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Delta Now To Reinspect 133 Planes  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24813 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 9517 times:



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Delta reinspects 133 planes over wiring directive

Wed Mar 26, 2008 WASHINGTON, March 26 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines said on Wednesday it is reinspecting 133 planes to ensure compliance with a government directive on wiring inspections, and expects some cancellations.

A spokeswoman said the airline, acting voluntarily but after consulting with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), is rechecking its entire MD-series fleet, including 117 MD-88s and 16 MD-90s.

Delta said it expected some flight cancellations but was not more specific.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...sNews/idUKN2640691020080326?rpc=44


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User currently offlineComairGuyCVG From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 9358 times:

I figured Delta would probably be next...along with all other carriers that fly the MD-80/90.

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

If anything, SLC will be affected. They have a pretty large MD presence.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

I saw this coming. Kinda of odd...our last RON flight tonight to DAB (which is an MD88) just cancelled, but the reason was because of hydraulic issues (and I'm assuming no more 88s were available). But usually they can find a ship to use in place of it...perhaps not now since they're need to inspect any that are ATL. Anyways, going home early tonight, hooray!

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 8960 times:

This worries me, as the wife and I are flying on a M88 from OKC to ATL on Saturday before doubling back to LAS. Anyone know if they'll have the inspections done by then?

User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 8771 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
Anyone know if they'll have the inspections done by then?

You should be good to go - inspections will be done today and tomorrow.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 8764 times:

What's interesting is that so far, from what I know, none of these emergency checks have shown anything wrong with any airline. If anyone has different information, please post it.


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 8717 times:
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Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
This worries me, as the wife and I are flying on a M88 from OKC to ATL on Saturday before doubling back to LAS. Anyone know if they'll have the inspections done by then?

As much as I like to rip on DL, I have complete faith in them that they won't release the plane for operation until they have been fully inspected and the AD has been complied with.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months ago) and read 8649 times:

I kind of assumed that after the FAA fined WN that all US Carriers would be going back and double checking ADs and maintenance records on all their aircraft. I'm sure we will be hearing cases like these pop up every once in a while for the next couple of weeks.


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User currently offlineDavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months ago) and read 8481 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
just cancelled, but the reason was because of hydraulic issues

DL0484 cancelled inbound tonight, in turn cancelling DL1773 CMH-CVG in the morning. The reason that is being put in the remarks for it (and almost all of the other MD-88 cancellations I've looked up in the schedule) is for hydraulic issues.



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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8319 times:



Quoting David21487 (Reply 9):
The reason that is being put in the remarks for it (and almost all of the other MD-88 cancellations I've looked up in the schedule) is for hydraulic issues.

That's because the AD is for the aux hydraulic pump wiring harness. This is going to get ugly......

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User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8312 times:
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it looks like Delta cancelled most of the 6am M88 flights departing from stations around the southeast -- meaning that the planes aren't RON-ning outside of ATL tonight and the inbound was canceled too.

I looked at SDF, BNA, TLH and SAT and all of the late departures tonight from ATL to the out station were canceled and the inbound back to ATL at 6am is canceled too. Lets hope they get the system up and running quickly in the morning given these pre-cancellations. MX is going to be VERY busy at ATL tonight. I can't imagine how many M88s are going to be on the ground there tonight.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8287 times:

Suddenly UA grounding 6 747s doesn't seem like a big deal...

It's good that the airlines are now going back and voluntarily inspecting possible issues after the WN incident, but I feel that the FAA is really more at fault here for letting this become an issue in the first place.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

What exactly ARE the wiring issues on the MDs.. I know they used to have kapton wiring, which burned easily, but I thought all of that was replaced a while ago (after the swissair 111 accident)

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8211 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
What's interesting is that so far, from what I know, none of these emergency checks have shown anything wrong with any airline. If anyone has different information, please post it.

According to this article:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-american27mar27,0,7687245.story
if it's accurate, 80 American Airlines MD-80s had to have some work done on them as a result of the inspections.



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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8150 times:



Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 13):
What exactly ARE the wiring issues on the MDs.. I know they used to have kapton wiring, which burned easily, but I thought all of that was replaced a while ago (after the swissair 111 accident)

Here is the AD. http://www.slv.dk/Dokumenter/dscgi/d...903/2006-237-FAA-AD-2006-15-15.pdf

The link from the FAA page wouldn't work but the above link is the same info.

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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

About 30 flights cancelled so far today out of ATL, which is where most flight cancellations will be out of!!!!

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2084 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

Actually, as this AD applies to the DL fleet, only the MD88's are being re-inspected. The AD does not involve the MD90 fleet.

User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

As of 3am...Delta has cancelled 124 MD88s flts for 27MAR08......possibly more to come
it all depends on what they find.

Could the FAA maybe overreacted.......Hmmm.....or is there a deficiency with MD80 maintenance practices?

I just don't know....

KD


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4985 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Glad to see the airlines operating these aircraft taking the proactive measure. I wonder if G4 will be affected. Luckily the have down days during midweek to get the inspections done.


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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 901 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

I cant help but say this, but I find it TRULY funny how AA and their inspections were breaking news here in NY, meantime Delta quietly cancelled the flights begining yesterday while AA took the brunt of Media sensationalism.

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

Anyone in ATL - is it noticeable that there are a large number of MD88s sitting around the airport? Where are they all parked? Anyone got any interesting pics of some good lineups?

User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6790 times:



Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 18):

Could the FAA maybe overreacted.......Hmmm.....or is there a deficiency with MD80 maintenance practices?

I don't know, but it would seem that maybe the FAA is over reacting a bit. Looking at the word choice in the Delta release it would seem that the AD's have been complied with but that the FAA is asking them to recheck and verify that the work has been done properly. The release could have been word smithed I suppose, but I would think there would be more of a catastrophy in the schedule if they weren't absolutely sure that the AD had been complied with.

Interesting to note after reading the AD, thanks Dl757md, that the airlines had 18 months to comply with the checks and installation of the sleeve to protect the wiring. That 18 months expired about a month ago. I'm sure the word has come down from high above that all POI's should verify AD compliance after the WN oopsie. It just sounds like they are enforcing this verification as if it were an emergency AD with tons of interuptions to the schedule and bottom line. It almost seems as if they are just trying to flex a little muscle, like a parent yelling at all the other children after one got in trouble.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6790 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 14):
if it's accurate, 80 American Airlines MD-80s had to have some work done on them as a result of the inspections.

Ah, I was thinking along the lines of all the planes being checked for fuselage cracks, not this new wiring bundle thing.

It'll be interesting to see how quickly AA can fix that problem, though any facts printed in the latimes need to be confirmed elsewhere. They are one of the worst newspapers in the usa.



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User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

I imagine this could really upset Allegiant - anyone know if they are planning anything?

25 DALMD88 : I my opinion it is a stupid waste of time AD. The wiring for the Aux pump can possibly be damaged by the action of the hydraulic hand servicing pump
26 BR715-A1-30 : In my opinion, I think the FAA needs to compensate airlines for money lost in cancelling flights for a useless AD then. Unless it is a Safety of fligh
27 Jawake : Sorry, I totally disagree. The Reuter News Article at the top of the thread mentions this because of a 2006 FAA wiring directive. 2 years ago the FAA
28 737DAB320 : umm...no. That doesn't even make sense. It is the airline's job to comply with regulation. The regulation was put in place in 2006 according to the a
29 G4LASRamper : At G4 so far, AD 2006-15-15 has affected about a dozen or so of the fleet. So far, it has been just a visual re-inspect for us. If actual modification
30 Platinumfoota : Flew out of ATL on UA this morning, lots of MD88s and 90s on the ground, most in their hangers. Not the best time for the airlines to be grounding the
31 Twal1011727 : The FAA? Guess what....the FAA is a part of the U.S. gov't and that means you and me and the other 300 million taxpayers. KD
32 Pianos101 : SOOOO anyone out there (from DL) know if the 6am from phl to atl tomorrow will be cancelled? What about the 10am or later md80 flights?? Ugh...
33 FlyDeltaJets : According to Communications all flight should be back to schedule as of today 3/28/2008.....
34 Flighty : WN found numerous cracks on a number of their 733s that were inspected. One had a six-inch crack or something. Sorry I don't remember where I saw the
35 Dl757md : Did you read the AD? If not consider this from the summary of the AD. The actions specified by this AD are also intended to reduce the potential of a
36 Post contains images Warszawa : Apparently, all operators of the MD-8X series here in the USA had since September 2006 to implement the directives. The AD became effective September
37 ConcordeBoy : What's messed up is that:1995: a Chinese M11 burned to a cinder from ignited Metalized Mylar insulation from arched wiring... it was supposed to not
38 RobertS975 : As per the DL website on 3/28/08, all the MD88 inspections have been performed and all aircraft returned to service.
39 FlyPNS1 : The only people who call it this are sensationalists desperate for attention. While the FAA is far from perfect and has plenty of room for improvemen
40 ConcordeBoy : You gotta be kidding with this... Ten seconds of search is all it'd take to come up with as many examples of the FAA, and other such bodies like it,
41 XJET : So, you are saying that anytime a law is being complied with the government should compensate the business. If McDonald's is paying $1 more because o
42 FlyPNS1 : Using that criteria almost every government agency as well as thousands of corporations would be called "Tombstone Agencies." Again, calling an agenc
43 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Where's Flynavy when you need him...
44 Post contains images Pilotboi : He'll be back in a month. Don't ask.
45 Dl757md : There are other people on here in the know. Yes there were about 65 Md-88s out of service in ATL the first night and a couple dozen the second night.
46 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Well not sure if were tracking on the same page but what I meant was the whole picture deal
47 TrijetsRMissed : Okay, you guys are both mechanics for DL but have different views on the situation. Which one is it?
48 DL1011 : Delta had a year and a half to properly comply with this AD, why should the Feds grant an additional five days? I find it very scary that an AMT woul
49 ConcordeBoy : Who here is arguing that they couldn't? ...after mistake after mistake after mistake in which it knew of a high possibility of lives lost. The design
50 Catiii : It's my understanding that the inspections were the result of ambiguity in the AD itself. A friend from school is an MD-80 F/O at AA, and tells me tha
51 727forever : Well said. Again, from the memo's that I've read it seems as though the DL fleet was done properly in the first place but they fealt compelled to con
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