things would be static. They have not been. if go! can send Aloha into virtual Chapter 7, that airline was headed there eventua
193 Surfrider1978 : Who's to say that A- WN can keep former AQ 732's on interisland flying or B- WN only operates island-mainland service and abandons the interisland fo
194 Watchandlearn : Have every reason to believe AS is ready to take over some of AQ's routes should they go under. AS has many MVP Golds in California wanting AS servic
195 Surfrider1978 : They have a damn good product, reasonable fares, and excellent customer service. Should they ever fly there I would be one of many who would regularl
196 Orion737 : Does anyone in hawai have any affection or loyalty for the name of Aloha? I dont live there but would be near to tears if we lost the Aloha name. I ha
197 PlanesNTrains : Sometimes businesses make these choices if the cost of doing business this way outweights the benefit. If they only earn $1 on an interisland ticket
198 Watchandlearn : You overlook several key reasons why Southwest won't be flying to or in the Aloha state anytime soon: 1) No ETOPS aircraft (unless somehow they acqui
199 Surfrider1978 : Like HA? Who was $400 higher from the fare i purchased? UA and AA being $ 350 higher?
200 Aloha73G : If all the airlines had expensive fares, you were trying to come during a busy period. Try other dates, a different departure city, or save your penn
201 Watchandlearn : And you think you won't be paying the same fares with WN if they flew to Hawaii? It's a 5 to 6 hour flight that requires a full belly of fuel. Someho
202 Surfrider1978 : Duh...I understand that. I booked on WN a la ATA for under $300, delta wa only $60 more. Now why the huge difference between HA and the other carrier
203 Watchandlearn : (1) When did you go? (2) Where did you fly from? (3) When did you book your ticket? All three are relevant questions that would explain why you paid
204 PlanesNTrains : And there's the rub. You aren't the only one who's cash-strapped, so to speak. The airlines are feeling the pain, and it's likely only going to get w
205 Aloha73G : If HA was priced at $675 then their plane was almost full. Considering that they offer the best inflight service, it is not surprising that they woul
206 Post contains links HNL-Jack : Saltchuk offers thirteen million dollars for the AQ freight operation, would acquire the five 732 aircraft used for interisland freight and use of the
207 Aloha73G : Just to clarify, they are 737-200s (732), and there are 6. 5 Pure Cargo and 1 QC which are all used for AQ's ~25 daily cargo flights. As a sidenote,
208 TVNWZ : Bargain basement price for a division of Aloha that is making money. Good deal. Better close quick before someone else steps up.
209 Laxintl : And 4 are required for the Sun-Fri for the cargo schedule of 36 late afternoon/nightime flights at the moment A number I would be a little leery of.
210 CitrusCritter : Allow me to throw out an admittedly wild idea...What we don't know is how big the losses are interisland and whether a 717 on the route instead of a
211 Aloha73G : Hadn't thought of that, but not a bad idea. It would definately be an easy way to get 717s. Would also give FL a larger western presence, which might
212 Surfrider1978 : Now that is an extremely wild, but far far fetched idea. Where would FL pull it's feed with such a miniscule west coast operation? F9, still wild but
213 CitrusCritter : Now admittedly I said it was out there. But AQ's trans-pac operation is apparently profitable, so presumably it would remain so. The main thing is ge
214 Surfrider1978 : No, for sure, thats what this forum is all about. We all have some crazy ideas and how we would fix things if it were in our hands.
215 Post contains images CitrusCritter : Well ok then. So we've also heard on here that AQ wanted to do expansion but couldn't afford new aircraft. Obviously FL has more on order than they k
216 Surfrider1978 : it is definately a great idea and i would be all for it, if only FL had a larger west coast presence. Now should AQ go kaput...FL would be smart to ju
217 Post contains images CitrusCritter : AQ has that presence in terms of the access to airports. And given the talk on this board about their desire to diversify into some mainland flying,
218 777ER : Would those B732s be able to make the mainland with cargo?
219 United_Fan : I doubt it. I bet they need ferry tanks to make it empty,but what do I know ?
220 Laxintl : No and they would need hushkits anyway to operate at mainland airports for revenue operations.
221 Post contains images SANFan : You forgot one station that BOTH AQ and FL currently serve (besides LAS which is only served as a tag-on from OAK by Aloha): San Diego. AQ has 2 dail
222 Mariner : Airtran would achieve it in a nano-second if the full code share with Frontier is instituted. The present FF alliance between the two airlines would
223 HAL : It's called yield management, and as someone earlier pointed out, it's how airlines boost profits (what little they make). If there's only a few seat
224 Aloha73G : Exactly, theres a reason WN abandoned most of its trans-cons recently. With their costs and revenue model they do best on short to medium length flig
225 Post contains links UA2162 : Here's the latest... http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacif...2008/03/24/daily48.html?jst=b_ln_h Fair use except: "Hawaii lawmakers on Friday introduced
226 TVNWZ : This, my friends, is the heart of the problem. Let the patient die a graceful death. Instead we have Terri Schiavo in the form of an airline.
227 HNL-Jack : If this is what our Hawaii State legislature does, they should consider legislation for the hundreds of companies in Hawaii whos biills went unpaid i
228 TVNWZ : Well said!
229 Aloha73G : It wasn't originally for HA. It is modeled after a 1993 bill intended to help HA.... back when HA was poorly managed and bleeding money on its mainla
230 HNL-Jack : Actions by the Hawaii State legislature today more than likely giving Aloha additional time to negotiate with outside interests and importantly delay
231 Aloha73G : Also saw the Hawai'i Congressional Delegation on the news (Rep. Abercrombie) saying that they want the Dept. of Justice to investigate Mesa/go! for pr
232 Post contains images Aloha717200 : This is excellent news. Also, as I understand it, Hawaii lawmakers are trying to pass legislation that would waive the fuel excise tax in Hawaii, whic
233 LAXintl : Impossible -- AQ does not even have $1 Billion in annual revenues. The proposed bill would benefit Hawaiian and go! as well as it would waive the exc
234 FreequentFlier : Yes, this is precisely why the industry is so screwed up right now. Where the market produces failed airlines, the politicians will be there to ensur
235 Lightsaber : Wow... all this will do is drop the airfaires a little bit until weakest link drops out. Go and Hawaiian have already committed to more flights. Its
236 Aloha73G : It would save Aloha about $7 million each year. Aloha and Hawaiian have been campaigning for this one for years. WHY? Because airlines flying to main
237 Post contains links LAXintl : $3.5mil according to the Senate. http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=8082090 Basically a subsidy residents of Hawaii get to foot.
238 HNL-Jack : You got that right!
239 A330323X : US Airways has flown over a few dozen customer service agents and ramp agents to Hawaii so that it can handle its own flights in the event of an Aloha
240 HNL-Jack : According to news reports from a couple of independent polls, over 50% of the taxpayers in Hawaii don't want the state to guarantee loans for the AQ.
241 CitrusCritter : What do you want to bet that the public will be mad as h--- when their flights get canceled in a week because AQ shuts down. Then they'll be blaming
242 HNL-Jack : Could very well be, but I doubt it, there should be enough seats in the market to accommodate everyone. If there is reaction, it will be out of anger
243 BAW716 : I made a post on another forum a couple of days ago in which I stated an opinion that the State of Hawaii would get involved, because interisland air
244 TVNWZ : Aren't the EAS contracts put out for bid? Who says AQ would win the contract?
245 Imapilotaz : Most people don't understand the EAS program and there are alot of nuances to it. Here are some reasons why the traditional EAS program will not step
246 HNL-Jack : Word just out...AQ has ceased operations. More information to come.
247 Post contains links HNL-Jack : Here's the link to the story in the Honolulu Star Bulletin; http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=6889
248 Post contains links Srbmod : With AQ now announcing it will cease operations, please continue the discussion in the following thread: Aloha Airlines To Cease Passenger Operations
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