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Pacific Blue To Fly To IVC & DUD From July!  
User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

this just out. Worthy of its own thread.

Domestic only at this stage. Hope they get some international flights to give NZ some competition out of DUD at least & it would be great to see international flights finally into IVC after something like 12 years of charter plans.

1st time 738's into both ports we believe.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4900 times:
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A link to back this up?

If true, the question needs to be asked, is DJ interested in flying to ports that will create demand, profits and where people actually want to go to, like DUD/ZQN/ROT or ports that have a population falling yearly and couldn't support jets years back even with a bigger population, and turbo-props were required to operate successfully like IVC?


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4894 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
A link to back this up?

If true, the question needs to be asked, is DJ interested in flying to ports that will create demand, profits and where people actually want to go to, like DUD/ZQN/ROT or ports that have a population falling yearly and couldn't support jets years back even with a bigger population, and turbo-props were required to operate successfully like IVC?

no link but reliable source.

Kind of seems strange no mention of ZQN.

Maybe IVC has low frequency to start with on a use it or lose it basis.

Anyway great news for IVC & surrounds !!!!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 2):
Maybe IVC has low frequency to start with on a use it or lose it basis.

With the B738s, I will give the IVC services till X-mas. There is no way IVC can handle a B738 domestically, ATR/Q300s serve IVC well, and with jets IVC residents will simply loose big time.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4865 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
With the B738s, I will give the IVC services till X-mas. There is no way IVC can handle a B738 domestically, ATR/Q300s serve IVC well, and with jets IVC residents will simply loose big time.

come on give them a chance. Might only be once a day, but sure beats NZ prop jets anyday.

I assumed 738's ... maybe PB has something else in mind ??? Like a 737-700 from DJ or even an e-jet.

Anyway, it will be officially announced soon, so hopefully they say what aircraft.

Perhaps IVC flights will connect with Trans-Tasman flight ex CHC or wherever, so IVC residents will have another option apart from NZ.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 4):
Perhaps IVC flights will connect with Trans-Tasman flight ex CHC or wherever, so IVC residents will have another option apart from NZ.

Then DJ won't get many pax at all. DJs only INTL flights out of CHC depart between 7-8am and 8pm. Useless timings for familys with kids, especially small children. Arrivals into CHC from oz are at midnight and around 3pm. Only the arrivals into CHC would work for IVC. If that was the case, and DJ were timing the flights for INTL, then DJ would only get Intl pax and not pax going to CHC. But if the flights weren't timed for Intl flights, then both DJ and IVC residents will loose both ways


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4840 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 4):
Perhaps IVC flights will connect with Trans-Tasman flight ex CHC or wherever, so IVC residents will have another option apart from NZ.

Then DJ won't get many pax at all. DJs only INTL flights out of CHC depart between 7-8am and 8pm. Useless timings for familys with kids, especially small children. Arrivals into CHC from oz are at midnight and around 3pm. Only the arrivals into CHC would work for IVC. If that was the case, and DJ were timing the flights for INTL, then DJ would only get Intl pax and not pax going to CHC. But if the flights weren't timed for Intl flights, then both DJ and IVC residents will loose both ways

Int timings might change or via AKL ?

Who knows. Maybe DJ will do $39 fares to CHC from IVC & then pax can fly any airline out of CHC.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4840 times:
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I'm not buying DJ going to IVC. DJ has said in the public view that either DUD or IVC would get DJ servides, and not both. I doubt DJ want to risk being accused of lying, especially with their recent bashing in the media here about their delays.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4820 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 6):
Int timings might change or via AKL ?

Why would they change their timings, when they currently work just fine! If DJ changed their timings to oz, then their current 7-8am flights wouldn't arrive till around 11am-12pm to best work with IVC, which is simply useless for business pax from CHC who will simply use NZ, JQ or QF. If the current 8pm time was changed to say 4pm departure from CHC, then it would require extra aircraft, which means extra costs. A 4pm departure would be better though. With the arriving flights from Oz, the current 3pm arrival would be the only flight that would work well for an afternoon IVC service, like say departure around 5-6pm from CHC,

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 6):
or via AKL ?

The morning flights from AKL to oz wouldn't work, but the Apia flight works, but the afternoon oz flights are the same as CHC. Arrivals into AKL work fine

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 6):
Maybe DJ will do $39 fares to CHC from IVC & then pax can fly any airline out of CHC.

Thats the same fare DJ had for their launch here, now fares are from $49 (WLG-CHC) up to $79 (AKL-CHC). I would suspect fares from IVC would be from around $59 due to its distance.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

You certainly have an exceptional source if this is true, and that person is worth their weight in Speights. If IVC is going to get the nod, they will have to work quickly to get the airport up to standard to accept a large jet. I don't think we should be too worried about international connecting traffic to other ports. Even for AirNZ carrying connecting traffic onto its own international services only counts for a small percentage of its domestic traffic. PB could carry IVC passengers to CHC to get onto the EK flight to SYD and DXB.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4815 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Thread starter):
this just out. Worthy of its own thread.

LoL you been at Friday drinks again  Smile


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Well this is all i found for a link

http://www.etravelblackboard.co.nz/article.asp?nav=117&id=56434



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4720 times:
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Quoting Nzrich (Reply 11):

Thanks for the link. Looks like its official. Still surprised DJ isn't interested in ZQN, as a ZQN service would get more then both DUD and IVC


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

OK, that link is hopeful. Perhaps DJ will codeshare on Mainland between IVC and DUD?

User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4451 times:



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 11):
Well this is all i found for a link

http://www.etravelblackboard.co.nz/a...56434

ok but this article is nearly 6 weeks old.

Apparently official announcment from company is only day or 2 away & yet might only be 1 of 2 city. Not sure what is going on, with our mention of both DUD & IVC. PB might be playing games trying to get lower charges out of one of these airports.

DJ had a huge ball (3000 + people apparently, at hangar at BNE last night).

Do anythings get announced at these functions or just lots of drinking ?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Thanks for the link. Looks like its official. Still surprised DJ isn't interested in ZQN, as a ZQN service would get more then both DUD and IVC

Maybe PB is playing with ZQN as well, as ZQN has reputation as being high cost airport & hard to deal with, as guess they have lots of jet services (but not enough interntional-that's another story), whereas IVC don't currently have a single commercial jet service of any kind.

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 9):
If IVC is going to get the nod, they will have to work quickly to get the airport up to standard to accept a large jet. I don't think we should be too worried about international connecting traffic to other ports. Even for AirNZ carrying connecting traffic onto its own international services only counts for a small percentage of its domestic traffic. PB could carry IVC passengers to CHC to get onto the EK flight to SYD and DXB.

IVC has handled NZ 733's in past & also diversions from ZQN, QF 733's or 734's. Don't know if IVC has handled any diversions from ZQN witrh NZ 320's or QF 738's since services from OZ were upgraded from 733's.

Don't think iVC will be spending lots tarting up airport terminal. To stay a low cost airport, they have to keep it simple.

Never flown into AVV but apparently fairly basic. Apparently some of ports Ryanair & Air Asia fly into r very basic as well.

Old story K.I.S.S. !!!

Also connecting with EK at CHC sounds like a great idea !!!


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2276 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4448 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 4):
I assumed 738's ... maybe PB has something else in mind ??? Like a 737-700 from DJ or even an e-jet.

I would say it's a 738, as VH-VUH is leaving the Virgin fleet at the start of June, coming over here to be registered as ZK-PBI. Transition check is being done at ANZES CHC.

NZ1


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4438 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 14):
Never flown into AVV but apparently fairly basic. Apparently some of ports Ryanair & Air Asia fly into r very basic as well.

Yes - very basic... Have only fowln into AVV not out, but baggae claim is in a tin shit... the sort of variety that could be put up in about half a day.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4423 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 14):
Apparently official announcment from company is only day or 2 away & yet might only be 1 of 2 city. Not sure what is going on, with our mention of both DUD & IVC. PB might be playing games trying to get lower charges out of one of these airports.

DJ had a huge ball (3000 + people apparently, at hangar at BNE last night).

Do anythings get announced at these functions or just lots of drinking ?

The word from PB management in NZ a couple of weeks ago was that they were still choosing between DUD and IVC. BG's comments may have been more recent than that, but local management seemed to be saying it would be one, but not both. A couple of years ago VB told DUD Airport management they would love to fly to DUD, and by the way would Dunedin like to underwrite the costs of the flights. Dunedin said thanks, but no thanks. Perhaps Tim is happier about spending his ratepayers' money.

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 14):
VC has handled NZ 733's in past & also diversions from ZQN, QF 733's or 734's. Don't know if IVC has handled any diversions from ZQN witrh NZ 320's or QF 738's since services from OZ were upgraded from 733's.

IVC has handled diversions where passengers stayed on board the planes. IVC will need an airport capable of dealing with planes with more than 90 seats. Maybe they can have the equipment shipped down from PMR.


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4417 times:



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 15):
Transition check is being done at ANZES CHC.

what's involved in a transition check ? Is it just bureaucratic ? If aircraft is ok to fly with DJ why would it need a check to fly with PB ?

Quoting ANstar (Reply 16):
Never flown into AVV but apparently fairly basic. Apparently some of ports Ryanair & Air Asia fly into r very basic as well.

Yes - very basic... Have only fowln into AVV not out, but baggae claim is in a tin shit... the sort of variety that could be put up in about half a day.

hey if it works ...

IVC have a number of tin sheds already.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 18):
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 15):
Transition check is being done at ANZES CHC.

what's involved in a transition check ? Is it just bureaucratic ? If aircraft is ok to fly with DJ why would it need a check to fly with PB ?

PB livery needs to be applied, plus NZ CAA requirments as its going to the ZK database


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4380 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 17):
IVC has handled diversions where passengers stayed on board the planes

a few QF 733's have been ddiverted from ZQN & pax have cleared customs at IVC & got ground transfers back to ZQN.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
plus NZ CAA requirments as its going to the ZK database

what a load of nonscience. You'd think SAM would have got rid of this silly duplication.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4374 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 20):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
plus NZ CAA requirments as its going to the ZK database

what a load of nonscience. You'd think SAM would have got rid of this silly duplication.

SAM wouldn't have anything to do with this, as the aircraft is changing from a VH rego to a ZK rego. If it was staying on the VH rego then it wouldn't require NZ CAA requirments. Each countrys rules are different in regards to aircrafts regos.


User currently offlineRwy21 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4358 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 18):
IVC have a number of tin sheds already.

the whole place is a tin shed almost

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 20):
Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 17):
IVC has handled diversions where passengers stayed on board the planes

a few QF 733's have been ddiverted from ZQN & pax have cleared customs at IVC & got ground transfers back to ZQN.

hasnt happened for quite a while and dont even know if the tin shed still has its couple of tables for processing. I know the full processing didnt happen often and was often more trouble than it was worth, passenger complaints etc, unsecure airport meaning plane leaves empty, was better to divert to a better airport (DUD, CHC etc). ZQNs diversions to anywhere are significantly down in recent years, The only side letting the situation down a bit is Qantas who have a pretty bad reputation with locals around Otago for diverting/cancelling.


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2276 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4301 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 18):

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 15):
Transition check is being done at ANZES CHC.

what's involved in a transition check ? Is it just bureaucratic ? If aircraft is ok to fly with DJ why would it need a check to fly with PB ?

The transition check includes bridging maintenance to take it from the VB to PB maintenance program. They are both different. Also, it will be changing from the VH to ZK register, which entails a lot of mods to satisfy NZCAA, such as decals, exterior/interior markings etc. It is actually a lot of work, and is usually done over a 4 - 5 day period.

NZ1


User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4238 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
PB livery needs to be applied

VH-VUH is already in PacificBlue livery. It was repainted from VirginBlue's colourscheme some time ago in anticipation of it's transferral to New Zealand.


25 Pilotdude09 : Well i was told DUD was a done deal, guess we will wait and see. Also i heard that they want INTL services by end of year. Especially now Dunedin has
26 REALDEAL : seems stupid tho now we have SAM. Latest news, is IVC is out, DUD is in. Apparently DJ flew IVC officials up to BNE for DJ balll last night & only ad
27 Pilotdude09 : Facilities wouldnt be able to be ready most likely and the fact that they wont make any money!
28 REALDEAL : Why would DJ fly IVC officials up to BNE only to tell them they've been shafted ? Hope they drank a lot of free booze & then vomited all over DJ twit
29 DJ738 : Just where do you get this stuff from?
30 Alangirvan : Big give away at the Ball would have been when they drew the door prize, and it was not a ticket to Invercargill. From NZ Listener, a few years ago.
31 REALDEAL : very reliable source - NZ aviation CEO
32 Post contains images 777ER : IVC actually has those Wow IVC is really moving up in this world, and must feel as special as Waipukuaru (small farming town in the Hawkes Bay)! Afte
33 REALDEAL : yes but IVC is still possibly best way to get to Queenstown from Australia apart from nonstops of course for those who don't care what the fare is. W
34 Post contains images Rwy21 : ..yeah but we havent had those things for all that long, BK, subway has only been a few years every once in a while they bring something new in on th
35 Hornetfan : I think it already has and moved on to Bagdhad.
36 777ER : Those flights to CHC are cheap! Is that a sign about how popular IVC was back then?
37 Alangirvan : You sure about this? I did not think Etihad (EY) had started to NZ, though it would be great if they did. It would be great to have AUH-BNE-DUD in an
38 Pilotdude09 : So what happened to this announcement today???? So wonder when its confirmed?
39 GarethW : I think REALDEAL means EK. Good buying nevertheless.
40 REALDEAL : yes sorry EK - was typing real fast
41 ANstar : LoL... I do that all the time, glad Im not the only one
42 Koruman : Unfortunately, REALDEAL, that's more or less the volume any aircraft from Australia to Invercargill would carry. Mate, the place has half the populat
43 REALDEAL : Haven't seen anyone ramping up nonstop flights into ZQN from OZ lately ? With potentil blood bath breweing across the Pacific, many people might wait
44 Koruman : Didn't you see the V Australia launch? The lead-in fare of $1899 is ex-Sydney only, with add-ons for all other Australian ports. I've just dummy-book
45 Pilotdude09 : Personally id rather do that, you can pick up extremely cheap package deals and Queenstown is not cheap, far from it. Everything you do costs you a f
46 CupraIbiza : Other aviation forums claim Pacific Blue is close to grounding planes due pilot shortage, either that is rubbish.... or this is
47 CupraIbiza : Specifically that the aforementioned grounding has been averted (for now) by the delaying the introduction of the 8th Pacific Blue frame.
48 DJ738 : It is the introduction of the SEVENTH a/c (ZK-PBI) that has been delayed.
49 CupraIbiza : There you go. Thanks DJ738. Actions speak louder than words.
50 777ER : NZ has recently with MEL
51 Post contains links Spinaltap : There is an afternoon (evenings on Sat) flight to BNE every day. ??? This weeks International schedule for CHC http://www.christchurch-airport.co.n...
52 777ER : Those flights quoted were from the CHC web-site
53 777ER : The wait for this announcment is started to eat me away, when will it be announced?
54 REALDEAL : there will be lots of sale fares, maybe not at $999 inc & less for kids ex SYD to LAX, but much cheaper than's what's out there especially QF. What w
55 Rwy21 : Think this summer there was more flights than any previous summer season and in winter they always get ramped up Pacific Blue have a large ad in toda
56 Post contains links Rwy21 : Pacific Blue makes their announcement that they will begin flying to Dunedin from July 1. The first initial services will be a around a midday service
57 TN757Flyer : Not being a citizen of New Zealand, I'm curious of some posts here. A couple years ago I spent a 6 week vacation in the country, pretty much covering
58 Pilotdude09 : Yay! Finally, but a bit disappointing. 1 service CHC-DUD-CHC! Could of put a daily AKL-DUD-AKL which is needed, Air NZ seems to always go out full and
59 Pilotdude09 : There just really isnt anything there, except for Bluff and Stuart Island. I mean you couldn't spend 5 days in Invercargill, you would be bored shitl
60 777ER : DJ is going to hurt NZ in DUD, especially when NZ have ATRs on the CHC run. When will DJ announce the further Intl flights from WLG? Yes it has got s
61 Alangirvan : The new service is an AKL-CHC-DUD service. I am not sure if it is same plane, but there is only about 40 minutes between flights at CHC. I don't think
62 NZ1 : Remember, when ZK-PBI arrives, that will still only be 3 aircraft dedicated to main trunk domestic services. Not many really against the 4 of QF and
63 TN757Flyer : Umm, ok thanks. Been to all the places mentioned by you and others. I just overnighted in Invercargill so I guess I didn't get to "see" it. I will ad
64 Koruman : Any tourist spending a few days in the South island would doubtless prefer: 1) Queenstown 2) Christchurch 3) Milford Sound / Te Anau 4) Lake Tekapo /
65 TN757Flyer : Ok, as I posted just above you, I've visited most of the destinations (all you listed I do believe). Sort of like my hometown (not where I live now).
66 DavidByrne : Actually, I doubt that a single midday DJ flight CHC-DUD-CHC is going to hurt NZ that much at all. It won't attract business customers because of its
67 777ER : As showen by their always dropping population. Anyone willing to start taking bets as to how much IVCs population will drop at the next census? Well
68 Alangirvan : As you say "was". It was sold up, and the contents will be on display at the Christchurch Gallery. If you like Oysters and you arrive in the right se
69 DavidByrne : NZ have already said that they plan to add 733 capacity to DUD, if I remember correctly. I'm thinking along the lines of what that could be - and an
70 NZ107 : Don't forget the out-of-town Scarfies!
71 Rwy21 : or just bite the bullet and overnight it, flights are rarely delayed outbound by the occasional fog reckon there will be a slight drop but not much,
72 Flyjetstar : I'm not sure if you guys know what you're talking about re Southland/IVC 90,873 people usually live in Southland Region. This is a decrease of 129 peo
73 REALDEAL : IVC is still the best entry point for Australians going to Queenstown ... much closer than DUD. Many Australians get conned into driving express from
74 777ER : If that was the case, then wouldn't IVC already have Intl services?
75 CupraIbiza : I thought Australians will be eating rice and beans when the guaranteed upcoming recession arrives. How will they afford expensive skiing holidays???
76 Post contains links and images Pilotdude09 : Wellingtons not that bad, just windy! Invercargill is a shithole, if it was nice why are people leaving the town and the region? and why arent there
77 Flyjetstar : I wasn't saying that IVC should be an international airport. I was saying that if you are going to debate a point at least have some facts in your arg
78 DavidByrne : Yes, official stats say that the urban area population for Invercargill was 47,500 in 2001, 47,900 in 2006, and 48,000 in 2007 (all figures as at 30
79 Alangirvan : Like I said, with a bit of promotion by Borat, Invercargill could become a hit. What is wrong with a tin shed for an airport? That was OK for Brisbane
80 NZ107 : It sure looks like Hamilton airport... Before I went to HLZ for the one way flight back to AKL, I thought that the AKL domestic terminal was bad..
81 REALDEAL : that's why the ones who realise it won't be flying into expensive ZQN. During winter months IVC could easily support a minimum of 1 rotation from BNE
82 DavidByrne : I really think this is flogging a dead horse. I think that there are two big flaws in your assumptions: (a) Most of the people you assume will use th
83 Pilotdude09 : Hamilton wasnt too bad but its under going a renovation too because they want services to Asia and the US! (as if thats ever going to happen) They do
84 Alangirvan : Price is not everything, because if you are going for a skiing holiday $309 will buy you a trip in the wrong direction, unless KL has an indoor ski sl
85 REALDEAL : it's just got to me marketed as the 24 hour gateway for Queenstown & in non winter months, the closest int airport to Milford Sound (by road that is)
86 Pilotdude09 : Alot of people who go to Queenstown are from Asia as well who fly via Australia. If you go on the streets and ask people if they know where Invercarg
87 777ER : It would need to a be a very expensive advertising campaign, which someone needs to pay for, and would be passed on to others. Petrol in ZQN needs to
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