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QF Jet Blows Tires At Takeoff In LAX  
User currently offlineEoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 18964 times:

"An official at Los Angeles International Airport says an Australia-bound jetliner carrying hundreds of passengers blew four tires while trying to take off and got stranded on the runway.

LAX spokeswoman Treva (Treh-vuh) Miller says none of the 232 passengers or crew on Qantas flight 12 was hurt in the incident late Monday."

Link in post below - I seem to be having a few dramas trying to post it.

[Edited 2008-03-25 02:37:59]

43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 18969 times:

This link should work better.


I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineAussieAl From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18581 times:

Good to know that the aircraft is safely on the ground. A news flash on TV, Channel 7 Sydney, a few minutes ago was worded to leave the impression that the craft had taken off and was in the air. I suppose that is more dramatic and a teaser to get people to watch a later news bulletin.

So much for correct reporting.


User currently offlineEoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18519 times:



Quoting AussieAl (Reply 2):
So much for correct reporting.

Sky News reported one injury

Everyone else is reporting none - A typo methinks


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18305 times:

aircraft is Wunala, VH-OEJ.


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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18276 times:

anyone know the aircraft rego??


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18199 times:



Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 5):
anyone know the aircraft rego??

VH-OEJ



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17944 times:



Quoting Eoinnz (Thread starter):
Treva (Treh-vuh)

LOL - Love it! Him be down wit da Homies.  Smile

Quoting Eoinnz (Thread starter):
232 passengers or crew on Qantas flight 12

Not wonderful loads for a QF 744 ex LAX.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15469 times:

Got to Imperial Hill 5 minutes after it happened (was already on the way when it happened) and I wondered what was going on.


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User currently offlineKsmogene From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13864 times:



Quote:
The plane came to rest, stuck on an adjacent runway.

Does that mean it crossed over the median between the runways? South Runways, I'm assuming?


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12906 times:

Do we know if the aircraft hit debris and that's what caused the tires to puncture? As we all know, the concorde crashed because of debris on the runway that punctured the tire..

Wonder if they possibly avoided a major disaster on this one? It would be pure speculation I guess.

I remember when I was working at PHL airport, we had two BA 777's that both hit metal debris on the taxiway right after pushback and they had to change 3 tires on 2 777's. That was a mess!



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24347 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12700 times:

1) Planes tires deflated as result of the abort - not because of some debris etc. Crew received a warning light on takeoff and chose to abort.

2) Plane did not get "stranded" on a runway as article states, however instead after the abort taxied off the runway and subsequently got stuck on the adjacent taxiway as 4 main tires deflated.

3) QF12 has been rescheduled for a 12:45pm departure today.



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User currently offlineMendaero From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

The takeoff was rejected due to a crew alert message, the tyres subsequently deflated due to the heat from the brakes.

No disaster, just a standard rejected takeoff.


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12413 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
1) Planes tires deflated as result of the abort - not because of some debris etc. Crew received a warning light on takeoff and chose to abort.

2) Plane did not get "stranded" on a runway as article states, however instead after the abort taxied off the runway and subsequently got stuck on the adjacent taxiway as 4 main tires deflated.

3) QF12 has been rescheduled for a 12:45pm departure today.

Thanks. Stopped this one cold.  checkmark 



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Don't 400ER's have differant wheel/tires than regualr 400's ? I take it QF has both in stock at -ER stations..


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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10240 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
1) Planes tires deflated as result of the abort - not because of some debris etc. Crew received a warning light on takeoff and chose to abort.

Apparently the crew didnt have a choice. The rejected takeoff was implemented automatically by the computer as soon as the warning light



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User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Question, how likely is it that the nose wheel was actually off the ground like I have read in an article and heard from passengers on Channel 7. If this was the case im thinking it was past V1.

Or passengers simply telling they 'thought' the nosewheel was up.

Still sounds like a standard aborted take-off, well done to the QF pilots.



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User currently offlineJerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Years ago I was in ATC at McGuire AFB in New Jersey (USA). A commercial B-747 had taken off from a USAF base in Germany, bound for McGuire. On take-off the crew heard several "pops", and determined they had blown at least five or six tires. Having a full load of fuel and over 350 pax on board, they decided to go ahead and cross the pond rather than turn around and land back at the departure base.

We in ATC were notified that this aircraft was coming our way, so we prepared as much as we could, as did the emergency response people on the base. Dozens of ambulances were called in, as well as doctors, nurses, dentists, and whatever else anyone thought might be needed.

A few hours later the aircraft showed up on our radar, right in front of a DC-8 that was going to Philadelphia and a C-141 that was also coming to McGuire. We knew that the main runway would be closed just as soon as the B-747 touched down, so we asked the crew of that aircraft if they would mind letting us get the C-141 down first. Their answer was a very firm "Yes, we would mind. We have a full load of passengers who are ready for this emergency landing and they want to get down NOW!"

Needless to say, we obliged. But it got really interesting as a couple of things happened that we hadn't thought of. First of all, the B-747 was landing on our long runway (of course), so that meant the C-141 would have to land on the shorter, cross-runway. But just as we were about to clear him to land, the DC-8, which was in front of the C-141, decalred an emergency and requested an immediate clearance to land at McGuire. Our controller cleared him to land on the cross-runway, and the C-141 was cleared to land behind him.

So, the sequence went this way: The DC-8 lands on the cross-runway and stops at the far end. The B-747 lands on the long runway (what a show of sparks that was! It lit up the whole area!). Then the C-141 lands on the cross-runway... and has to turn off into the grass alongside the runway in order to keep from hitting the DC-8 (who was stopped dead on the runway... out fuel!)

What a night!



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User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9045 times:



Quoting Jerald01 (Reply 17):

That was by far the craziest story I have ever heard in aviation. I can only imagine what that night would have been like. I am kind of surprised the 747 captain wouldn't let C-141 ahead. It wasn't like their emergency was that impending due to the fact they crossed the Atlantic.



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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

Question: Is a tire gone for good once the overpressure fuse goes off, and must be replaced, or it's still usable?


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User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8663 times:

It never ceases to amaze me how the Australian media and public jump on any minor incident with QF and turn it into a HUGE DISASTER! To take witness accounts from a dumbo who had never been on a plane before (as was done in one Australian news article) and think they know at what stage the plane was in takeoff is just ridiculous and frustrating!

Australian media is always more than happy to jump on any bad news of any large company and convince the public that it's all going so so bad, yet if anything was to ever really go wrong with that company (a la Ansett) then they would be the first to say how terrible Aussies were to turn their backs on such a good brand.

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 10):
Do we know if the aircraft hit debris and that's what caused the tires to puncture? As we all know, the concorde crashed because of debris on the runway that punctured the tire.

Not sure. Were there any CO flights earlier that afternoon?  duck 

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
Not wonderful loads for a QF 744 ex LAX.

Kind of thought that myself when I read it. We're usually led to believe that those flights are normally full.


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8630 times:



Quoting QF108 (Reply 16):
Question, how likely is it that the nose wheel was actually off the ground like I have read in an article and heard from passengers on Channel 7. If this was the case im thinking it was past V1.

Unlikely, probably just what it feels like from a passenger point of view


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8532 times:



Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 20):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
Not wonderful loads for a QF 744 ex LAX.

Kind of thought that myself when I read it. We're usually led to believe that those flights are normally full.

This was a Monday or Tuesday flight ex LAX, probably the least popular flights of the week. Try THU/FRI/SAT ex LAX loads would be in excess of 90%. Coupled with this being low season as well.


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2381 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8415 times:



Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 15):
Apparently the crew didnt have a choice. The rejected takeoff was implemented automatically by the computer as soon as the warning light

There is no automatic implementation of an RTO. When the Captain makes the decision to reject the takeoff the thrust levers are retarded to idle, the RTO function of the autobrakes activates, the Captain selects reversers to the interlocks, the speedbrake automatically deploys and full reverse is applied on any operating engine.
No computer made the decision to reject this takeoff.


User currently offlineZuluAviator994 From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

This is Unfortunate.
My mum's supposed to fly to Australia on Thursday (Friday for you Aussies)
And she's flying on Qantas Flight 12, but nothing will happen I'm sure.
Lucky she didn't fly on this particular flight.
Shame to see Wunala like this though.
Good job Qantas for having the flight rescheduled as timely as possible.
Regards



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25 ZuluAviator994 : Geez, sounds like a regular day at the office doesn't it? Way to handle it well. Regards
26 CupraIbiza : Thanks for that. Its why I started it with "apparently" because I heard it on the local radio
27 AJ : No problem! There is a lot of misinformation out there about this event,
28 JetMech : I don't think it would be usable. First of all it would probably sustain mechanical damage from the wheel rim bearing down upon the carcass with the
29 Post contains images Heathrow : Not wunala . I love her. Ah well, atleast she'll be back in comission soon
30 QANTAS077 : grow up..some of the posts that carry on like the plane was written off sound exactly like half the garbage spread by Murdoch media, it had an incide
31 Zkpilot : not to worry the Vomit Comet is fine...
32 NG1Fan : Too many journalists, not enough news! NG1Fan
33 Asuflyer05 : Wow I was out there Sunday and Monday. Would have been interesting to see.
34 HAWK21M : Only an RTO would cause the Tire deflation during T/O. Was wondering same too before reading the Article. regds MEL
35 EK413 : Standard for the tires to deflate on a RTO... Its designed this way to prevent further damage to the aircraft and prevent a fire... Thank you... A st
36 Post contains images WunalaYann : I knew my shoes weren't fitting too well today... But I did make it to the office, though.
37 Peh : Does anyone know which warning light illuminated? I'm thinking it must have been indicating something serious for the captain to abort the takeoff rat
38 EK413 : Just an update for all... The aircraft VH-OEJ has returned safely this morning to SYD as QF012... EK413
39 Zkpilot : I just saw VH-OEJ in the heavy mx hanger at SYD today (is the fully enclosed hanger with scaffolding, jacks etc)... not sure if this was scheduled, or
40 EK413 : The enclosed hanger has nil scaffolding, this would of been a normal routine check... As you already stated most longhaul carriers (BA,VS etc) aircra
41 CupraIbiza : Slightly off topic but I thought QF heavy MX was moving to AVV??
42 Zkpilot : The tail was enclosed in movable scafold, the nose was up on jacks and there was a lot of other scaffolding around which I don't normally see in the
43 Teamspeedy : OEJ flew out of Sydney this morning as QF11
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