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Airline 747 Retirements?

Ba777pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Hi there,

Recently i have been hearing much about airlines such as AF,UA,SQ,BA,retiring their 747 fleets. My question is why? The 747 has shown its reliability in range and pax capacity.

Any comment, answers,opinions would be great!

ba777

N.S.

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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

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The 777-300ER and A380-800 do it better.

SQ's depreciation rules favor quicker retirements so they are replacing them with A380-800s and 777-300ERs.

AF feels the A380-800 and 777-300ER are more efficient then the 747-400, so that is why they are going.

I expect UA to hold on to their 747-400s for some time.

BA is just starting to replace their oldest 747-400s with A380-800s. Going forward, they will replace the rest with more A380-800s as well as the 777-300ER and/or A350-1000 but this will likely be over the next decade or longer.

Bmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Fuel-burn ratio is a big factor for replacing 747-400s with 777-300ERs. The GE90 uses less fuel than the PW4000 especially comparing two engines versus four.

The A380 with newer and more efficient engines will also burn less per seat than the 747.

The engine is the heart of an airplane, but the pilot is its soul.

LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1673 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

I belive that NH will convert all their current pax 744s to freighters around 2010.

I won't stop complaining until SAS reintroduces free service in Economy Class!

Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4740 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

There is a market for used 747s as freighters and many airlines feel that it is better to sell them now and get $$ for them then hold on til they are worthless.
The likes of the 77W and A388 are of course more efficient for pax use.

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CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Put very simplistically, you can look at it two ways.

You can replace your 744 with:

A 77W which has the same range with the same payload but with +/- 25% costs savings to operate.

A A388 which costs the same to operate but carries +/- 35% more payload over similar range.

Either way the CASM savings are compelling.

What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???

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