Acelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 805 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8354 times:
Reported on another thread is the problems AF-KLM appear to be having with the take over
of Alitalia. If in the end AF-KLM walk away as the deal gets messy and too many try
to have their say, and Alitalia do shut down down which airlines would be looking
to get their hands on some of the B777's?
A lot of 'ifs' but sure one or two airlines might be eyeing the 777's up if Alitalia do close shop
evenmore so with the delay of the 787???
Same could be said for the A319/320/321's and the B767's I guess but doubt there is
much interest in the MD80's
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BP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6656 times:
If the AF/KL deal falls apart and then LH and Air One are unsuccessful, here are some of the prized assets:
1. IF and only IF, the 777's are owned and not leased, there are some funds available there.
2. The JFK, ORD and any slots in the United States
3. The LHR slots and Heathrow space.
4. Asian landing slots at high density airports (if sell-able)
5. The Airbus fleet could be ideal for any carrier looking to speed up 737-200, 300, 500 retirements and replace with Airbus aircraft.
But after that, not much more.
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Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6640 times:
I can't really comment on whether or not we're looking at them, but there is a desire here at DL to put the 777 on our signature routes again especially now with the newly acquired Heathrow rights (i.e. JFK-LHR/ATL-LHR). Until recently, DL was interested in acquiring the non-ER 777-300s that EK operates for this reason. That deal was mulled when EK decided to renew the leases on those frames. Of course, in a year or so, we'll have 6 more 777-200LRs (for a total of 8) that will undoubtedly free up the 777-200ERs to do more specific missions. Only time will tell.
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6047 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 2): What does AZ operate? I doubt any Asian, DL nor CO need the older 772s...77L & W airframes are what's needed.
Don't forget that at least 2 of the newly ordered 8 CO 777s are 777-200ERs.
Prior to CO's recent order, I'd heard rumors that CO was considering used 777-200ERs and was interested in as many as 5 of AZ's airplanes. Like AZ, CO's 772s are powered by GE-90 engines.
With the order for the new airplanes, I don't believe CO is interested any longer in any of the AZ birds. However, CO starts Newark-Shanghai in about a year and the first new 772s don't arrive by then (IIRC), so I can't help but wonder if CO is still interested in a good deal for 2 used GE powered 772s to help start the Newark-Shanghai route.
Furthermore, the AZ 772s aren't very old; they were delivered from August 2002 to May 2004. Only two of CO's 20 772s are newer than that.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23242 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5497 times:
Quoting BP1 (Reply 7): IF and only IF, the 777's are owned and not leased, there are some funds available there.
AZ's 4 newest 777s are leased from GECAS which is why they're registered in Ireland where GECAS manages its non-U.S.-based lease business from their offices in SNN. Not sure what the financial arrangements are for the other 6 AZ 777s with Italian registrations.
ComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 959 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5425 times:
The other 6 777 are owned by an Italian leasing firm. Plus, if AZ folds it will morph into a new airline a la Swiss. And no body will get their hands on any AZ assets. The Berlusconi government will kill the AF deal, come up with some resque plan and move the new airline to his hometown Milan.
Lospaziale From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4238 times:
Even if Alitalia is in financial trouble, that doesn't mean that the aircraft are in poor conditions!!
The B777-200 ER are new, they were received between 2002 and 2004!
They are fitted with PTV and a really good IFE, so they're not like Varig ones!
Furthermore if Alitalia should bankrupt, I think it will happen something like Swissair with a smaller new airline starting again and in this case the long haul fleet will be made by these 10 B777!
I wouldn´t know why, flew with them for the first time to CCS a few weeks ago. They managed to lose my luggage 2 times, going there and coming back, which cut my 2 week holiday short by 3 days. Had by FAR the worst in flight service ever (F/A were snapping at passengers and disapeared for 4 hours straight), the 767 was beat up and really dirty (and I am still a student, the word "dirty" shouldnt have a meaning to me and the lost luggage assistance was terrible (they delivered the luggage to a wrong hotel and didnt pick up the phone anymore, Valerio from Alitalia, if you read this, you are an ass!!)
So to be honest, I wouldn´t be too sad if they go down the drain. What goes around comes around....
25 DeltaAVL: There is no chance of these coming to DL for domestic operations. There's just no way, Mr. Armchair CEO.
26 FlyLKU: They will not be allowed to shut down. The unfortunate Italian taxpayer will continue to bear that burden.
27 Jfk777: Alitalia may be a dead dog, but its 777 fleet has to be among the best available. These are GE powered 777 which would fit well with a Delta or an Asi
28 Threepoint: Thank you gentlemen, the thought that they may be ER versions occurred to me after it was too late to edit. I didn't realize they were all less than
29 Bennett123: IMO the real issue the MD80, which could go or be reduced anyway.
30 Super80DFW: Just a quick question, Why wouldn't KL or AF take them? I know AF has GE 777-200ER. I don't know about KL though. I think CO could benefit nicely from