AAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 6707 times:
Yeah, but NW hasn't operated MD80's for years. At least it's in the family, but to throw MD80 in when talking about NW just shows that the media doesn't keep up on the fleet of the airline serving 70% of DTW's passengers.
Lnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1588 posts, RR: 17 Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 6617 times:
Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 2): At least it's in the family, but to throw MD80 in when talking about NW just shows that the media doesn't keep up on the fleet of the airline serving 70% of DTW's passengers.
I agree, but I think they have more important things to do than keeping up with all the carrier's fleet types.. LOL
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2200 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 6562 times:
They are just like the rest of America. They generally do not know a DC 9 from a 10 or an 11. If you are expecting them to keep up, you will be disappointed.
BAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6468 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 1): Hey give the dude some credit here, at least he didn't refer to it as a DC-737! I heard a news station discussing (during some incident involving an ER aircraft) whether the fuel tanks that had been added after it was in service were causing problems.
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6): Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 1):
Hey give the dude some credit here, at least he didn't refer to it as a DC-737! Wow!
As far as I know, Northwest does not fly that type of Airbus
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
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Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 5): They are just like the rest of America. They generally do not know a DC 9 from a 10 or an 11. If you are expecting them to keep up, you will be disappointed.
It's not really a matter of the media 'keeping up'....it's a matter of the media using a shred of discipline and professionalism when reporting.
The media has historically built a reputation for reporting specific details without bothering to confirm that those details are remotely accurate.
When faced with the options of:
A) specifying that the aircraft involved is a model they think is correct, ie: "a Northwest Airlines DC-767 was involved in an incident"
or
B) simply reporting what they know to be accurate, ie: "a Northwest Airlines aircraft was involved in an incident", they often will make the decision to go with option A.
Such a level of unprofessionalism and casual disregard for accuracy is simply unacceptable in other industries, and it's what has earned the media their less-than-impressive reputation among the aviation industry.
87GROUNDED From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6241 times:
To the reported a DC-9 and MD-80 look similar. Give him the credit of at least being somewhat close. Sometime you should take a tour of the TV station and check out the microphones they attach to their lapels. To us, it's a microphone. To them, it's a model TPR-719-01-A with a feedback eliminator and flux capacitor option.
On your deathbed you'll receive total consiousness- so I've got that going for me.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21027 posts, RR: 60 Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6187 times:
Quoting 87GROUNDED (Reply 9): Sometime you should take a tour of the TV station and check out the microphones they attach to their lapels.
Yes, but it's not our job to know what their equipment is. It is their job to report the facts correctly or to not report them.
But I think this guy did a fine job by saying it is a DC9 or MD80. Because he is RIGHT. It was one of them.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6046 times:
When AS288 went down off the coast of Santa Barbara, Larry King had a McDonnell/Douglas-Boeing rep on to discuss the accident. And when the MDC-Boeing rep stated that it was an MD-83, Larry King jumped in, and said, "which means the plane was built in 1983" (insinuating the accident had something to do with aircraft's age), for which the MDC-Boeing rep then corrected him and said, it was actually built in the 1990's, and said the it was strictly a model number and nothing to do with the age of construction. King look absolutely stunned that he was upstaged on his ownshow.
AS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6011 times:
I am not trying to flame anyone here, but why is it that everyone gets offended when reporters don't know what kind of plane it is? It's the same comments on every thread that invloves reporters. You and I both know the general public doesn't know the difference between airplanes! I am actually surprised they get the Airline correct sometimes.
It is a part of life.
I agree, they should research their stories a little more, but you also have to realize, when an "emergency" situation hits...every TV station/News Crew is trying to be the FIRST to air it. So they aren't going to want to research anything, they are going to throw out names of things, hope its right, and make corrections later.
If this were an article in a paper, or publication, I would say flame away at the reporter, writer, editor, etc...
Aogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 933 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5529 times:
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11): And when the MDC-Boeing rep stated that it was an MD-83, Larry King jumped in, and said, "which means the plane was built in 1983" (insinuating the accident had something to do with aircraft's age)
This is correct. As such, the B787 will have its inaugural flight in July 2087
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11310 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5069 times:
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And getting back on topic, glad everythings ok, and it didn't turn out to be a fire as reported! If it was serious then it wouldn't have helped DTW with all the snow recently!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21027 posts, RR: 60 Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4784 times:
Quoting AS777 (Reply 12): I am not trying to flame anyone here, but why is it that everyone gets offended when reporters don't know what kind of plane it is?
Not knowing is fine. Getting it WRONG is not.
If you don't know, don't guess. If you don't know, just report it as a Northwest plane, not a Northwest 737, for example.
But this guy didn't do anything wrong. He reported it correctly. It was a DC9 or MD80.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4486 times:
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Quoting AS777 (Reply 12): you also have to realize, when an "emergency" situation hits...every TV station/News Crew is trying to be the FIRST to air it.
I've never had a job that accepted poor performance because of tight deadlines. It's called taking pride in your work, and the media has a lot to learn about that.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15): But this guy didn't do anything wrong. He reported it correctly. It was a DC9 or MD80.
By that logic, it was also a DC-9 or P-51. Although being accurate half of the time might well be an improvement, I'd like to see the media shoot for the stars and strive for 60% or 65%.
HPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4440 times:
Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 2): At least it's in the family, but to throw MD80 in when talking about NW just shows that the media doesn't keep up on the fleet of the airline serving 70% of DTW's passengers.
ehh.. no biggie, most ppl aren't a.neters... I still remeber CNN the day of the LEX crash by Comair, they kept showing the cr9 in DL colors, not the CR2.....
Floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4098 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 8): A) specifying that the aircraft involved is a model they think is correct, ie: "a Northwest Airlines DC-767 was involved in an incident"
or
B) simply reporting what they know to be accurate, ie: "a Northwest Airlines aircraft was involved in an incident", they often will make the decision to go with option A.
That totally hits the nail on the head right there! They would look much better if they would just report what they know and not mention what they don't know, and hold off until they confirm it, rather than making something up and looking foolish later.
Amccann From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3978 times:
Im not trying to stir anything here because I agree with the majority of you, the media has and always will rush inaccurate details to press just to get a story out there; but... I greatly dislike how a majority of this thread has been arguments related to media not discussions of the incident itself. Such as, what was the cause of the fire warning going off? Was it a DC9 30 series or 40 series or 50 series? The video looks as if it is a 30 series, but I could be wrong.
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Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 29 Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3845 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 8): Such a level of unprofessionalism and casual disregard for accuracy is simply unacceptable in other industries, and it's what has earned the media their less-than-impressive reputation among the aviation industry.
2H4
If they are inaccurate about reporting aviation and we all notice ,I wonder how many other things they screw up on that we do not notice because we don't know about it?
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
Since I work at the station that aired this report I will contact the helicopter pilot that made this report. He is very knowledgeable in these matters. It surprises me 100% that there would be this discrepancy in his report. I will contact him now by E-Mail, encourage him to join A-Net and reply to this thread if I can.
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 21): I will contact him now by E-Mail, encourage him to join A-Net and reply to this thread if I can.
I have now received an E-Mail reply from our chopper pilot but I cannot post it for as I understand it that would be a violation of A-Net rules and regulations since he is not a member. In my E-Mail to him I asked him to join so that he could respond within this forum however. If any moderator says I can post it I will but I want to be sure and as of this time I am not. It is a good and detailed responce.
I have now sent the E-Mail to the author of this thread: DTWClipper
Sgtusmc96 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1501 times:
After investigating the cause it was found to be a can of hair spray punctured by a bag. We still ended up sending it to the hanger to due a minimum workscope and have the F/o's clearview windows removed and replaced due to scratches. So luckily no major problems were found. Its amazing what hair spray will due!
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