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User currently offlineLaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 579 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

I was on seatguru.com doing research for partners, and I saw that AS did not have an alliance. Although, they are still partners with most of the One World partners. AA still uses AS as a partner. Was AS even in the One World Alliance. If anyone has answers, they would be greatly appreciated.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

I don't believe AS has been affiliated with any alliance. They also have relationships with many Skyteam arilines. AS' strategy is heavily focused on codesharing.

User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8091 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
Was AS even in the One World Alliance

I doubt it. They don't really have much to bring to the table besides niche markets in the northwest. Everything else is already covered. That's why they have a few private partnerships for their Northwest/Alaska flights. (CO, AA, etc.)


User currently offlineAsuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8061 times:

AS was never in any alliance they do codeshare with AA, CO and NW, though.

User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Alaska is not part of any alliance.

That said, they have a long standing marketing agreement with AA, as well as most of the members of SkyTeam (NW, CO, DL being the three strongest with reciprocal code sharing, etc. on some of their flights. In fact, in both CO and DLs websites, they are now both showing AS flights connecting to CO or DL services. This speaks to the increased cooperation between the SkyTeam carriers and Alaska.

Will Alaska join an alliance? Right now, there is no real need for Alaska to do so. Having the marketing agreements as they do with both AA (for OneWorld) and SkyTeam, they have the best of all worlds; very favorable prorate agreements for carrying passengers on both sides of the code on their (AS) flights, as well as rather substantial marketing support. This exists as much for AA as it does for SkyTeam. Of course, there are other agreements within the framework of the deals they have with these carriers...

Look for Alaska to remain independent for the moment...unless they receive an offer they can't refuse.

baw716
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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5913 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7878 times:

I wish we could just get this over with and merge CO and AS.
It's not like the state would be losing anything- AS is actually based in Seattle. Hence we sometimes call them "Seattle Airlines."

Anyhoo, back on topic, no, AS was not in 1W. They've been in bed with AA for a very long time, though. Since the late 80s, I think.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7852 times:



Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 2):
They don't really have much to bring to the table besides niche markets in the northwest.

You are kidding, right? Those niche markets are a cash cow and have disproportionately high levels of air travel



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Would be nice if the joined the Skyteam group.

chuck


User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7079 times:



Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 2):
I doubt it. They don't really have much to bring to the table besides niche markets in the northwest.

You mean that tiny little market that only has probably some of the most important corporations in the world. Including, you know, that little company whose software is used as the operating system of 98% of the WORLD'S desktops and laptops (Microsoft). That little niche market, as you refer to it, has extremely high levels of traffic for the population of the region. Further AS now serves markets on the east coast and florida from the Pacific NW.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Alaska codeshares with many of the international carriers at both PDX and SEA ... that way they benefit from the international traffic and the international carriers benefit from the domestic feed.

everyone wins ... nobody looses.


User currently offlineTommyBoy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6927 times:



Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 8):

....and let's not forget that other little niche in the Pacific SOUTHWEST...LAX to Mexico, where Alaska is the biggest carrier....


User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5452 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 7):
Would be nice if the joined the Skyteam group.

I agree with you...however, if I look at how AS is positioned from their point of view, it makes no sense. They have 95% of everything they would receive under an Alliance scheme, without all the restrictions. In their current setup, they feed both OneWorld and SkyTeam (more so then latter), but for them, having agreements with both alliances (or rather carriers within those alliances, to be more accurate) gives them the benefits of participating in both alliances without having the restrictions that would be imposed on them if they joined OneWorld or SkyTeam.

So, I don't see them changing anything unless the competitive landscape changes. In this business, we have to expect that anything is possible. Alaska's positioning allows them the freedom to evaluate how the industry landscape is changing and make the necessary adjustments in order to take advantage of the situation as it develops.

In this regard, I have a lot of respect for the management folks at AS who have positioned themselves really well. As with many, I am critical of some of the actions AS has taken. That said, if I look at it from the cold hard perspective of management (as I have been in the past), they haven't done a half bad job for their stockholders...and at the end of the day, making money is then entire idea...which in the current environment is damn hard to do.

baw716



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User currently offlineDCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5415 times:



Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 2):
I doubt it. They don't really have much to bring to the table besides niche markets in the northwest.

Those niche markets sure generate a lot of revenue... and they have the state of Alaska by the balls.



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User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4955 times:



Quoting DCrawley (Reply 12):
Those niche markets sure generate a lot of revenue... and they have the state of Alaska by the balls.

Do they ever! They are the only passenger airline to most places in Alaska. And they have 2 of the 3 major regionals under their wings! I THINK they let NW and/or DL fly to FAI during the summer season, but if anyone else tries to, they slash their prices so much, other airlines eventually pull out. I know UA flew up to FAI in the past, but couldn't keep up with AS.

They really have it made up here, and 95% of Alaskans are VERY loyal to AS(50% of that 90% are because they HAVE to be) but it works for AS.

Their revenue from the fisheries up here alone are amazing, not to mention the subsidies from the gov't and then the fact that logistically, 75% of all goods are flown into the interior...guess where the cargo goes?


User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4778 times:



Quoting AS777 (Reply 13):
Their revenue from the fisheries up here alone are amazing, not to mention the subsidies from the gov't and then the fact that logistically, 75% of all goods are flown into the interior...guess where the cargo goes?

Does AS still fly combi's in Alaska?


User currently offlineBrianHames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4556 times:



Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 14):
Does AS still fly combi's in Alaska?

The 200C's are all gone from the fleet. Now they fly 400C's.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3859 times:



Quoting AS777 (Reply 13):
I THINK they let NW and/or DL fly to FAI during the summer season,

Whoa, there!

AS doesn't "LET" anyone fly to Alaska. Those carriers do it because Alaska is part of the US and the US is a deregulated market meaning any carrier can fly to any point in the US.

Further, DL and NW fly to Alaska year around as do several other carriers.


AS is the dominant carrier to Alaska but they do not control all traffic to/from Alaska.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3778 times:



Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 14):
Does AS still fly combi's in Alaska?

Asked and answered

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
Further, DL and NW fly to Alaska year around as do several other carriers.

Ohhh, those 1 ro 2 flights day sure do put the pressure on AS!! {sarcastic]

AS gouges every pax up here . . . sorry my friend (EA CO AS) . . . and they are the ONLY ride to many places. Expand your geographical knowledge about Alaska in general and you'd get that . . .

No one else is doing 5-6-7 turns to FAI in the winter.

No one else is going to do JNU in the winter.

AS has a monopoly here . . . do not ever underestimate that.

When anyone else enters the market they do so to feed their own routes . . . and the don't even try to compete with AS on the Whereever to ANC route . . . that would be a futile effort. They rely on customer loyalty and destination for the pax count.

Occasionally, we'll see CO run a sale from SEA-ANC . . . and AS generally, instantly meets that fare - for the window that flight will operate. Otherwise, it's back to the AS $$$ sucking of Alaskans.


User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3454 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
Whoa, there!

AS doesn't "LET" anyone fly to Alaska. Those carriers do it because Alaska is part of the US and the US is a deregulated market meaning any carrier can fly to any point in the US.

Further, DL and NW fly to Alaska year around as do several other carriers.


AS is the dominant carrier to Alaska but they do not control all traffic to/from Alaska.

I was talking about flights to FAI, not Alaska in general. And using price control, AS DOES choose who gets to fly where within Alaska and(for the most part) on their routes to and from Alaska.

PS...thank you ANCFlyer......you are now on my respected list!


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13702 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3318 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
AS has a monopoly here . . . do not ever underestimate that

It's not truly a monopoly, since AS doesn't have exclusive control of the marketplace - anyone is free to enter the market anytime they wish. They'll just have to learn to effectively compete in small markets with extremely high operating costs and unique operating conditions that only a handful of carriers are able or willing to cope with.

Quoting AS777 (Reply 18):
PS...thank you ANCFlyer......you are now on my respected list!

Don't encourage him.  Wink



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3061 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
AS gouges every pax up here . . . sorry my friend (EA CO AS) . . . and they are the ONLY ride to many places. Expand your geographical knowledge about Alaska in general and you'd get that . . .



Quoting AS777 (Reply 18):
And using price control, AS DOES choose who gets to fly where within Alaska and(for the most part) on their routes to and from Alaska.

EA CO US does indeed get it. AS has a niche market and they serve it well.... I've been there multiple times. But they do not have padlocks on the gates to keep "foreigners" out. Anyone can compete in Alaska if they want to.

Many of you don't remember the attempts that have been made to add competition in Alaska but they ween't successful. Anyone who has the endurance and the cost structure can take AS on. Alaska is a small market for most of the year so cutting prices doesn't stimulate the market. But it is entirely possible someone else could choose to fly there and challenge AS. Perhaps that's part of why AS has no many partners.... other carriers have more to gain from codesharing on AS than trying to go after its core markets.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2595 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
since AS doesn't have exclusive control of the marketplace

 faint 

OK. Markair - as crappy as they were tried . . . and got their  butthead  handed to them. . .

Wein before that . . .

now, I'm no dumbass, I understand the market, I live here . . . but without capital up here you die . . . and whenj AS was fighting the MarkAir war here, how did they handle it? Increased fares in each market in which they did not compete with MarkAir . . .

Ditto Morris Air . . . and anyone else that presses their market share here . .

Once DL pulled out of JNU in the summer what happened to lower 48 fares???????

When UA bailed on FAI what happened to fares there????

C'Mon man . . I'll buy you the beer of your choice when I finally meet you . . . but you gotta admit, AS plays the market!! And the losers here are Alaskans!


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13702 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
whenj AS was fighting the MarkAir war here, how did they handle it? Increased fares in each market in which they did not compete with MarkAir . . .

Kind of a different story, though - BF was a partner with AS at one point and then went head-to-head with AS in an attempt to get AS to buy them out. So BF went to a scorched-earth campaign against AS and lost, since AS was far more reliable and had better amenities.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Ditto Morris Air . . .

...who was so attractive that WN bought them and deployed most of those assets to their (then) fledgling operations at BWI and into the Florida market.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Once DL pulled out of JNU in the summer what happened to lower 48 fares???????

When UA bailed on FAI what happened to fares there????

And in all fairness, what happened to those fare levels since then? I'll guarantee they haven't gone up much, if at all. That was what, over 12 years ago when DL pulled the plug on JNU and yet the fares haven't really budged? And yet the cost of flying people to/from JNU certainly hasn't stayed the same...

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
I'll buy you the beer of your choice when I finally meet you . . . but you gotta admit, AS plays the market!!

And I'll gladly take you up on that, thank you! But I still don't necessarily agree that the market gets "played" in a negative sense. Especially considering the level of service (number of nonstops/mainline jet service) that communities in the State of Alaska have via AS vs. comparably-sized communities in the lower 48 that struggle to even have regional jet service.

But we'll agree to disagree - especially because I know we agree on just about everything else!  bigthumbsup 



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