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Yet Another El Al Incident?  
User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

In a (free) Swiss newspaper called "20 minutes".

Article title was

"An airplane flies with a hole in the wing"

and then it continues:

"JERUSALEM. An El Al airplane flying to Canada experienced on Thursday a rare accident but with no consequences. One of its tires exploded on take-off and this resulted in a hole in a wing, the Israeli airline indicated yesterday. The plane was nevertheless able to reach Toronto."


Seems weird, and I don't find any other source related to this incident.

Any info?


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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Here is a link to the story on an Israeli website (Hebrew) with a video:
http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=545726&sid=126



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Many thanks for the link!


"עו"ד גל פלג, חוקר תאונות תעופה אמר כי בנס נמנע אסון. "בעצם היה פה מזל" הוא אומר ומסביר כי לו היו נפגעים מיכלי הדלק שקרובים לחור שנוצר בכנף האירוע היה מסתיים עם נפגעים רבים. במשרד התחבורה ובאל-על חוקרים את האירוע - הם רוצים להבטיח שתמונות כאלו לא ישנו.
עוד כתבות ב בארץ


הוסף תגובה לכתבה הדפסת כתבה שלחו כתבה שלח לסלולר לדיון בפורום"




In this small report, Gal Peleg, who is decribed as being a lawyer specializing in aviation accidents inquiries, says that "a disaster was averted [only] by miracle".

Do we know already for sure that the part of the wing detached as a result of the tire explosion? I wonder from which news agency the information came to my Swiss newspaper.....


It is very disturbing to read again and again about technical incidents or "security breaches" plaguing El Al flights.



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3091 times:



Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 2):
Do we know already for sure that the part of the wing detached as a result of the tire explosion?

I don't think they left the gate with a hole in the wing.
As far as I know only the spoiler was hit (the flaps were "saved" probably because they were in take-off position) so I think it was the tire who did the damage (it was a hole, not a detachment) and not something else.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

How can a airplane fly with a hole in its wing?


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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2999 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 4):
How can a airplane fly with a hole in its wing?

I will ask a different question.
Does an airplane should crash because of a small hole in the wing which doesn't affect the fuel tanks (comparing to the big area of the wings)?

I don't think so.

An Israeli Air Force F15 landed safely after losing a whole wing (maybe it’s the same pilot and he trained for that  Smile ) so there should be no problems.

Anyway, it was a night take-off and the pilot didn't notice anything. Only several hours into the flight the pilots received a message that they lost a tire and only after there was some daylight, they saw the damage.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2988 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 5):

An Israeli Air Force F15 landed safely after losing a whole wing (maybe it’s the same pilot and he trained for that Smile ) so there should be no problems.

Yes but fighter jets are much diffrent, agree?



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2965 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 6):
Yes but fighter jets are much diffrent, agree?

Yes and no.
They are different but then again, they both have body, wings, engines and the physics is the same.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2923 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 7):
They are different but then again, they both have body, wings, engines and the physics is the same.

Yes but the case of a fighter jet they were much smaller so they were able to say in the air.



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

And is it normal that an exploded tire might cause such a damage to a wing?

How did the plane land in Toronto? Emergency procedure?

The picture looks rather frightening. A few years back (2005?), an El Al 757 en route to Marseilles also lost a portion of a wing, and the pilots decided to return to TLV instead of continuing to destination or to make an emergency landing in Italy (it was said that the incident was noticed a half distance between TLV and Marseilles, so the plane must have been somewhere over Italy). For this incident too, I was never able to find any explanation.



To Avi -

Since you seem to get access to lots of aviation related news, you might hopefully provide me with some information concerning the "electrical fire" incident which happened on a 777 last December...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3870474



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2701 times:



Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 9):
How did the plane land in Toronto? Emergency procedure?

Emergency vehicles waited for them but it was a normal landing.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 9):
Since you seem to get access to lots of aviation related news, you might hopefully provide me with some information concerning the "electrical fire" incident which happened on a 777 last December...

I don't have "inside information". I find link here, link there but nothing special. I don't have info about the B777 incident.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2644 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 7):
body, wings, engines and the physics is the same.

...you're joking with this, right?

You realize it took McDD engineers working overtime to even figure out how it was possible that that happened... only to find that the F15's airflow profile at the speeds at which it operates are more akin to a missile than an airliner-- don't you?

The same would not apply to a pax craft.


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2597 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 7):
Quoting A380US (Reply 6):
Yes but fighter jets are much diffrent, agree?

Yes and no.
They are different but then again, they both have body, wings, engines and the physics is the same.

Avi, he is right. A fighter is VERY different in terms of maneuvering, capabilities, limitations and a bunch of other things. Fighter jets are made to fly in extreme conditions and suffer massive damage without disintegrating or sustaining other disasters. Manufacturers of commercial aircraft don't exactly focus on building the jet such that it is able to enter an open war zone, do its thing, and get out of there as quickly as possible, much less do they focus on allowing commercial jets to suffer damage yet survive and even evade air-air or land-air attacks and battles.



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2533 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):
You realize it took McDD engineers working overtime to even figure out how it was possible that that happened... only to find that the F15's airflow profile at the speeds at which it operates are more akin to a missile than an airliner-- don't you?

The same would not apply to a pax craft.



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 12):
Avi, he is right. A fighter is VERY different in terms of maneuvering, capabilities, limitations and a bunch of other things. Fighter jets are made to fly in extreme conditions and suffer massive damage without disintegrating or sustaining other disasters. Manufacturers of commercial aircraft don't exactly focus on building the jet such that it is able to enter an open war zone, do its thing, and get out of there as quickly as possible, much less do they focus on allowing commercial jets to suffer damage yet survive and even evade air-air or land-air attacks and battles.

Guys, I don't really think a passenger aircraft can fly with only one wing (not even with 1.5 or 1.75 wings).

However, A380US asked: How can a airplane fly with a hole in its wing? and I said it can. A small hole (that doesn't do any damage to any other system) simply won't cause to an aircraft to crash (the F15 story was a side note).

I don't remember how much wing the DHL A300 lost in Iraq but it survived (and that one lost all hydraulics!!!).



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2523 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 13):
However, A380US asked: How can a airplane fly with a hole in its wing? and I said it can. A small hole (that doesn't do any damage to any other system) simply won't cause to an aircraft to crash (the F15 story was a side note).

In that case, I agree.



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

According to this website http://www.crash-aerien.com/www/news/article.php?id=8328&check=0, what happened is not yet known. It is written that the plane took off from TLV at 13:20 and that pax took pictures and filmed the wing with the missing part. For instance, we don't know yet at which point did the pilots learn about the incident




Thanks Avi. And on this incident possibly?

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 9):
A few years back (2005?), an El Al 757 en route to Marseilles also lost a portion of a wing, and the pilots decided to return to TLV




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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2455 times:



Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 15):
Thanks Avi. And on this incident possibly?

Sorry.



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