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Terminal Moves At LHR  
User currently offlineBasrabob From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6122 times:

With the imminent game of musical chairs at LHR , with the opening of T5 . Can anyone give me a clue as to which airlines are moving where and when . For example , UA are moving from T3 to T1 in June , but nowhere on their website is this mentioned . Who will be residing in T4? There is no mention on the BAA website of any of this . Complete shambles is looming !

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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6103 times:



Quoting Basrabob (Thread starter):
Complete shambles is looming

See Reply 52:

US Carriers Invade LHR - 30th March 2008 (by LHR777 Mar 23 2008 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=3898894&searchid=3899155&s=lhr+terminal#ID3899155


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6062 times:

It has been discussed many times on many threads, although I still don;t think there is a difinitive list of all the moves over the next few years as timescales keep changing.

User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

I've put up a list on my blog. If you have any updates, please let me know.

User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 3):
I've put up a list on my blog

That's great work and thankyou for sharing.

It does raise a couple of questions though, "Why are they doing THAT?"

1) Why are BA moving IAH & DFW from LGW to LHR T4 on 30th March and then moving to T5 1 month later. Why not do it in one?

2) Why are SQ staying put an not moving to T1 along with their Star Alliance friends. Is it something to do with suitable gates for the A380?

[Edited 2008-03-24 13:23:48]

User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Can anyone tell me which terminal EI are moving to?

User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Notice the "I guess" used for every answer.  Wink

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
1) Why are BA moving IAH & DFW from LGW to LHR T4 on 30th March and then moving to T5 1 month later. Why not do it in one?

These routes are flown by 777s. The longhaul routes from T1 and T3 are flown by 747, so I guess maybe BA want to keep T5 as simple as possible during the first month. So the all A320 series, all the B763 with the short-haul config, and some 747 at T5 and the rest of 747s, all the 777 and the longhaul 763 at T4 is quite simple for the moment.

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
2) Why are SQ staying put an not moving to T1 along with their Star Alliance friends. Is it something to do with suitable gates for the A380?

I think they've just built a new lounge in T3. Also there's the 380 thing you said. And they may want to be close to Virgin as they have 49% of the airline and they fly LHR-SIN with an VS codeshare. I guess there are in no rush to move just now to a crowded T1 and they can wait for H East

Quoting EICVD (Reply 5):
Can anyone tell me which terminal EI are moving to?

When they were part of oneworld they were supposed to go to T3 for obvious reasons. I still think they'll end up there but for the time being, they can use the domestic area at T1 just like now. The MCT onto BA will be 90 mins anyway no matter if it's T1 or T3. I guess EI will be at T3 when the automated baggage system between T5 and T3 is up and running in 2011 but untill then, T1 seems just fine for domestic/Ireland flights.


User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

I'll take a shot at these as well.

Quoting Aisak (Reply 6):

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
1) Why are BA moving IAH & DFW from LGW to LHR T4 on 30th March and then moving to T5 1 month later. Why not do it in one?

These routes are flown by 777s. The longhaul routes from T1 and T3 are flown by 747, so I guess maybe BA want to keep T5 as simple as possible during the first month. So the all A320 series, all the B763 with the short-haul config, and some 747 at T5 and the rest of 747s, all the 777 and the longhaul 763 at T4 is quite simple for the moment.

Interesting theory, Aisak. Could be true. Another possibility is that it's just related to gate availability. Maybe they're putting the finishing touches on one part of the terminal, and it's not ready yet. Then again, you'd think that they would just leave MIA where it is and move the new flights straight to T5. Hmmm.

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Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
2) Why are SQ staying put an not moving to T1 along with their Star Alliance friends. Is it something to do with suitable gates for the A380?

I think they've just built a new lounge in T3. Also there's the 380 thing you said. And they may want to be close to Virgin as they have 49% of the airline and they fly LHR-SIN with an VS codeshare. I guess there are in no rush to move just now to a crowded T1 and they can wait for H East

I was told by one of my commenters that it was due to the A380 not having any gates at T1. My guess is that once Heathrow East opens, they'll probably have an A380 gate or two and they can move. But for now, they'll stay where they are.

Quote:
Quoting EICVD (Reply 5):
Can anyone tell me which terminal EI are moving to?

When they were part of oneworld they were supposed to go to T3 for obvious reasons. I still think they'll end up there but for the time being, they can use the domestic area at T1 just like now. The MCT onto BA will be 90 mins anyway no matter if it's T1 or T3. I guess EI will be at T3 when the automated baggage system between T5 and T3 is up and running in 2011 but untill then, T1 seems just fine for domestic/Ireland flights.

Since technically they're unaligned, they should go to T4, but a commenter on my post said that they were refusing to leave T1 so far. This could get interesting.


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5501 times:

I read somewhere (sorry, can't remember the source) that Air Canada won't be moving until 2011-12. I would assume it'll be around the time of the new Heathrow terminal ("Heathrow East", or whatever it's called)

User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5494 times:



Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 7):

Since technically they're unaligned, they should go to T4, but a commenter on my post said that they were refusing to leave T1 so far. This could get interesting

Id say they are reluctant to leave T1 as ROI flights are treated as domestic so when they leave its going to be a hassle to travel through LHR because its quite straight forward at the moment.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5469 times:



Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
1) Why are BA moving IAH & DFW from LGW to LHR T4 on 30th March and then moving to T5 1 month later. Why not do it in one?

BA are not moving their whole operation all at once as this would expose them to more risk should things in T5 not quite go so smoothly in the first days. With only short haul over and limited long haul over there anything that goes wrong will have a limited impact on their operation. Having the move in two switches gives BA's operation and associated staff a bit of time to bed in before the whole lot comes over.
The best way of doing it I think.

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 7):
Interesting theory, Aisak. Could be true. Another possibility is that it's just related to gate availability. Maybe they're putting the finishing touches on one part of the terminal, and it's not ready yet. Then again, you'd think that they would just leave MIA where it is and move the new flights straight to T5. Hmmm.

All the gates are ready now so will be able to be used from day one.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

On a related issue, I note they're referring to the rebuilt T1 (also replacing T2) as "Heathrow East". When it opens I wonder if they will renumber (or rename) the other terminals? If they retain "Heathrow East" as the final name for what is now T1/T2, LHR will then comprise Heathrow East, T3, T4, T5. People will be asking why there is no T1 and T2.

Maybe they'll call Heathrow East "Terminal 1" and renumber T3/4/5 to become T2/3/4. Or if they want to keep the "East" name, I suppose they could drop the numbers for T3/4/5 and rename them Heathrow Central, Heathrow South and Heathrow West.  

However numbers are clearer especially for the many non-English speaking passengers.

[Edited 2008-03-24 16:00:34]

User currently offlineCB97 From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5367 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
Maybe they'll call Heathrow East "Terminal 1" and renumber T3/4/5 to become T2/3/4. Or if they want to keep the "East" name, I suppose they could drop the numbers for T3/4/5 and rename them Heathrow Central, Heathrow South and Heathrow West.

YYZ just has T1 and T3 now, so LHR might leave the numbers as is when they demolish T2. It seems to me that it would be less confusing that way especially since there is so much hype over the new T5.


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User currently offlineBasrabob From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

I had said that EI didnt want to move because what BAA were offering them was not as good as what they had at the moment ....they have their own little niche in T1 where they have been since the start . So why should they want to move ?
In terms of the split of BA between T5 & T3 , it is simply a case of logistics . Their T3 flights will all be non-container flights.....i.e. all loose baggage ...I am almost certain that all their B757s will be based at T3 ..If anybody has any info to contradict that , then please feel free to advise accordingly . In the original plans , T1 was going to be Star World....well that plan has gone out of the window ,as most of the carriers seem to be happy staying where they are . SK & AC have no plans to move , add to that SQ playing hard to get , LH & OS not announcing any plans , basically , the whole thing is in turmoil .


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 7):
Since technically they're unaligned, they should go to T4

That's technically correct but enforcing this rule is not that wise.
Virgin is also unaligned but it's better for them to remain at T3 because of space and move later to H East with the whole bunch of star carriers due to all the codeshares with them.
Also Aer Lingus is no longer part of oneworld but they still feed BA's flights so it's not that weird they don't want to go that far to T4.
IB's low cost airline Clickair will also go to T3 with IB even when they are not part of oneworld.
Air Indiam, Transaero, Egyptair, Turkish should go to T4 but due to links to BMI/Star alliance it would make sense to be at T1.

Quoting Basrabob (Reply 13):
In the original plans , T1 was going to be Star World....well that plan has gone out of the window ,as most of the carriers seem to be happy staying where they are .

It's not gone out of the window, but it won't happen overnight. Just compare T1 and T3. T1 is way too small for the entire Star operation and T3 is way too big to only handle oneworld.

[Edited 2008-03-25 02:57:00]

User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5078 times:



Quoting Aisak (Reply 14):
T1 is way too small for the entire Star operation .

Will H-East (once it's built) be big enough for the *A operation?


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

1) 27MAR08 - BA moves all longhaul from T1 to T5 (HKG, JNB, LAX, TYO, NRT, SFO & YVR; all domestic from T1 to T5; all shorthaul from T4 to T5; all shorthaul from T1 to T5 (except BCN, HEL, LIS, MAD & NCE), MIA from T3 to T5

2) 29MAR08 - SA)">AA moves IAH and 1 DFW from LGW to T3

3) 30MAR08 - BA ALG moves from LGW to T5

4) 30MAR08 - US starts from T1

5) 30MAR08 - SA)">CO, SA)">DL & SA)">NW start from T4

6) 01APR08 - AF launches LHR to LAX (codeshare with SA)">DL)

7) 30APR08 - BA moves remaining longhaul fro T4 to T5 (except BKK, SIN & Australian routes that codeshare with QF)

8) 10JUN08 - SA)">UA & NZ move T3 to T1

9) 17SEP08 - BA moves BCN, MAD, LIS, NCE & HEL to T3

10) 17SEP08 - AY moves T1 to T3

11) 17SEP08 - IB (& XG) moves T2 to T3

12) 25NOV08 - TP, OS, LH, LX & OU moves T2 to T1

13) JAN09 - BA BKK, SIN, & Australian routes, inc QF, moves T4 to T3

14) JAN09 - MH, GF, & 9W move T3 to T4

15) FEB09 - AF, SU, AZ, SA)">CS moves T2 to T4

16) FEB09 - KE moves T3 to T4

17) FEB09 - TS, TU, RB, RQ, MU, OA, LG, LN, HM, HY, IY, J2, AT Yugoslav Airlines">JU, 4L, SA)">FB, AT, B3, 8A & FV move from T2 to T4

18) MAR09 - QR, KU, BG, BI, SV & MK move from T3 to T4

19) OCT09 - EY & AI move from T3 to T4

20) Not moving - T1 = EI, BD, CY, LY, LO, SA, OZ, FI & UN
Not moving - T3 = SA)">AA, AC, CA, NH, CX, MS, EK, ET, JL, PK, SK, SQ, TH, TK, T5, VS, CA, KF, BR, IR, YK & VK
Not moving - T4 = KM, KQ, KL, UL & JJ

Phew! think that's it...



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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

DOH!

Forgot to add, JM, GB (as BA), SU, SN, RG & PS are either going by end of MAR08, or have gone from LHR...there!



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User currently offlineSpeedbird10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

Why does BA have to have some flights that are not moving to T5? They should be moving every single BA flight into T5 and no other airline should be allowed!

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2224 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4542 times:



Quoting Speedbird10 (Reply 18):
Why does BA have to have some flights that are not moving to T5? They should be moving every single BA flight into T5 and no other airline should be allowed!

T5 will be used exclusively by BA. Fact is, until the new satellite opens in a few years, T5 remains too small to accommodate the entire BA operation which is why you have T3 also being used for certain long-haul and all 757 shorthaul flights.


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4459 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 19):
T5 will be used exclusively by BA. Fact is, until the new satellite opens in a few years, T5 remains too small to accommodate the entire BA operation which is why you have T3 also being used for certain long-haul and all 757 shorthaul flights

Even with the new satellite, BA will maintain a presence in T3



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User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

A commenter on my blog found this press release that came out today detailing Star's moves. In short, UA/NZ will move to T1 on June 10. All T2 carriers will move to T1 in Nov (LX will go in Oct) so that they can knock it down and start building Heathrow East. Most other T3 carriers will stay there until Heathrow East opens. What a mess.

My understanding is that when Heathrow East opens, many carriers will move in and they'll start knocking down T1 and expanding East onto that site.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
On a related issue, I note they're referring to the rebuilt T1 (also replacing T2) as "Heathrow East". When it opens I wonder if they will renumber (or rename) the other terminals?

I don't know if they'll keep the name or not, but there is precedent in the world. PHX knocked down T1 years ago and to this day there is only T2/3/4 there. I tend to agree that numbers are better than letters for intl travelers.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3571 times:



Quoting Basrabob (Reply 13):
In terms of the split of BA between T5 & T3 , it is simply a case of logistics . Their T3 flights will all be non-container flights.....i.e. all loose baggage ...I am almost certain that all their B757s will be based at T3 ..

The long haul flights will be containerised. As the 757's retire in years to come these will be replaced by containerised Airbuses.


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3394 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 19):
T5 remains too small to accommodate the entire BA operation which is why you have T3 also being used for certain long-haul and all 757 shorthaul flights.

Actually, it's a bit political as well. T5 (inc. satellites) could handle all of BA's operation, but by keeping a few flights in T3, BA can maintain a presence, should they want to expand beyond what T5 can provide.



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3242 times:



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 23):
Actually, it's a bit political as well. T5 (inc. satellites) could handle all of BA's operation, but by keeping a few flights in T3, BA can maintain a presence, should they want to expand beyond what T5 can provide

It also lets them have a say in the running of the Central Terminal Area - to keep an eye on what their competition do there



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25 Speedbird2155 : I think that is the critical factor.....just as it has been for years by having the MIA flight in T3. There was no other reason to just have one dest
26 Theginge : No it wouldn't, with BA's expansion plans they were always going to have to spill over in to T3. Simple fact is T5 is not big enough. Do you think if
27 LHRBlueSkies : Oh yes it would! See responses from APYu & Speedbird2155.... nail, head, hitting!
28 BCA2005 : Surely AI would be a part of Star by Oct 09, why are they moving to T4?
29 MEA330 : LHRBlueSkies You forgot ME/MEA. Are they staying at T3?
30 LHRBlueSkies : Gosh, aren't we all getting a little patriotic?!?! ME/MEA - remaining in T3 AI - moving to T4 Oct '09 - T1 won't be big enough for another 6-8 744's
31 8herveg : Air Indian, Egyptair and Turkish are all part, or will be members of Star Alliance, which is why they are going to T1. Transaero isnt a member yet, b
32 LHRBlueSkies : AI are going to T4... no plans to move to T1...H'row East maybe, but it's a big maybe...
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