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Estonian Short Of Planes?  
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Here's my experience yesterday (24/03/08) of a flight from Tallinn to London:

Our flight was timetabled to depart at 16:15, and was scheduled as a 737-300 (of which Estonian has two). Boarding was due to be at 15:30.

At 15:30, there were still no OV aircraft anywhere. (May have been a 737-500 parked in the distance - can't remember - but definitely no -300s).

At about 16:00, our flight was announced on departure screens as delayed until 17:15.

I thought I'd try to do some research as to what might be going on... there were internet stations around the departure areas, so I thought I'd visit the airport website...

On the airport website, a 737-300 was due inbound from Stockholm at 16:40ish, and was on time.

Hmm... I wondered if this would be our plane. Sure enough, around that time, the Stockholm aircraft arrived and parked at Gate 2 (our advertised gate). It was indeed our plane, and just over an hour late we finally took off (and I had a very nice flight!)

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I'm guessing the other 733 was in maintenance or something? Or are they just chronically short of planes?

What I found funny was that our delay appeared to be based on other actual timetabled flight times! So why did they wait until 16:00 to actually announce the new flight time?

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I hope my description of the situation actually makes sense in some way (I'll clarify anything if necessary). It just really baffled me!

Thanks!

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

They run a very tight ship up there in Tallinn. I was there last month (flew with EZY ex STN) and the construction work there is taking over the place. Its not a very big airport and pretty much everything goes onto hard stands at the moment. I think they have one working jetbridge. They work hard, but yes, they are short of planes.

Spent a long time there as my EZY flight was delayed ironically, and watched their operation carefully. Didnt see any 733s, but a few of their 735s and a few Finncomm ATRs. OV are not that big on turnarounds - they take an eternity there from what I can tell. I know the U2 crew were pratcially foaming at the mouth at how slow the fuellers took and how slow the GSE stuff was. I know U2 do their own cabin cleaning obviously but a 50 minute turnaround is a bit long - U2 are usually long gone by then. My impression is that they are constrained by lack of space and equipment and that turnarounds take longer than they should do. OV 737s typically took between 60 to 120 minutes between flights which is almost unheard of at BA or U2 for example. All this means is that if you have delays its hard to make up the time.

Lovely city though - absolutely beautiful. Fecking expensive though!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

OV turnaround times at destination airports are in between 40-50 minutes. Longer at TLL, due to various reasons. However, they have been stretched to the limit last few years. A smallest delay on any of the flights has a domino effect and is visible throughout the day. Hopefully the new CRJ-s will help.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1850 times:



Quoting Treg (Reply 2):
OV turnaround times at destination airports are in between 40-50 minutes. Longer at TLL, due to various reasons. However, they have been stretched to the limit last few years. A smallest delay on any of the flights has a domino effect and is visible throughout the day. Hopefully the new CRJ-s will help.

Which type are they getting? CRJ900s would be ideal - lovely planes.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Estonian just returned to HEL a with Saab-340A, would be cool if they offered more connections, especially now when TLL is expanding. I want to make a 30-min hop HEL-TLL on their Saab soon  

[Edited 2008-03-25 12:55:36]

User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Wow, that is a long turn around time, even for a 737 with more than two F/A's! And then for the ground guys to take forever and a day. Well, if there is some major airport construction going on, I can see that being a hindrance, and plus if they are at their home base, they do have a longer turnaround time, especially if they are changing crews. There are several scenarios that can delay a plane. Plane's there, but no crew (usually they are flying another aircraft and are delayed down the line). Crew but no plane (usually because the plane is being flown by another crew and they got delayed somewhere). God forbid a mx or a weather delay. But the worst, and I always like giving the benefit of the doubt, an airline who just doesn't care about quality or punctuality. Also, different airlines have different procedures for turn around times too.

When I was in the USAF it depended on the size of the aircraft, it's mission, and if we were overseas or not. Say, 4 hours was a normal "quick" turn for a C5 coming in from DHA, into MHZ, and going on it's way to DOV. I think it was 2 hours for a C141B from RMS-MHZ-CHS. When I flew for TSA on the EMB145, I had 15 to 20 minutes (as the one F/A on board per 50 pax I definately cleaned as I went and prepared as much for the next flight as I could before we landed). A lot depends on the training of the crews and support folks. Unions are another big deal too. A good example was when I used to do a lot of flying in and out of PIT. Trans States is sort of the red headed stepchild. We did have our own MX guys there, but the rest of the ground staff were PSA, and they didn't quite like us too much (not personally, but as a company), so they would actually go out of their way and block us in late, if their planes were already there. Same with the gate agents. They would do their flights, before they'd deal with us, even though we were all flying as US Airways Express and we were near the gate first. I could go on and on. I guess I'll just have to go to TLL one day and see for myself what their hangup is. If you don't get to see what happens behind the scenes, it's hard to really understand how things are run.

Larry



EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1771 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Which type are they getting? CRJ900s would be ideal - lovely planes.

They are getting 3 CRJ-900 next year (this is part of the SAS CRJ-900/Q-400 order announced earlier this month)


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1701 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):

They are getting 3 CRJ-900

They must look really good in Estonian colours, I wish they visit HEL too.
Damn, now I really want fly to TLL and see the pretty Tallinn again... I live next to Helsinki harbour where the bigger ferries to Tallinn leave, but I rather fly - though the drive to HEL takes longer than the flight.


User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1690 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 7):
They must look really good in Estonian colours, I wish they visit HEL too.

An artistic view is depicted here:
http://www.bombardier.com/MediaCente...gid=3_0&cid=1&did=8855&Language=en

Not bad Big grin


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