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American Eagle Saab 340 ORD  
User currently offlineVw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 251 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

What routes are Eagle using the SAAB 340 on out of O'Hare?


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/E...1/history/20080322/1628Z/KORD/KFWA

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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

AFAIK there are no ORD based Saabs, unless something has changed and AA hasn't updated their schedules.

User currently onlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

AA has no props based at ORD. It is most likely a rare swap.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5538 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2):

A swap..? But how...? I didn't think there is anyway to do it unless they ferry it there



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User currently onlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5530 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):

A rare swap with an aircraft that doesn't go to ORD. I doubt FWA has regularly scheduled SF3 service, correct?



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

AA doesn't fly SAABs on scheduled flights out of ORD. Only ERJs and CRJs. SAABs are only in DFW and LAX, ATRs only in MIA and SJU, and CRJs only in ORD and DFW. ERJs are based at ORD, DFW, LAX, LGA and JFK.

User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5517 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
I doubt FWA has regularly scheduled SF3 service, correct?

Not on AA, but with NW airlink partners, yes.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5502 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
SAABs are only in DFW and LAX,

Yup.... and even then the Saab's are 70% or so LAX....DFW is mostly short runs and maintenance routed flights in to ABI



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User currently onlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Hasn't Flightaware been experiencing some problems lately? i was searching for the BOS-SAN flight a couple of days ago, and it said flight time was 1:33!


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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

American actually USED to fly the SAAB 340s in and out of ORD as I flew on one from ORD-RFD back in 1996. They were replacing the withdrawl of Simmons Airlines Shorts 360s. Back then American Eagle were still all separate carriers. Simmons was the ORD airline. The SAABs however were flown by Flagship Airlines..

As of today, NO, AAEagle does not fly SAAB 340s into and out of ORD.....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

Here's the issue: Eagle often uses the same flight number for two flights that originate in different hubs and arrive in different cities. In this, case AA3011/EGF11 is used for a flights from LAX to FAT (Saab 340) and ORD to FWA (ERJ). I'm guessing AA does this with Eagle flight numbers so that they don't run out of 4-digit flight numbers! Either way, its stupid and confusing.


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22715 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5316 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
I'm guessing AA does this with Eagle flight numbers so that they don't run out of 4-digit flight numbers! Either way, its stupid and confusing.

Eagle has flight numbers 3000-4999 (roughly); all flights on the MQ certificate are filed with the first number truncated so, for instance, both 3459 (DFW-VPS) and 4459 (ORD-JAX) are filed as EGF459. Those two flights are sometimes in the air at the same time, and flightaware has great fun with that. OW flights are filed with 4 digit flight numbers (e.g. flight 4958 JAX-MIA is EGF4958). I have no idea whay...



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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Flightaware even shows it as a regularly scheduled Saab 340A. Eagle hasn't owned Saab 340As in years. They are mostly Saab340Bs and a few Saab340B+ models.

EGF11 is AA4011, which is scheduled as an Embraer.

I can assure you that there are no Eagle Saabs flown ORD-FWA. There are none that fly to either ORD or FWA. ORD went completely jet with Eagle some years ago. I'm very involved in the Eagle system operations control center, where we route the equipment, and the only chance a Saab might have of hitting ORD would be one that we are selling to a buyer, and that would not be a normal flight. It would be numbered EGF800 or higher, as a reposition flight. Some are being returned to lessors occasionally, and some buyers are picking up some of our Saab 340Bs and B+, as we still have some in the desert.

Eagle operates a fleet of 25 Saabs, which is split between DFW and LAX hubs. There are no flights that bridge into any other hub. The farthest northern Saab city for Eagle would be Lawton, Oklahoma at the present time.

[Edited 2008-03-21 17:23:43]

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5020 times:



Quoting DFW13L (Reply 12):
Flightaware even shows it as a regularly scheduled Saab 340A. Eagle hasn't owned Saab 340As in years. They are mostly Saab340Bs and a few Saab340B+ models.

The A on there does not mean Saab 340A (regardless of the fact that the flight isn't flown with Saabs). It is the nav equipment/capabilities of the aircraft. See here: http://flightaware.com/about/faq_aircraft_flight_plan_suffix.rvt


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Eagle has never owned an A model..... they have all been B models


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4963 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
Eagle has never owned an A model..... they have all been B models

While I could be wrong, I am almost positive that Eagle has definitely operated A's - quite a few, in fact, up until the mid-1990s.


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

I remember seeing A's when Eagle bought Metro Airlines, We used to fly our B's into Lawton OK to have Metro do Phase checks on ur B's. That was in the 90's when Eagle, was Wings West,Excutives, Flag Ship,Simmons, Metro and Command.

David



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4693 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
I am almost positive that Eagle has definitely operated A's - quite a few, in fact,

Eagle's first Saab 340 was S/N 178...... a B model. I did hear that Metro flew for Eagle.. but not sure those ever made it into Eagle colors. Oddly.... the Metro Saab's ended up with Business Express and later flew under BEX colors as American Connection and at the end as American Eagle.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4458 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
While I could be wrong, I am almost positive that Eagle has definitely operated A's - quite a few, in fact, up until the mid-1990s.

I thought Eagle did in fact operate A models and sold them to Mesaba. After the 10/31/1994 ATR crash, there were SAABS in ORD for quite awhile.


User currently offlineDc10s2hnl From New Zealand, joined Aug 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4377 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 18):
After the 10/31/1994 ATR crash, there were SAABS in ORD for quite awhile.

That was an interesting time. As I recall, that time was Eagle's 10th Anniversary and the company was preparing to hold some shindig to celebrate. Roselawn silenced the festivities and the ATR/Saab swap began almost immediately. The ATRs were sent to MIA and LAX since they still hadn't worked out the icing issues yet. The Saabs were sent to ORD and basically become MQ's backbone there until the deicing boot issues with the ATRs were solved. It was such a trip seeing ATR-42s out in California! If only I had some pictures...


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 17):
I did hear that Metro flew for Eagle.. but not sure those ever made it into Eagle colors

Metro's metal made into Eagle colors, in fact Chaparral's Metal(pre metro) made into Eagle colors. I remember seeing G-1's and Casa 212's in Eagle colors when I lived in Abilene, So yes the SF340A's made it into Eagle colors. I flew a A a couple of times when I worked for Eagle. Interesing having one seat flying backwards where the Lav was on our B's

David

http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Eagle/Saab-340A/0238811

[Edited 2008-03-22 15:56:53]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 18):

I thought Eagle did in fact operate A models and sold them to Mesaba

Nope.... Mesaba placed the last major Saab 340 order in the world and took delivery of the final aircraft off the assembly line taking delivery of S/N 402 thru 457. (with a few holes) The A's they later flew came from Express Airlines

[Edited 2008-03-22 16:28:11]


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User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

I have heard that ORD ATC does not want turboprop ops anymore because they think it will slow the jet traffic down. Can anyone confirm this?


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3930 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
AA doesn't fly SAABs on scheduled flights out of ORD. Only ERJs and CRJs. SAABs are only in DFW and LAX, ATRs only in MIA and SJU, and CRJs only in ORD and DFW. ERJs are based at ORD, DFW, LAX, LGA and JFK.

They have ERJs in MIA as well now.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 3895 times:



Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 23):
They have ERJs in MIA as well now.

ERJs aren't based in MIA, though.

All the ERJ flights that flow into MIA are routed there from another base through an intermediate point (CMH, CVG, ORF, RIC, GSO, etc.).

The planes (and their crews) are based elsewhere.


25 Charlienorth : The first AE SAABs at ORD were Flagships in 1993 they were routed from BNA through PIA and possible SPI I can't remember for sure,the A models definit
26 Boeing767mech : Alot of us West Coast Mechanics froze our butts off that winter. David
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : The fully-integrated Eagle never ordered A models, they ordered B's, but they inherited a number of A models and a few older B's from Simmon/Metro (1
28 EMBQA : A lot of the former Eagle Saab's are now headed to Regional Express...REX... of Australia
29 Post contains images Charlienorth : I hope you guys made some $$ out of the deal Your guy from SFO saw me replacing an inlet duct and told me I was LOCO and he took it over for me on th
30 EMBQA : I'm trying to remember which was colder..... -20 in BGR or working the ramp in BOS when the wind was coming off the Bay..
31 Boeing767mech : My vote is BOS working the ramp I remember when I was transfered to BOS and my first winter changing brakes on a BUS in the cold with the wind chill
32 VIflyer : Ah the joys of Saab ops in the northeast. Sitting on the ramp in PWM for 25min talking to MOC 'cuse while the plane cold soaked overnight half of the
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : Sounds like nearly the same thing that still happens daily up in MSP and other parts of the Midwest. You have got to love those RON aircraft. They ma
34 Cubsrule : They used to hold props over DPA and send them in all at once (usually on 4R if it was an east flow or what's now 28 if it was a west flow IIRC). How
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : The decision for AA and UA to go all-jet at ORD was entirely for competitive and marketing purposes. During the RJ arms race in the late '90's, jets
36 Cubsrule : Of course, an ER3 takes roughly the same space as an SF3 and a CR7 takes roughly the same space as a Q400, so I'm not sure this argument really goes
37 PSU.DTW.SCE : The thinking along those lines was to get more passengers per slot, along the lines of the slots by aircraft size proposals for NYC airports. That a s
38 Cubsrule : I agree, but that has zero to do with jets versus props.
39 PSU.DTW.SCE : Cubsrule.... I agree with ya buddy.. I think we are saying the same thing.
40 EMBQA : Start the engines and the cockpit warning lights up because everything goes into by-pass because its cold-soaked...!!
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