Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1642 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4543 times:
AA has no props based at ORD. It is most likely a rare swap.
Right now there is an AA MD-80 flying over my house.
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1642 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4517 times:
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10225 posts, RR: 62 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4504 times:
AA doesn't fly SAABs on scheduled flights out of ORD. Only ERJs and CRJs. SAABs are only in DFW and LAX, ATRs only in MIA and SJU, and CRJs only in ORD and DFW. ERJs are based at ORD, DFW, LAX, LGA and JFK.
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1642 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4475 times:
Hasn't Flightaware been experiencing some problems lately? i was searching for the BOS-SAN flight a couple of days ago, and it said flight time was 1:33!
Right now there is an AA MD-80 flying over my house.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4362 times:
American actually USED to fly the SAAB 340s in and out of ORD as I flew on one from ORD-RFD back in 1996. They were replacing the withdrawl of Simmons Airlines Shorts 360s. Back then American Eagle were still all separate carriers. Simmons was the ORD airline. The SAABs however were flown by Flagship Airlines..
As of today, NO, AAEagle does not fly SAAB 340s into and out of ORD.....
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4353 times:
Here's the issue: Eagle often uses the same flight number for two flights that originate in different hubs and arrive in different cities. In this, case AA3011/EGF11 is used for a flights from LAX to FAT (Saab 340) and ORD to FWA (ERJ). I'm guessing AA does this with Eagle flight numbers so that they don't run out of 4-digit flight numbers! Either way, its stupid and confusing.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21292 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4303 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10): I'm guessing AA does this with Eagle flight numbers so that they don't run out of 4-digit flight numbers! Either way, its stupid and confusing.
Eagle has flight numbers 3000-4999 (roughly); all flights on the MQ certificate are filed with the first number truncated so, for instance, both 3459 (DFW-VPS) and 4459 (ORD-JAX) are filed as EGF459. Those two flights are sometimes in the air at the same time, and flightaware has great fun with that. OW flights are filed with 4 digit flight numbers (e.g. flight 4958 JAX-MIA is EGF4958). I have no idea whay...
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DFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 4029 times:
Flightaware even shows it as a regularly scheduled Saab 340A. Eagle hasn't owned Saab 340As in years. They are mostly Saab340Bs and a few Saab340B+ models.
EGF11 is AA4011, which is scheduled as an Embraer.
I can assure you that there are no Eagle Saabs flown ORD-FWA. There are none that fly to either ORD or FWA. ORD went completely jet with Eagle some years ago. I'm very involved in the Eagle system operations control center, where we route the equipment, and the only chance a Saab might have of hitting ORD would be one that we are selling to a buyer, and that would not be a normal flight. It would be numbered EGF800 or higher, as a reposition flight. Some are being returned to lessors occasionally, and some buyers are picking up some of our Saab 340Bs and B+, as we still have some in the desert.
Eagle operates a fleet of 25 Saabs, which is split between DFW and LAX hubs. There are no flights that bridge into any other hub. The farthest northern Saab city for Eagle would be Lawton, Oklahoma at the present time.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 4007 times:
Quoting DFW13L (Reply 12): Flightaware even shows it as a regularly scheduled Saab 340A. Eagle hasn't owned Saab 340As in years. They are mostly Saab340Bs and a few Saab340B+ models.
Boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 994 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
I remember seeing A's when Eagle bought Metro Airlines, We used to fly our B's into Lawton OK to have Metro do Phase checks on ur B's. That was in the 90's when Eagle, was Wings West,Excutives, Flag Ship,Simmons, Metro and Command.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9292 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 15): I am almost positive that Eagle has definitely operated A's - quite a few, in fact,
Eagle's first Saab 340 was S/N 178...... a B model. I did hear that Metro flew for Eagle.. but not sure those ever made it into Eagle colors. Oddly.... the Metro Saab's ended up with Business Express and later flew under BEX colors as American Connection and at the end as American Eagle.
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EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 15): While I could be wrong, I am almost positive that Eagle has definitely operated A's - quite a few, in fact, up until the mid-1990s.
I thought Eagle did in fact operate A models and sold them to Mesaba. After the 10/31/1994 ATR crash, there were SAABS in ORD for quite awhile.
Dc10s2hnl From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 3364 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 18): After the 10/31/1994 ATR crash, there were SAABS in ORD for quite awhile.
That was an interesting time. As I recall, that time was Eagle's 10th Anniversary and the company was preparing to hold some shindig to celebrate. Roselawn silenced the festivities and the ATR/Saab swap began almost immediately. The ATRs were sent to MIA and LAX since they still hadn't worked out the icing issues yet. The Saabs were sent to ORD and basically become MQ's backbone there until the deicing boot issues with the ATRs were solved. It was such a trip seeing ATR-42s out in California! If only I had some pictures...
Boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 994 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 17): I did hear that Metro flew for Eagle.. but not sure those ever made it into Eagle colors
Metro's metal made into Eagle colors, in fact Chaparral's Metal(pre metro) made into Eagle colors. I remember seeing G-1's and Casa 212's in Eagle colors when I lived in Abilene, So yes the SF340A's made it into Eagle colors. I flew a A a couple of times when I worked for Eagle. Interesing having one seat flying backwards where the Lav was on our B's
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9292 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 18):
I thought Eagle did in fact operate A models and sold them to Mesaba
Nope.... Mesaba placed the last major Saab 340 order in the world and took delivery of the final aircraft off the assembly line taking delivery of S/N 402 thru 457. (with a few holes) The A's they later flew came from Express Airlines
[Edited 2008-03-22 16:28:11]
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Caspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
I have heard that ORD ATC does not want turboprop ops anymore because they think it will slow the jet traffic down. Can anyone confirm this?
Thomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2278 posts, RR: 31 Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 5): AA doesn't fly SAABs on scheduled flights out of ORD. Only ERJs and CRJs. SAABs are only in DFW and LAX, ATRs only in MIA and SJU, and CRJs only in ORD and DFW. ERJs are based at ORD, DFW, LAX, LGA and JFK.
They have ERJs in MIA as well now.
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Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10225 posts, RR: 62 Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
All the ERJ flights that flow into MIA are routed there from another base through an intermediate point (CMH, CVG, ORF, RIC, GSO, etc.).
The planes (and their crews) are based elsewhere.
25 Charlienorth: The first AE SAABs at ORD were Flagships in 1993 they were routed from BNA through PIA and possible SPI I can't remember for sure,the A models definit
26 Boeing767mech: Alot of us West Coast Mechanics froze our butts off that winter. David
27 PSU.DTW.SCE: The fully-integrated Eagle never ordered A models, they ordered B's, but they inherited a number of A models and a few older B's from Simmon/Metro (1
28 EMBQA: A lot of the former Eagle Saab's are now headed to Regional Express...REX... of Australia
29 Charlienorth: I hope you guys made some $$ out of the deal Your guy from SFO saw me replacing an inlet duct and told me I was LOCO and he took it over for me on th
30 EMBQA: I'm trying to remember which was colder..... -20 in BGR or working the ramp in BOS when the wind was coming off the Bay..
31 Boeing767mech: My vote is BOS working the ramp I remember when I was transfered to BOS and my first winter changing brakes on a BUS in the cold with the wind chill
32 VIflyer: Ah the joys of Saab ops in the northeast. Sitting on the ramp in PWM for 25min talking to MOC 'cuse while the plane cold soaked overnight half of the
33 PSU.DTW.SCE: Sounds like nearly the same thing that still happens daily up in MSP and other parts of the Midwest. You have got to love those RON aircraft. They ma
34 Cubsrule: They used to hold props over DPA and send them in all at once (usually on 4R if it was an east flow or what's now 28 if it was a west flow IIRC). How
35 PSU.DTW.SCE: The decision for AA and UA to go all-jet at ORD was entirely for competitive and marketing purposes. During the RJ arms race in the late '90's, jets
36 Cubsrule: Of course, an ER3 takes roughly the same space as an SF3 and a CR7 takes roughly the same space as a Q400, so I'm not sure this argument really goes
37 PSU.DTW.SCE: The thinking along those lines was to get more passengers per slot, along the lines of the slots by aircraft size proposals for NYC airports. That a s
38 Cubsrule: I agree, but that has zero to do with jets versus props.
39 PSU.DTW.SCE: Cubsrule.... I agree with ya buddy.. I think we are saying the same thing.
40 EMBQA: Start the engines and the cockpit warning lights up because everything goes into by-pass because its cold-soaked...!!
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