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Silverstein To Sue AA, CO, UA  
User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

According to a newspaper article Silverstein will sue AA, CO, and UA for over 12 billion dollars in compensation for the 9/11 attacks on the WTC. The article also states that Silverstein has sued every firm that was in anyway involved in the attacks.

I think it's simply crazy taking in to account that he has already received billions of dollars from insurance companies.
This is as if a victim of a car accident would sue e.g. BMW because the person responsible for the accident drove a BMW

Does anybody know how CO was involved and how his chances of being successful in this lawsuit are?

Sorry source is in German:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,543879,00.html


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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

My first question: What did CO have to do with it? The only 2 carriers to lose planes were AA and UA.

My second question, and please excuse my ignorance: Who is Silverstein?

My third question: Where is the suit being filed?



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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Well then perhaps he should also sue the NSA and CIA and FBI and all the other federal agencies who allowed the terroists to enter and remain here untracked although they knew about them.

He should also sue DMW whose workers illegally provided some of the terrorists with driving licences


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11689 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

Disgusting.

I suspect this will go nowhere, thankfully.


User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9172 times:

I suspect Larry Silverstein is having a moment. The man is a nut job, I used to work for his firm. He will be dead before he gets money out of the airlines. This is absoluet disgust.

User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3141 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9121 times:



Quoting Contrails (Reply 1):
My second question, and please excuse my ignorance: Who is Silverstein?

I believe he is the developer who took over the lease for the World Trade Center real estate not long before the disaster. He also has a significant say in the current redevelopment.

He was in an earlier court battle to declare the 9/11 disaster as "2 events" (WTC 1 and WTC 2) to collect insurance on both separately, thus double the payback. All business, you know.

-Rampart


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6448 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9066 times:

Didn't the US congress pass a law that would protect the airlines from lawsuits over 9/11?


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8970 times:
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Quoting Rampart (Reply 5):
He was in an earlier court battle to declare the 9/11 disaster as "2 events" (WTC 1 and WTC 2) to collect insurance on both separately, thus double the payback. All business, you know.

Like most insurance policies, his had a limit per occurrence. If the two collapses were to be seen as a single event, his policy would have hit the limit well before he'd be reimbursed for his loss. Make it two events, two separate occurrences, and he had enough coverage to be reimbursed.

Whether or not that's appropriate is a matter for the courts, but I wouldn't call it a payback. Insurance companies don't just hand you over a check and tell you to go spend it. They reimburse you for whatever actual covered loss you can prove up to the policy limit. If the proven loss is less than the policy limit, the insurance company keeps the difference.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Didn't the US congress pass a law that would protect the airlines from lawsuits over 9/11?

Yes, but that doesn't prevent anyone from suing them. It just makes it pointless because the airlines' lawyers will quote that law in court and have the case dismissed, that is unless Silverstein's lawyers think there is a loophole and manage to convince the judge. Or they may want to show that the law protecting the airlines is illegal. In order to do so, you have to have a stake in it, and having a lawsuit dismissed definitively gives you a stake in contending that a law is illegal.

[Edited 2008-03-28 06:57:22]


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User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8805 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 7):

That was very interesting reading, sometimes you do learn something new at a.net.  Smile
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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

He was handed over the lease for the World Trade Center just before 9/11, and also was owner for Building 7 that fell later that night. He rebuilt building 7, and currently occupies it for his offices. He is a fiesty individual, but well up in his years...

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8736 times:



Quoting Aerofan (Reply 2):
Well then perhaps he should also sue the NSA and CIA and FBI and all the other federal agencies who allowed the terroists to enter and remain here untracked although they knew about them.

The federal government agencies has immunity for lawsuits over the official performance of their duties. Congress can authorize a suit if they feel the agency was out of line by passing a law to waive that immunity in a specific case.

I think the President can also waive immunity in some cases.

But the bottom line, you cannot sue the federal government without its permission.


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8626 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Disgusting.

I think that sums it up for me.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 5):
I believe he is the developer who took over the lease for the World Trade Center real estate not long before the disaster. He also has a significant say in the current re-developmen

Thanks, Rampart. I guess I'm out of touch on this issue.



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User currently offlineSurfrider1978 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8604 times:



Quoting UA933 (Thread starter):
Silverstein has sued every firm that was in anyway involved in the attacks.

Way to go!!! Destroy an ailing economy even more.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 5):
He was in an earlier court battle to declare the 9/11 disaster as "2 events" (WTC 1 and WTC 2) to collect insurance on both separately, thus double the payback. All business, you know.

Oh.. The greed....It's killing me.

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 4):
I suspect Larry Silverstein is having a moment. The man is a nut job, I used to work for his firm. He will be dead before he gets money out of the airlines

If i were president of this country i would send this jerk to a siberian coal mine


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Is this story real? I can't find anything on CNN.com, MSNBC.com, BBC News or any other website apart from the one in German on the OP. .

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8494 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 13):
Is this story real? I can't find anything on CNN.com, MSNBC.com, BBC News or any other website apart from the one in German on the OP. .

Unfortanetly it is true.

< http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/27/wtc.suit/index.html >


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8443 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 14):
Unfortanetly it is true.

< http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/27/wtc.suit/index.html >

Thanks, I couldn't find the link when I looked.

As I understand it, NY State Law allows someone to sue just about anyone remotely involved in the events of a case, no matter how tenuous that may appear. Maybe that is why Boeing are listed? I still can't figure out why Continental are being sued though.


User currently offlineAeroMojo From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8409 times:

Thanks for all the articles! I agree w/ AAJFKSJUBKLYN and comavia,
This whole business is about 10 lbs. of manure in a 8 lbs bag!! LOL



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

He's even named Boeing as a defendant.


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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Maybe AA and UAL should sue him for not making sure his buildings were better protected against potential attacks. His building had been a target in the past after all. He should have had armed sentries on the rooftops scanning for potential threats. How negligent of him. (this is sarcasm before anyone starts attacking the obvious illogic). I want to know how AA and UAL are liable. They are liable because they allowed passengers on their flights with LEGAL items which they then used as weapons? That makes no sense.

User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

The man has an ego the size of the World Trade Center. His dream was to run and operate those towers, he did realize his dream for about a month until they were taken down tragically. He has been seen screaming during meetings. He is man that is intolerable, and has HUGE turnover rate with his employees. He is basically a stubborn (fill in the blank), and this lawsuit does not suprise me the least!

User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

I think that AA and UA should sue him for having the towers there in the first place! The reason why the hijackers did what they did was because of those tempting towers that enticed them and called on them to fly straight into these towers. If the towers had not existed, the hijackings would not have happened either.

 Yeah sure

Well, if he can sue AA and UA and lots of others, then why not the other way also?



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User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

Info about the man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

Nobody has an idea about CO's involvement in this? I don't think there is a case against CO at all.

My only idea is this: CO was somehow involved in the security arrangements at BOS. Purely a guess.

Larry Silverstein sounds like an incredibly vengeful individual. Maybe he should take his anger out on Osama...


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3141 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

I think people should be able to go to court to retrieve money that has been wrongfully denied them. This isn't one of those cases. If anyone deserves money first, it's the victims' families, but I don't think the airlines are responsible for that, either.

I don't know about UA and AA countersuing, but I'd sure find it amusing if they, with CO, put him on a "don't fly" list. Be nice if the other airlines did the same in solidarity.

-Rampart


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8159 times:
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Quoting Rampart (Reply 22):
I don't know about UA and AA countersuing, but I'd sure find it amusing if they, with CO, put him on a "don't fly" list. Be nice if the other airlines did the same in solidarity.

Somehow I get the feeling that Silverstein isn't a man who flies many commercial seats. He PROBABLY is more likely to catch a flight in TEB...



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User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8140 times:



Quoting PROSA (Reply 17):
He's even named Boeing as a defendant.

Why not add Coca Cola since they had drinks on board the airplane?

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 23):
Somehow I get the feeling that Silverstein isn't a man who flies many commercial seats. He PROBABLY is more likely to catch a flight in TEB...

Hopefully he uses Roberto Clemente’s Pilot.


25 Rampart : lol! I know. But they ought to anyway for the symbolism. -Rampart
26 Jbernie : Ok so not the legal expert here, but would the airlines be able to claim some indemnity or limited liability (like zero) over the disaster as the pilo
27 N1120A : That was actually a good argument he made, because they were indeed separate events for the subject matter at hand. Most of the rest of what he has d
28 Continental180 : What?! You got to be kidding me, Continental and Boeing had nothing to do with it! Im upset.......
29 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : He does have his own plane. It is in White Plains though.
30 Post contains images RoyalAirMaroc : Well since he is going As far as suing the airlines.... maybe he should sue boeing ... why did they make their airplane so "explodable" on impact? lol
31 Post contains images Curticool : The worst part is he might win! That's the American legal system for you -Curticool
32 Pope : No. It's like the victim of the car accident sues the entity that owned and operated the car. Furthermore, if his claim alleges that Boeing didn't pr
33 PanAm747 : In the U.S., the court system is similar to the Marines saying in times of war: "Kill (Sue) them all, and let God (the courts) sort 'em out!!". You na
34 Aloha73G : According to my boss at the insurance agency I work at the policy hadn't been officially issued at the time of the attcks since he had just bought the
35 BlueFlyer : That also keeps a defendant from trying to shift the blame to a third party that hasn't been sued and therefore cannot defend itself. I still don't u
36 WA707atMSP : If Larry Silverstein devoted the same level of energy to working with New York City's school system to make its students better educated, or renewing
37 A380US : Hope your right well then we should sue him
38 SuseJ772 : I would think it has to do with security at EWR, not BOS CO because of security at EWR. Boeing because they are in fact the producers of the weapons
39 FlyingCrown : Pan Am747 is right about common sense not being allowed in the courtroom. This is why the US needs to adopt the English tort system, where the plainti
40 Gearup : It's like a scatter gun approach, blast everything and maybe you will hit something! To me it is absurd in the extreme to try and hold Boeing respons
41 Xtoler : Where 9/11 is involved, there always has something to be mentioned about a conspiracy. I never thought of that angle. I'm thinking if I could put ano
42 AeroMojo : Yeah this guy is totally digging. It's amazing what greed will do to someone! I think he's trying to regain some losses because the attacks cost him t
43 FlyHoss : IIRC, the WTC towers were designed to withstand the impact force of the 707, but not the fire that resulted from the fuel onboard the aircraft on 9/1
44 Pope : That's a very double edged swords. Many very valid tort cases (i.e. much of the Ford Pinto litigation for example) resulted in the plaintiffs losing
45 Luv2cattlecall : Genuine question: what would be the applicable system? GPWS? TWAS?
46 L-188 : Flyhoss is correct-B25.
47 Ready5bird : Much like when the lawsuits come down from a slip fall in a shopping center...Lawyers will sue building owners, all the tenants, contractors affiliat
48 102IAHexpress : You’re mostly wrong. Under the “bailout” legislation, the families of those killed at the WTC, Pentagon and Pennsylvania sites, with those who
49 Steeler83 : If I were President, the Twin Towers would have been rebuilt for about 4 years now, and dubbed as "F-U Bin Laden Financial Complex." I also would hav
50 Commavia : That sounds like a nice plan, except it seems a bit too liberal and generous and humanitarian for my tastes, personally.
51 ThreeIfByAir : But the EWR flight involved in 9/11 was United 93. As we all know, it was not involved in the WTC collapse. I'm still unsure how CO could be liable h
52 Post contains images Steeler83 : Heck, we are entitled to our opinions. I have thought of going right with the death penalty for this... thing... but he's a guy who is so evil he des
53 Commavia : Oh no no, please don't misunderstand me. I'm all for all the torture and suffering that the bitchiest, most pissed off, bitter New York can possibly
54 Post contains images United1 : I like you..... welcome to my RU list The CO connection makes no since to me either, the only thing that I can think of is didn't CO and UA both shar
55 RJdxer : I believe he is suing CO because United flies out of terminal A at EWR. So does CO and at the time I would be willing to bet CO was paying for the se
56 Thunder9 : Yessir, it was very foggy that day; July 28, 1945, but it was a twin-engined B-25 Mitchell that hit the Empire State Building.
57 Plunaaircanada : And why would they do that? We all now they weren't involved in anything, theres no need to have this law.
58 SkyguyB727 : Continental flies to EWR. UA93 originated at EWR. Apparently that's enough of a connection. If the lawsuit is true, it's completely ridiculous. Why d
59 SkyguyB727 : Yes, I know that UA93 did not crash in NYC. However, it was hijacked on 9/11. Using the "logic" of the lawsuit, that's enough of a connection.
60 Dallasnewark : The law can't be applied retroactively in this regard
61 SuseJ772 : I know. I don't know why we haven't rebuilt that quicker. That would be a better sign of our strength than anything else.
62 EMB170 : Can't be. Remember the UA flight that left EWR never hit the towers...the ones that did both left from BOS. Was CO responsible for security at BOS at
63 Burnsie28 : I can't believe he is including massport because thats where the planes took off from. Better sue Michelin for the tires, GE for the engines etc. I ho
64 Nkops : You got my vote!!!! Why not sue the oil company that supplied the fuel, after all, it was the ensuing fire that brought down the towers, not the impa
65 Post contains images Steeler83 : Gocha! Thanks 1,000,000 That's right, the towers stood for another hour or so before the pancake effect took place. Ok, I'll start with Exxon! How ab
66 A380US : absolutley How abou the taxi or bus driver who drove the terrorists to the airport
67 ThreeIfByAir : So after 66 replies, nobody has definitive info on why CO is on the hook? EMB170 - your theory seems to make the most sense given the information we
68 HZ747300 : Unfortunately no, the president can only pardon someone from criminal prosecution. Congress can pass laws granting immunity, and does do so. The chal
69 Nkops : Wait... don't we also have to sue security at PWM... didn't thel let them (or at least 1) thru the day before to fly to BOS??
70 Steeler83 : Heck, in that regard, why not sue every party responsible for allowing at least one possible would-be terrorist aboard a plane at some airport in the
71 Bok269 : Any idea on the reg or the FBO he uses? I'll be sure to look out for it... As my dad's old business profressor said, anyone can sue. Doesn't mean the
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