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United MCO Ops In The Early 90's  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6529 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

I recall from an OAG from the early 90's (maybe around '93), UA operated MSY-MCO for a short time...maybe 4-6 months...with a B737-300. Was this part of a planned ramp up of MCO ops back at the time, or was this just a fluke route? I seem to recall a MSY-MIA flight on UA as well, albeit for a very short time, but that would have more sense due to UA's then decent sized operation at MIA.

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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

UA had a hub at MCO in the early 90's. They used the ex-DL gates after DL moved. Flights to EWR, LGA, DCA, BOS, intra Florida as well. Plus a few more that I can't remember.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6529 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4487 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
UA had a hub at MCO in the early 90's

Interesting. I totally forgot about that. I miss those days...


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4451 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
UA had a hub at MCO in the early 90's. They used the ex-DL gates after DL moved. Flights to EWR, LGA, DCA, BOS, intra Florida as well. Plus a few more that I can't remember.

I just received a copy of the April 12, 1994 UA system timetable off of eBay. Here's the routes from MCO at that time.

ORD 6x daily
DEN 3x daily
FLL 1x daily
RSW 5x daily
JAX 3x daily
LAX 1x daily
MLB 2x daily
MEX 2x weekly
MIA 6x daily
SFO 1x daily
SRQ 4x daily
IAD 3x daily
PBI 5x daily

MCOMEX was daily in the previous UA schedule. IIRC, the MCO operations were pulled down in late 1994-early 1995. Also, IIRC, UA had intra-Florida feed at MIA, but it operated before 1994, after they acquired PA's Latin American routes at MIA out of bankruptcy court.



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4433 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
MLB 2x daily

Wow! That must have been a short flight! What type of aircraft operated to MLB?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4422 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 4):
Wow! That must have been a short flight! What type of aircraft operated to MLB?

United did not list A/C types in their timetables for United Express flights until around 1998 or 1999. Sorry, I have no idea.



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User currently offlinePlaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

I can remember flying a UA 727 MCO-DEN in 1995 (January). First flight to lose a carry on bag (another pax took it by mistake). Very empty flight - maybe 40 pax. I was surprised to get a non-stop (despite the DEN hub).


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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4106 times:
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I remember the UA MCO hub, I was in high school flew EWR-MCO MCO-SRQ to visit my grandmother some time in 1994, next time I traveled sometime in late 1994/early 1995 there was no more EWR-MCO, had to do EWR-IAD on UAX (DH8) then IAD-SRQ (w/stop in MCO) I can vaguely remember the ticket, I think one of the flights was UA1191, either IAD-SRQ or SRQ-IAD (EWR-IAD was UAX)


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

I think ACA had a crew base there during this time. Ran J-31's on the shorter/lighter routes.


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User currently offlineAdman737 From Ecuador, joined Sep 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

how long was the flight from MCO to MLB? 15mins?

User currently offlineGALLEYSTEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

MCO was going to be UAL's SE base for Flight Attendants and Mechanics. As for Mechanics, many familes were moved down to MCO. Flight Attendants it never happened, but the space was there for them and still is. I t was going to be a POINT of service for South America, BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, PAN AM went out of business and we got all their gates an facilities in MIA and then UAL moved operations to MIA because it was thought it was better to continue South American operations out of MIA. Problem is, it was tough to compete with AMERICAN. UAL should have stayed with MCO.


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User currently offlineJohnclipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

UA was to petition the DoT to transfer PA's routes from MIA to MCO. That is why they built the hub. When they decided that most of the traffic was O/D south Florida, MCO was dropped in favor of MIA.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3896 times:



Quoting GALLEYSTEW (Reply 10):
Problem is, it was tough to compete with AMERICAN.

No it wasn't. They did a great job, and were right there with AA.

They CHOSE to not compete effectively.

NS


User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

I believe around this time, UA offered McDonald's Happy Meals
on the MCO flights....anyone remember?


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3313 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 7):
I remember the UA MCO hub, I was in high school flew EWR-MCO MCO-SRQ to visit my grandmother some time in 1994, next time I traveled sometime in late 1994/early 1995 there was no more EWR-MCO, had to do EWR-IAD on UAX (DH8) then IAD-SRQ (w/stop in MCO) I can vaguely remember the ticket, I think one of the flights was UA1191, either IAD-SRQ or SRQ-IAD (EWR-IAD was UAX)

They quit SRQ in Dec 94, I believe. SRQ has had no UA service since.



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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3235 times:



Quoting GALLEYSTEW (Reply 10):
UAL should have stayed with MCO.

That would've been a pretty fatal mistake as MCO generated and still generates leisure travel and not lots of O/D to Latin America. If you'll recall, a few years on, AA added a GRU-MCO which lasted all of a few months given the dismal performance.



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
No it wasn't. They did a great job, and were right there with AA.

They CHOSE to not compete effectively.

Gigneil is 100% correct. I know, I worked for UA at MIA from 1996 to 2003 and can tell you that while UA did not offer the quantity of flights that AA did, UA was very competitive and generated good profits on most of the flights that we did offer from the mid 90s until about 9/11. UA did in fact choose to not compete effectively and elected to cut out MIA/LatAm altogether in favor of a very weak presence at IAD but had UA been more aggressive both in the US and in the Latin American countries we served, UA would've continued to be formidable competition..


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3217 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
I just received a copy of the April 12, 1994 UA system timetable off of eBay. Here's the routes from MCO at that time.

ORD 6x daily

Can you please post which aircraft types flew these six flights? I took UA ORD-MCO-ORD in the summer of 1994 and I'm pretty sure it was on a 733, although not certain.

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 13):
I believe around this time, UA offered McDonald's Happy Meals
on the MCO flights....anyone remember?

I remember, I thought it was clever at the time. Can you imagine having that type of service offered now?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3188 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 16):
Can you please post which aircraft types flew these six flights? I took UA ORD-MCO-ORD in the summer of 1994 and I'm pretty sure it was on a 733, although not certain.

UA lists A/C types as 737s, 767s, 747s, and 757s in the flight itineraries section of their system timetables. They do not give variants (733s, 735s, etc.).



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2875 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

In March of 93 United had 46/day

7x ORD
4x LGA EWR MIA
3x RSW DEN FLL IAD PBI
2x BOS SRQ TPA DCA
1x SFO MKE LAX JAX

Beyond the cities already mentioned earlier in this post, I'm rather sure that at different points in the MCO hub era there were also nonstops to BDL and MDW.


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3122 times:



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 8):
I think ACA had a crew base there during this time. Ran J-31's on the shorter/lighter routes.

You are correct. They had 4-6 J-32's based in MCO and a MX base in MLB. They pulled out after UA pulled out.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
UA lists A/C types as 737s, 767s, 747s, and 757s in the flight itineraries section of their system timetables. They do not give variants (733s, 735s, etc.).

Ok, that's fine, not a big deal. I think we could rule out a 735 during peak summer travel season on the route. So if it did say 737, I'm sure it was a -300. As for the other Boeing types, UA doesn't operate more than one variant, excluding ER's.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2970 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
Ok, that's fine, not a big deal. I think we could rule out a 735 during peak summer travel season on the route. So if it did say 737, I'm sure it was a -300. As for the other Boeing types, UA doesn't operate more than one variant, excluding ER's.

At that point, your flight could've been flown on a 737-200, -300, or -500 series aircraft. If anyone has an old OAG, we could find out what variant it is, but UA never listed the variants in their huge system timetables. In 2001, when they switched to a direct-flight format, the variants were put in, but not before that.



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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

If memory serves me correctly, UA had a 757 scheduled between SRQ and MCO that continued to IAD during this time. I think they only had 1 flight a day to/from SRQ...and this was it.


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2741 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
UA doesn't operate more than one variant, excluding ER's.

While that's certainly true today (and something I'd never noticed before), it was not the case back then, as they had the 742, (741 maybe?), and 762.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

I flew a UA 737-300 from MCO to RSW in 91 and 93. They had three r.t's a day between those cities. Dont forget the
stretch 8's to ORD in the early 90's from/to MCO.
safe  coffee 



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
25 Adman737 : Yes I remember Mcdonalds lol. I got a UA 747 with Ronald in the happy meal. I flew alot from
26 Jerseyguy : They certainly did, I flew EWR-IAD then IAD-SRQ (w/stop in MCO). After they left SRQ, and dehubbed MCO, RSW only had flights to ORD (1 flight a day i
27 N702ML : Effective June 7, 1991: From Orlando: To Chicago O'Hare (7:10am, 8:45am, 12:50pm, 4:30pm) To Denver (9:20am, 5:55pm) To Fort Lauderdale (9:25pm) To Fo
28 Adman737 : Orlando to Tampa how long of a flight is that?
29 C010T3 : Does someone have UA's timetables of the '90s? I'm having trouble remembering how the MIA-MCO widebody flight was run. I remember flying GIG-MIA-MCO o
30 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : An MIA-MCO once or twice? daily flight was still operating at least until 2002 but wow I too am surprised at MLB and TPA! Yes very short flights that
31 Isitsafenow : If you peek at a Feb or Mar sched, you will find more flights. Tis the season, you know......... safe
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