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User currently offlineDelta777jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9150 times:

Apparently Centralwings, low-cost subsidiary of LOT Polish Airlines stopped operations leaving some passengers stranded without any connections. Is that the polish way to give crews some free time to celebrate Easter or what is going on there ? On their website they now writting, that they are adapting their timetable to the market reality, whatever that means ?!? I searched some Polish airport websites and no single flight of Centralwings listed anymore........

Anyone knows more ?


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9085 times:

http://www.wbj.pl/?command=article&id=40529

Looks as if any flight with bookings of 30-40% or less have been canned from 1 April


User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9068 times:

It seems that they completely stopped as of today or yesterday, I can't find any departures anymore and with a fleet of 9 aircrafts there must be some.


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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9072 times:

Polish Low Cost Centralwings Close To Shut Down (by Beaucaire Feb 27 2008 in Civil Aviation)

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7211 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9037 times:

This is all thats left.

The list of flights to be made in the 2008 summer season

* Warsaw - Lisbon
* Warsaw - London Gatwick
* Warsaw - Edinburgh
* Warsaw - Dublin
* Warsaw - Bologna
* Krakow - London Gatwick
* Krakow - Barcelona / Gerona
* Krakow - Rome / Ciampino
* Krakow - Bologna
* Krakow - Athens
* Krakow - Amsterdam
* Gdansk - Edinburgh
* Gdansk - Dublin
* Gdansk - Rome / Ciampino
* Poznań - Rome / Ciampino



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27100 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9016 times:

They have shut down by the look of it and will just operate holiday sun destinations.


http://www1.centralwings.com/en/50/call_center.html

Dear Customers

Centralwings Management sincerely apologizes for the difficulties in connecting to our Customer Service Centre and for the long waiting period for a consultant. The problems result from the considerable overload of the telephone lines at our disposal.

Consultants in our call centre are contacting passengers about the modified flights on an ongoing basis and informing them of the modifications. We are contacting those passengers with the earliest flights in the first place.

We apologize and ask for your patience.

We want to serve all passengers with the utmost care and fulfil our commitments. We suggest that passengers on cancelled or changed flights use other Centralwings flights on similar routes or on different dates. Obviously, we will refund the cost of purchasing tickets to those passengers to whom we are unable to offer flights that meet their expectations.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7211 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8997 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
They have shut down by the look of it

It seems that they have hacked the route network to nothing (see above) but have not shut down, but that obviously is the next step.

http://www11.centralwings.com/en/50/info.html

Dear Sir/Madam,

Centralwings planes still fly and will be flying. The company offers and will continue to offer cheap air transport.

The situation in the market of low-cost carriers in Poland forced Centralwings to adapt the timetable to the market reality and requirements. The Company decided to concentrate on the most profitable connections in the summer season.



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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8954 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
but have not shut down, but that obviously is the next step.

Why??

It sounds like good practice to me, OK, not great customer service as it's at the last minute, but one way they can offset going under is surely to bin flights with a 30-40% load factor, common sense I'd call it!


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7211 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8903 times:

It is common sense, but what will happen is that passengers will desert them in droves. If you were a polish plumber would you book Centralwings or Ryanair?


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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8853 times:

There were some speculation about this happening weeks before, but no concrete plans were reveiled to the public. To cancel flights on such short notice is not a nice gesture to passengers. Not even an offer from LOT as a parent company to transport affected passengers. The only one who make such an offer is Wizz and pax need to purchase a new ticket. What I can see from the new route network is, that they continue to operate with two or three planes instead of two and the other will most likely sit on the ground for some time. What LOT wants with 7 additional 737's ? If I remember correctly they ordered just a few more E-Jet's to come ?


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27100 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8771 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
If you were a polish plumber would you book Centralwings or Ryanair?

People do trust FR whatever may be said about them. They are reliable on the whole. This will be a major blow to the confidence in C0. I know I would think twice about booking them . Polish people are not really loyal to their national carriers anyway .


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7211 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8748 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
I know I would think twice about booking them

When FR offer a price saving and a reliability bonus, it's obvious who the polish plumber would fly with also.

Yet another hybrid 'low cost' subsidiary of a full service airline will shortly cease to exist.



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User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2171 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8726 times:

Will FR go mad on advertising now in the polish newspapers over here?

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8696 times:

I am not going to defend Centralwings as I experienced their appalling service more than enough times however the title of the thread is incorrect. They drastically cut their schedules leaving many passengers stranded but they are NOT grounded.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27100 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

I guess its a temporary ''shut down'' looking at the departure boards in Polish airports I cant see any C0 flights !!!

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

Looks like WIzz Air has finally finished them off!

They operated very old unreliable 737-400's that were notorious for going Tech, while cancellations and severe delays was the norm most days.

They were trying to operate as a LCC, while having th expensive infastructure of LOT in the background.

Their fares to Poland were nowhere near as competitive as WIzz Air, and wherever CentralWings tried to launch routes, Wizz was never far behind offering a competing service from a neighborouring airport in the UK. WIzz Air has very much followed the FR model, flying from secondary airports and operating a new modern fleet of A320's, with their cost base similar to Ryanair and beatin easyJet.

Its a simple fact the Polish LCC market to the UK, which is there "bread and butter" routes, have become saturated and there is only so much of a market. SkyEurope was a similar casualty in the Polish market, and has since pulled out and re-focused flying from hubs in Bratislava, Vienna and Prague where they have been very successful.

It will be interesting to see how BMI Baby perform on these routes, as they have become a very late entrant into this market.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 8548 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
I guess its a temporary ''shut down'' looking at the departure boards in Polish airports I cant see any C0 flights

There are flights operated by C0 today - example from WAW:

LGW London C0 255 Centralwings 2:40 PM 2:40 PM Scheduled Ontime


User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 8507 times:

Danny: I dont know why the title of topic is incorrect ? Almost all planes of Centralwings sitting idle on the ground. An airline which got most parts of their fleet during peak season on the ground with some funny statements on their website, I call it grounding.

The only difference to a bankruptcy grounding is the backing of LOT which is their mother company. So it's a grounding on instalments rather than a quick shot, whilst LOT is pushing in some fresh funds most likely.

I think the people visiting right now their families in Poland will be lucky to stay some additional days in Poland.
It's also a nice move to keep the labour in the country.

At least the 2 pm London flight seems to be operating.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27100 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

Whatever you call it ''temporary grounding'' ''Grounding'' I think the general consensus is that C0 are in serious trouble as suggested on other threads. Hundreds stranded and issues getting through to the call center. Operating a few routes and cancelling at least 90-95% of their flights is grounding IMHO.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7211 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 8386 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Whatever you call it ''temporary grounding'' ''Grounding'' I think the general consensus is that C0 are in serious trouble as suggested on other threads. Hundreds stranded and issues getting through to the call center. Operating a few routes and cancelling at least 90-95% of their flights is grounding IMHO.

This is not a Grounding as the airline is still operating. This is a major hacking of the schedule to stop immediate bankruptcy. Its a short stay before the airline is closed, as the airline is now sharing its fixed costs over fewer and fewer flights. Centralwings will be gone within weeks IMHO.

its easy to charge lowfares. its hard to make money from it. Oil has gone through the roof, the european economy is in depression, and high interest rates = less disposable income. This is the first of many 'low fares' airlines to go under in 2008.



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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 8373 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 19):
This is the first of many 'low fares' airlines to go under in 2008.

SkyEurope might be the next to follow



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4120 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

I always hoped for SkyEurope to make it but it indeed looks very bad now. They announced to drop VIE-INN, a route they just started and have increased. Such a fast turnaround in thinking in my opinion shows that there is "fire under the roof". They obviously dont have the money to finance new routes and need to drop them just after a few months. It seems they only survive by selling their aircraft.

About Centralwings I don't understand why they produce such a mess over the Easter holidays...one could think the planes are full in this period of time?



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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Yep, the decisions of LOT are not understandable.
I heard the management board of LOT is changing very frequently (every 3 months or so), may be this have something to do with it as well ?

Regarding of SkyEurope it's very hard to understand the exact reason why they not performing well.
The financial performance isn't great, but I would have expected that the move to Vienna would help them to increase revenues and to gain profitability.

Personally I flew them once on their new 737 NG, but seat comfort is not comparable with Easy or Ryanair and check in staff assigned the entire row without to leave at least the middle seat open by having just 20 % load.

However their product seems to be working and flight attendant's were also nice.

I searched for some flights from Warsaw to Vienna in May, but it looked like they also stop Warsaw flights.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7211 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 7294 times:



Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 22):
the decisions of LOT are not understandable.

Lot themselves are going through the pains of trying to decide what sort of an airline they want to be... Political interference has meant that they have lost three CEOs in as few years.

Centralwings is an example of a failed strategy and a major distraction to the board.



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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7137 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 4):
* Warsaw - Lisbon
* Warsaw - London Gatwick
* Warsaw - Edinburgh
* Warsaw - Dublin
* Warsaw - Bologna

I wonder is there any chance of LO taking over any of these routes, as they had operated WAW-DUB


25 HT : What has become of the indications that LH was eyeing to acquire a stake in LO as soon as it bacame possible ? -HT
26 SAAB900 : With regard to SkyEurope I have flown at least 10 sectors with them & find them very good! I find the leather seats very comfy & the FA's very attent
27 Post contains images Flylot : it has yet to become possible. They will be listed on the Warsaw Stock Exchange by the end of this year. However, Lufthansa has said they are only in
28 BestWestern : Centralwings has the serious potential of killing that flotation. This is becoming a serious noose around LOT. Expect significant political pressure
29 Delta777Jet : Did someone made a research how many CEO's LOT had in the past two years ? It must be several and yet more to come. How a company such as LOT can be s
30 BestWestern : The 787 is perfect for LOT - as its small - allowing them to increase frequency, and fly thinner routes. The E-jets arent such a good plan, as they s
31 Delta777Jet : BestWestern: The E-Jet's were the right decission. LOT still got some 737 on their own which they can operate on low-yield routes such as to the UK, I
32 Humberside : Wizz Air increase LPL-WAW is the most likely outcome, if any extra capacity is added between WAW and the North West. Long shot maybe Norweigan taking
33 StarGoldLHR : Many of LOTs routes were given over to Centralwings.. LGW-KRK as well as MAN-WAW. not sure how LO's EMB going to a C0 737 was ever going to make money
34 BestWestern : Problem is that the LCC's are too firmly established on regional polish routes into the UK and Ireland for LO to have a chance of re-establishing its
35 Delta777Jet : LOT can pick up the remainings of Wizz Air or fly their connex pax thru Warsaw to New York and now also Beijing.
36 SXDFC : Hey this might be slightly off topic, but does anyone know if LO does plan in the future to retire its 734 and 735, if they have gone tech with Centra
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