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Emirates Offer A Shower At 37,000 A380  
User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20028 times:

Reported in The Sunday Times travel section today, they will offer a shower room for First Class passengers that will "compare with Dubai's 7 star hotel, Burj Al Arab."
The aircraft will carry an extra tonne of water to feed the shower.
Available on flights from Dubai to New York from October 1st.

Difficult to see what else to could add to a first class experience in the air, apart from the obvious one.  Big grin


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User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20021 times:

Hmmm interesting, wonder what happens if you hit turbulence, gotta be kinda slippery / dangerous?

User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3240 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19984 times:
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No way i will ever want to use this shower.caught in the nude at 37000F no way


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19865 times:

I don't believe this is new news, but the extra 1000kg of water does clear up whether it would be filtered or what.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26488 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19804 times:

LOL... when you hit turbulence and have to return to your seat all lathered up and wet !!! I guess they will have anti slip mats and rails to hold on to. Interesting concept though . Wonder if the shower will have a window !!


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19743 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
when you hit turbulence and have to return to your seat all lathered up and we

The shower will very likely have a seat for disabled use, and all that would be required is a waterproof seatbelt attached to be used in case of severe turbulence.

Honestly though, I prefer the idea of using a shower once you land, but I guess at some airports, it's not really feasible. I do it all the time when I connect internationally at EWR. Also got a chance to use the QF F lounge showers at SYD (old temp club). Changes the way you look at travel when you can shower and change 1/2 way through. You feel so refreshed and your spirits are lifted.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19649 times:

There is a reason why you shouldn not drink the water on board so I doubt I will ever take a shower.

Who ever took a look into the watertank will know why.......


Furthermore this is a good way to reduce CO2 by carring an extra 1000kg of water on board.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19568 times:

Considering the number of passengers who have been injured, sometimes seriously, by unexpected encounters with severe turbulence, inflight amenities like onboard showers that encourage passengers not to remain seated with their seatbelts fastened as much as possible are not very compatible with safety.

[Edited 2008-03-23 13:52:22]

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19559 times:

One thing comes to mind: Will there be a particular order who can go first? Big grin

No no no, they will get rid of the shower before they will install it.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26488 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19468 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Also got a chance to use the QF F lounge showers at SYD (old temp club). Changes the way you look at travel when you can shower and change 1/2 way through. You feel so refreshed and your spirits are lifted.

Yeah I also prefer to shower between flights. Usually at the UA RCC LHR or LX Arrivals lounge ZRH. Certainly gives you a new lease of life for the rest of the journey. The FRA Senetor lounge showers are not bad either.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19428 times:

-Who gets to clean it between uses would be my first question.
-Do you reserve a certain time frame, since most people interested would like to do it towards the end.
-What if the first person uses most of the water, then what?
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. If I had the chance I would love to use it.


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19398 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):

Perhaps like the meal service if your first choice is not available?
Where you seat may decided!



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19371 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Honestly though, I prefer the idea of using a shower once you land, but I guess at some airports, it's not really feasible.

I do prefer it as well... but I can't count the number of times I've barely had time to change, much less do a full routine with only one red eye open.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):
-Who gets to clean it between uses would be my first question.

It will no doubt spray itself down with a disinfecting solution.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):
-What if the first person uses most of the water, then what?

I would also bet on a timed system with something clearly indicating your time remaining.

NS


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19262 times:

At 2.5 gallons (US) per minute, that is about 10kg per minute. That means there are about 100 minutes of shower time. If they cut it to 2 gallons, it's going to be about 125 minutes or so. Anything less will be unsatisfying and not fit with the "7 star" feeling.

EK can also hope that not everyone takes a shower and that not everyone will use the whole time. That means they can easily allow each F pax 10 minutes of shower time. If they find they are running out of water, they can cut it to 8 minutes max. Even 8 minutes is luxurious and wasteful, which is what EK is shooting for here with this whole product...  Wink



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2215 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19196 times:

I'd use it, why not.

I wonder how many people can fit in there heh heh.  tongue 



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19070 times:

Even in a Holiday Inn you get your own private bathroom. So unless each F pax has his own ensuite bath, I would hardly call it '7-star' luxury. Sharing a bath is so plebeian! Emirates, you need to try harder to impress us a.netters.  Smile

User currently offlineTwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19002 times:

The water could be kept piping hot by jet exhaust....sizzle......  eyepopping 

User currently offlineFlynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19003 times:

I like the idea very much and I would use it if I could afford F (for some reasons most students doesn't Smile). I think this is a smart move. This is what train-companys use as a way to compete to air travel (at least in Sweden). A nights sleep, breakfast, a shower and of for work! Imagine getting of the plane in New York and ready to go to that important meeting straight away.

Also the Mile High Club just got a new interesting way of enter membership Wink


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18943 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Changes the way you look at travel when you can shower and change 1/2 way through. You feel so refreshed and your spirits are lifted.

Oh tell me about it!

The QF/BA lounges in BKK and SIN were my first showers (J lounges!) - and they are soooooo good for making you feel like a new person before you continue your flight. I thoroughly agree with you on how much better it makes you feel.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineTwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18951 times:

Perhaps they need to install a spa in there too with the Shower, and for coach sponges and spray bottles.

Seriously it does sound refreshing though and would be good for those on busy connecting schedules. However the water weight is not too impressive for green reason, but for the price they'll charge I don't think their too concerned.

[Edited 2008-03-23 15:24:47]

User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18924 times:

I too would use it.
It would make sense if they had like a limit on each shower time.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18924 times:

Maybe they install a shower head.. LOL




can you clean your pet too?  Wink




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User currently offlineTwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18867 times:

Just imagine a freshly showered cat "a little ticked" flayling claws at 37000 ft....Emergency landing for sure!!! Not to mention the clean up from the injuries..

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18772 times:

Well showers have been fitted on business jets for many years, so the concept isn't unheard of. A few A380 with showers won't make that big of a difference. Yes turbulence is a risk, but I think passengers will still want a shower to freshen up near the end of a long flight.


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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18149 times:

Those showers would surely make a lot of steam that might also will increase the humidity in the cabin. Could an increased humidity in the cabin shorten the lifespan on interior parts such as walls and air conditioning systems?

Just a thought...



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25 N353SK : Maybe they can offer a time slot reservation system online with the seat selection.
26 Gigneil : They all have a dedicated steam exhaust system. Its really not new technology, its just never been offered to the general public like this. NS
27 Futurecaptain : So, if somebody flushes the toilet in economy does it make the first class shower go cold?
28 Post contains images Andaman : As a Finn the first thing to come to my mind is a little sauna, I have one of this size in my small apartment, could fit on A380 too..
29 Gigneil : I need to move to Finland, immediately. I enjoy both cold year round and saunas. NS
30 Azncsa4qf744er : With fuel rising above USD110 a barrel? I guess EK has money to burn.....
31 AussieItaliano : While I see this point, I personally enjoy the United Arrivals product (especially at ORD) which is similar to this in-flight shower. The facilities
32 Post contains images Afterburner : Emirates can reduce the amount of cargo they usually carry by the same weight and charge the first class passengers to compensate the potential reven
33 Post contains images Andaman : Welcome! I hate the cold but luckily we have summers too But what do they really pay for the fuel...
34 Post contains images Acheron : I wonder how small you apartment actually is to be having a sauna...
35 Andaman : My flat is just 44m2, two rooms basically. It's common that even the small apartments have (tiny) saunas in Finland, I thought not rare in Sweden eit
36 Gigneil : I hear that both of your countries also enjoy ice cream at a rate that would even make our Southern states blush. Back to the topic: showers onboard a
37 ANITIX87 : I've never had the pleasure of showering mid-journey but I'm sure it would be great. Can you use the LX arrivals lounge if you don't fly LX? Or if you
38 Post contains images JetMech : I think I know why Airbus had to delete the thrust reversers on engines 1 and 4 ! On a serious note, I do sort of think it is a bit extravagant hauli
39 Post contains images Gigneil : And since they did so, Emirates now has the freedom to haul it around. NS
40 JetMech : Sure, but it would seem to be a far better use of any weight saving to either use it to the benefit of fuel consumption, or haul an extra tonne of fr
41 Zeke : If it gets them an extra high yield passenger every other flight, it will not only pay for itself, but also make a hansom profit. As you know all air
42 JetMech : True, I have no doubt as to the marketing coup that this will represent. Sure, it is essential to carry some water for purposes such as flushing toil
43 Zeke : No more of an extravagance than other comforts such as full flat beds, duvets, champagne, IFE, seat power supplies, magazines, newspapers and multipl
44 KSMOGeNe : Don't forget that EK is indirectly the recipient of that cash...their country sells oil, so the higher the price, the better for EK, since it's gover
45 Sxmarbury33 : Wait no one has really addressed the issue of the water possibly pulling from the main supplies. Even the travelling public knows how dirty that water
46 Cpd : Sure would - not to mention the thought of turbulence, and the hope that the thing is properly cleaned after each use. I still couldn't bring myself
47 Post contains images Amax1977 : Can couples take the shower together? If so, what a nice mile high club
48 Cpd : That was exactly what I was thinking about when hoping the thing is properly cleaned (along with other even worse thoughts). It actually puts you rig
49 Post contains images Flynorth : Probably the most expensive drops of water you have ever used You can count the dollars for every drop...
50 KAA330 : howw bout a Bathtub? Iknow just my idea
51 PADSpot : Interesting. There are onboard water recycling system available that can do with an amazing low amount of water. Something in the range of 10-20 litr
52 Post contains images OHLHD : Very nice Sauna!
53 OA260 : You can get in if you are flying J class. Even with Star Gold you have to pay to use it if not flying J class.
54 GFFgold : That would be a nice bit of Schadenfreude for EK Y pax..
55 Post contains images Elite : On a serious note, I doubt that'll be allowed but it'll be interesting to see how they will stop it from happening. You can't do any gymnastics or an
56 Post contains images Warszawa : No telling how many bodily fluids would go into that shower...eww, gross. That and tons of viruses and other crap people carry. Crabs, STD's, nasty fu
57 Jasondn : Had a thought about the thread title. Just can imagine everyone glued to their skymaps and when the plane approaches 36.000ft, everyone jumping up and
58 Agill : Maybe they will clean a first class a bit more thoroghly than a dormroom shower. THere are ways to kill off microbes if you want to, and to some exte
59 Elite : Also, I hope that it will also APPEAR to be clean. The worst thing is to step into a moist, dingy shower with mold growing everywhere and a white sho
60 Post contains images Agill : IF they claim it will be 7 star quality I have a feeling that there won't be so much mold that most people would find it to be a problem
61 BrisseDK : And you believe the unloaded cargo will then stay in DXB forever??? Come on, it will be hauled somehow, exhausting CO2. No matter how you see it, thi
62 Razza74 : eeewww Do they supply rubber thongs (sandals)? Tinea and other fungal diseases come to mind Razza74
63 Post contains images OA260 : I guess thats why they would have to have a self cleaning anti bacterial system that killed most things. Its no different than showering in a hotel/1
64 Gigneil : Again, the shower will either spray itself down thoroughly with sanitizer, or an FA will. They won't just clean it once a month. And ew, I'd never go
65 Post contains images R2rho : This was the FIRST thing that came into my mind! So, IIRC, there are 12 first class seats on Emirates. This would mean some 10min of shower time per
66 EA772LR : I understand your points, but again this EK we're talking about. You can bet your asses that if EK is comparing this shower to the 7 star hotel Burj
67 AF1624 : The Finns are the best. They've got great landscapes, relatively good weather, good food, beautiful women and exceptionnal Formula One drivers ;o)) T
68 Post contains links and images Andaman : Oh yes, those small saunas are rather common in the new city apartments, of all sizes. But the only real thing is a sauna by the lake! Saunas on AY p
69 LNv22 : Sorry, a bit off topic, but do you have any pictures inside a watertank you could share?
70 Xtoler : I'm just thinking of all the hair that may be left behind. My wife trained me well to clean the shower after use.
71 Incitatus : I thought Airbus was marketing the A380 as a green airplane. Carrying an extra ton of water for the convenience of a few first class passengers is no
72 XJETFlyer : This is as bad as a swimming pool on board!
73 Xtoler : Ever see the movie Soul Plane? Why not deck out the A380 like that? What about all the stuff my hero Richard Branson wants to put on his A380's if he
74 Kiramakora : God. A 1000kg shower. LOL. Wow. I am agreeing with you. This is new. As much as I love premium products, I just cannot think that this is a little wa
75 RIXrat : The above has been a paid public service advertisement by Lysol (R). Joke.
76 Post contains images AS777 : Wait a tic! If a plane can only take off with so much weight(MTOW) why are you concerned about this "green business"? It is not like they are going t
77 BrisseDK : Actually it does: The cargo (unlike the water) has to go to a certain destination, just like the passengers. If water is carried instead of Cargo, th
78 Post contains images Flynorth : While we're at it. I would like an A380 made as an night club! Take a A380-900 and open up a bit in various places between the floors for better heigh
79 Post contains images R2rho : Don't you start giving them ideas...
80 Incitatus : I never said I would not use it. I am just pointing out a serious inconsistency between Airbus marketing and what the airlines are doing to the A380.
81 RJ111 : A ton of water every flight is going to cost a looooooot in fuel over the course of a year.
82 Xtoler : What's being marketed and what the airline wants to do with the plane are two different things. As long as they make money right? I have a feeling if
83 Prebennorholm : They do. No other airplane will carry one ton of water 8,000 nm spending so little extra fuel as the A380. Airbus produces and sells airplanes. They
84 Sv2008 : Lifting more mass means more fuel used so it is very wasteful, as it increases fuel comsumption. For the same reason only carrying 1st class is more
85 Xtoler : Oh, you had to bring that up? The two times I was issued those were Basic Training and that weekend I spent in jail. I didn't dare take a shower in j
86 Agill : Why is this all of a sudden such a big issue. Both Boeing and Airbus sells widebodies as private jets, and that seems to be ok.
87 Post contains images OHLHD : No sorry but I had the pleasure once to have a look inside when an A/C went through D check IIRC. But not only those but just the normal water boiler
88 Post contains links and images Ikramerica : But 7-star is just something Dubai invented themselves so they can say that some hotels there are better than anything else in the world. Since all t
89 Incitatus : No they are not two different things. The way a product is marketed and the way it is used should bear some relationship, otherwise marketing loses c
90 ZuluAviator994 : Sounds like fun. Then maybe my sister wouldn't complain about being as dirty after a trip. It bites that'd she have to pay a small fortune to get that
91 Ikramerica : This comment indicates that those who wonder about the impact of the EK product somehow condone the use of large private jets, and thus it is a contr
92 ScottB : Actually, more significant IMO is the fact that the water that will inevitably leak out of the shower stall and/or off the shower users will likely l
93 AirNZ : So are you saying that Airbus (or any manufacturer for that matter) should be responsible for what their customers use a particular product for? In o
94 Incitatus : No, in general I do not condone the use of private aircraft. But it will take several VIP A380s to match the fuel consumption incurred by EK installi
95 Ikramerica : But neither are necessary. Both are wasteful. The existence of one doesn't excuse the other. Waste is waste. Even if A380VIPs were bought and never f
96 Xero9 : Just out of curiosity.. Is showing at an airport considered normal? I'm actually quite blown away by this. I don't fly a whole lot (once a year or so)
97 Caspritz78 : Larger airline lounges offer quiet often showers. Especially after over night flights it can be very refreshing to shower after arrival. It is a nice
98 OA260 : Yes I think its normal to shower at an airport. I have flown ORD-LHR on UA then connected to BD for the LHR-DUB many times and after the overnight fl
99 ADB1 : What an obscene waste of money. I think that to fly from one country to another is one thing but to have a shower in a plane at an altitude of 7 miles
100 Ikramerica : I'm sorry, but the ostentatiousness of Dubai does not reflect on "us" at all. It reflects on Dubai and maybe the neighboring oil states, and it's the
101 Luv2cattlecall : FWIW, the latest issue of Sky Magazine on DL says that if 1 pax on each flight worldwide packed 1 lb. less luggage, (not a typo, that's a total of 1 l
102 Post contains images KELPkid : Hmmm...vent "grey" water overboard Of course, if the person taking the shower isn't taking a hot one, this could present an ice hazard...
103 N14AZ : Now we can wait for the first incident when one passenger will say to its neighbour with a bad smell "Excuse me sir, but there is a shower on board".
104 KELPkid : BTW, I predict the showers to go the way of 747-100 piano lounges...it will be interesting to see how many interior refittings they survive.
105 R2rho : For all of you complaining about the extra weight of that water, maybe you should start by setting an example and stop asking for IFE's on long-haul f
106 Aa757first : They would be kept just as clean, if not cleaner, than a hotel shower. So do in-flight suites, bigger premium seats, in-flight entertainment system,
107 Wumzi : I can't help but think that this would be more trouble than it's worth... 1000kg of water? That's a heck of a lot of profit if converted to cargo. Wha
108 Zeke : US$0.30/km is not that much !!!!
109 Bongo : Isn´t it better to take a shower before and/or after a flight?
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