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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10645 times:
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Welcome to New Zealand Aviation Thread #28, in Thread #27 which took a RECORD 7 days to reach 210 posts! New Zealand Aviation Thread #27 (by 777ER Mar 21 2008 in Civil Aviation), we learnt, discussed, suffered and endured:

- Discussed AKLs new proposed runway
- NZ Intl OTP was down to just over 20% with 3 744s a 763 and a 733 in MX at the same time
- CHCs 2 runways
- Same old PVG arguments as Thread #26
- Air Nelsons Pilots strike
- NZ increases AKL -MEL/SYD using A320s and B763s
- NZ Customs introducing self-check machines for pax passing though Customs
- Ozjet cancels PMR before it even starts due to a new owner
- Transit pax now require a visa
- Kiwijet
- NZ launches environmental programmes
- Is DJ announcing DUD and IVC services in the next two days? Isn't ZQN important to them?

The PVG crew base discussion can be found here Air NZ Using PVG Crews On Chinese Rates (by 777ER Mar 26 2008 in Civil Aviation)

Let thread #28 begin!

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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10606 times:

A link for DJ to IVC and DUD
http://www.etravelblackboard.co.nz/article.asp?nav=117&id=56434



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10600 times:
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Quoting Nzrich (Reply 1):

Thanks for the link. Looks like its official. Still surprised DJ isn't interested in ZQN, as a ZQN service would get more then both DUD and IVC


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3231 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10572 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 212):

If all the flights are operated by Star carriers all the way then yes the bags can be tagged all the way

Thanks for your response - so given it's NZ and then SQ - I guess my bags will be taken care of. That's a relief.



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4983 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10557 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 202):
Domestic could see Ejets launching ZQN-ROT. WLG-ZQN could change from ATR to Ejet,

and be used for off-peak CHC-WLG-AKL and vice versa. Ideal for many weekend flights.

Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 203):
DJ has aircraft now.

but only in sufficient quantities for present domestic routes.


User currently offlineBlackLabel From New Zealand, joined Jan 2008, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10549 times:



Quoting Nimish (Reply 3):

Quoting 777ER (Reply 212):

If all the flights are operated by Star carriers all the way then yes the bags can be tagged all the way

Thanks for your response - so given it's NZ and then SQ - I guess my bags will be taken care of. That's a relief.

NZ sometimes won't check-in bags across multiple tickets like that. If it was connecting to an NZ flight, yes you'd pretty much be 100% OK - but to SQ you may have issues. I wouldn't guarantee it working, but it's about 90% likely to do so.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3231 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10541 times:



Quoting BlackLabel (Reply 5):
NZ sometimes won't check-in bags across multiple tickets like that. If it was connecting to an NZ flight, yes you'd pretty much be 100% OK - but to SQ you may have issues. I wouldn't guarantee it working, but it's about 90% likely to do so.

Will the fact that it's the same Amadeus PNR/Itinerary help at all?



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10540 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Still surprised DJ isn't interested in ZQN, as a ZQN service would get more then both DUD and IVC

Yes but they only have NZ where as they also have QF to contend with into Queenstown, so that could be making a difference to their decision as well.

Hopefully DJ do well out of DUD, dont think they will last out of IVC but we will see!



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User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10519 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 7):

Hopefully DJ do well out of DUD, dont think they will last out of IVC but we will see!

It'll certainly be interesting to see. The people of IVC strike me as in interesting bunch, in that I don't think they are predictable - they might go all out and support DJ because they are doing something NZ hasn't done for them - jet services and maybe in the future international services either direct or via another city.

We are all assuming a 738 but is it possible an e-jet might be used?


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10486 times:



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 8):
It'll certainly be interesting to see. The people of IVC strike me as in interesting bunch, in that I don't think they are predictable - they might go all out and support DJ because they are doing something NZ hasn't done for them - jet services and maybe in the future international services either direct or via another city.

We are all assuming a 738 but is it possible an e-jet might be used?

Somehow i bet we will see a NZ jet going into IVC as well now ..



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10474 times:



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 9):
Somehow i bet we will see a NZ jet going into IVC as well now ..

Yes, it's been clear all along that NZ, in announcing that it would offer jet service to the provinces, but without specifying precisely which ports, was trying to pre-empt DJ, but without giving away what their real plans were so that they could adjust them to take on DJ head-to-head. I do wonder about the realistic chances of making money out of a 180-seater out of IVC - I have enough doubts about a 136-seater.

But media reports say PacBlue is making a smaller loss than anticipated, and they're very comfortable with how things are going. This also reinforces my belief that PacBlue are the real competitors to NZ domestically, and that QF will in time become just a bit player, if it isn't already.

And I find it very hard to believe that DJ will not bring the E-Jet to NZ in the not-too-far-distant future, and that this may yet tip NZ's hand in the same direction. And the E-Jet may well be able to make money where a 180-seater might struggle.



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User currently offlineJamie86 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Hi NZ1, i mentioned air nz to afghanistan because i am aware that our troops are swapping over tour of duties in 2 weeks and as the RNZAF 757 are still out of service, they need some sort of metal to get them there. i beilive the troops are going to Dubai first, so maaybe they just getting a ride that far.

They leaving Ohakea on the 9th i think.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10422 times:
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 4):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 202):
Domestic could see Ejets launching ZQN-ROT. WLG-ZQN could change from ATR to Ejet,

and be used for off-peak CHC-WLG-AKL and vice versa. Ideal for many weekend flights.

Especially the sunday services, which could also be used to boast services.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):
Quoting BlackLabel (Reply 5):
NZ sometimes won't check-in bags across multiple tickets like that. If it was connecting to an NZ flight, yes you'd pretty much be 100% OK - but to SQ you may have issues. I wouldn't guarantee it working, but it's about 90% likely to do so.

Will the fact that it's the same Amadeus PNR/Itinerary help at all?

If its the same itinerary then your covered, but if there were two different booking itinerarys (like your first booking itinerary number was FGJ897, and your second was FGI911), then you will need to re-check your bags in at the airport where the second itinerary starts

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 7):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Still surprised DJ isn't interested in ZQN, as a ZQN service would get more then both DUD and IVC

Yes but they only have NZ where as they also have QF to contend with into Queenstown, so that could be making a difference to their decision as well.

QF are only to CHC and AKL. WLG only has ATRs. It was said that if DJ did start ZQN, then WLG would get it

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 9):
Somehow i bet we will see a NZ jet going into IVC as well now ..

IVC-AKL

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 8):
We are all assuming a 738 but is it possible an e-jet might be used?

Ejets (especially the E170) is better for IVC. DJ doesn't have enough Ejets ATM, and I believe from memory, Godfrey has said that all the next arriving ones have been assigned routes in oz already


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10399 times:
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Airport planning to spread its wings


Hamilton International Airport wants to add Asian and possibly American destinations to its schedule as part of an ambitious long-term goal to become the North Island's second-biggest airport.


Chief executive Chris Doak revealed the vision to Hamilton City Council's finance and audit committee yesterday as part of a briefing on the company's performance and plans for the future. The council is the majority shareholder of the company, Waikato Regional Airport Ltd.

With the airport's $15 million terminal upgrade completed, it was now time to look at growing the business, Mr Doak said. Key to that was making a strong case to extend the runway from 2200m to close to 2700m, which would allow larger wide-body jets such as 767s and 777s to use Hamilton.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4455373a11.html

I can see HLZ being used as a diversion airport, but not as a second gateway or LCC International Airport. The Waikato wouldn't be a wise location to start or end a holiday. HLZ is around 1 hours drive from AKL.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10381 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
With the airport's $15 million terminal upgrade completed, it was now time to look at growing the business, Mr Doak said. Key to that was making a strong case to extend the runway from 2200m to close to 2700m, which would allow larger wide-body jets such as 767s and 777s to use Hamilton.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4455373a11.html

I can see HLZ being used as a diversion airport, but not as a second gateway or LCC International Airport. The Waikato wouldn't be a wise location to start or end a holiday. HLZ is around 1 hours drive from AKL.

Air Asia X is allowed to fly to overseas ports not served by Malaysia. So if Malaysia Government is strict about that policy, then AAX would not serve AKL.

AAX is interested in NZ - CHC Airport has sent them briefing material. NZ ports could be one stop from KUL via an Australian East Coast Port. Or if AAX gets A350s, which are only a few years away, HLZ to KUL and CHC to KUL could be possibilities. Yes, AKL is the main gateway, but at least HLZ is closer to Auckland and surrounding areas than some other airports. Freedom used to attract some people from Auckland on to its HLZ services, and if AAX are a lot cheaper than flights from AKL, it will be worth the bus down to HLZ>


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4983 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10374 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
I can see HLZ being used as a diversion airport,

Now that AKL has CAT iii B installed this seems a very unlikely possibility, in my view at least for incoming international flights.


User currently offlineKnid From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10366 times:

In a few hundred years when AKL, and HLZ are linked it can be the mega-city's 2nd airport, that is if there is still air travel at that time. So really they are just planning for the future.

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

Saturday ODT has ex Queenstown specials available short time only on QF NZ domestic services. $59 from ZQN to CHC, $99 Queenstown to Rotorua and $99 ZQN to AKL. All fares are one way on the Qantas site. So, Qantas is there to do some specials on NZ domestic services. Even if Pacific Blue starts DUD service, a Qantas service out of DUD would still be good. Even just a Dash 8 to CHC at least would link us to the QF network.


Also, a letter to the Editor in Saturday ODT (29/3/08) asks why is that for travel to SYD in August the AirNZ website quoted $702 for DUDSYD return, compared with $552 for CHCSYD return on the same day.

AirNZ reply from Tracey Palmer "...pricing from different ports is based on a number of factors including demand, capacity and the market environment (including external factors such as fuel.) Fare availability changes daily and we recommend booking early to secure the lowest possible fares from your market."

Not sure why fuel would be one of the reasons. Market environment include the fact that AirNZ competes against QF, JQ, EK and DJ out of CHC


The difference when an airline has a city all to itself. How much longer?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10300 times:
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 17):
Also, a letter to the Editor in Saturday ODT (29/3/08) asks why is that for travel to SYD in August the AirNZ website quoted $702 for DUDSYD return, compared with $552 for CHCSYD return on the same day.

AirNZ reply from Tracey Palmer "...pricing from different ports is based on a number of factors including demand, capacity and the market environment (including external factors such as fuel.) Fare availability changes daily and we recommend booking early to secure the lowest possible fares from your market."

The fact is, that you need to catch an extra flight from CHC to get back to DUD. NZ charges around $100 to get to/from WLG and AKL for an Intl out of AKL (unless its to oz)


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10300 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 17):

Also, a letter to the Editor in Saturday ODT (29/3/08) asks why is that for travel to SYD in August the AirNZ website quoted $702 for DUDSYD return, compared with $552 for CHCSYD return on the same day.

AirNZ reply from Tracey Palmer "...pricing from different ports is based on a number of factors including demand, capacity and the market environment (including external factors such as fuel.) Fare availability changes daily and we recommend booking early to secure the lowest possible fares from your market."

Not sure why fuel would be one of the reasons. Market environment include the fact that AirNZ competes against QF, JQ, EK and DJ out of CHC


The difference when an airline has a city all to itself. How much longer?

Mind you remember as the DUD services will not be having any freight on board .. Then that will be less income for NZ to make the service viable the fares may have to compensate for this .. Also for a catering issue i think you will find this will be more expensive ex DUD due to no other airlines operating out of DUD and also no crew bases ex DUD so all additional cost that CHC does not have ..



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10263 times:



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 19):
Also for a catering issue i think you will find this will be more expensive ex DUD due to no other airlines operating out of DUD and also no crew bases ex DUD so all additional cost that CHC does not have ..

Since the schedules are very simple, HLZ-SYD/BNE-DUD-SYD/BNE-HLZ daily, presumably they can take on catering in SYD/BNE for the return trip SYD/BNE-DUD-SYD/BNE. I'd be interested in where the catering for the flights to and from HLZ comes from. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how the catering is to be organised?



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10257 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
The fact is, that you need to catch an extra flight from CHC to get back to DUD. NZ charges around $100 to get to/from WLG and AKL for an Intl out of AKL (unless its to oz)

You would not fly CHC-DUD unless your boss was paying for the trip. People drive five hours to CHC Airport to save money. If we catch the afternoon flights to Australia there is lots of time to drive up the same day, and if we return on the flights that arrive mid afternoon into CHC, five hours to Dunedin is OK. though we might choose to overnight with friends. Some bus lines will take us straight from Dunedin city to CHC Airport or arrange shuttles to meet our bus.

Last year when we had a group of about 15 people going from DUD to SYD, some of the group took Freedom, because they had a limited amount of time. The cheapest option was to go to CHC and use EK in one direction and DJ for the return.. The DJ flight arrived at midnight, so accommodation was needed but it still worked out as a better price than flying ex DUD.

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 19):
Mind you remember as the DUD services will not be having any freight on board .. Then that will be less income for NZ to make the service viable the fares may have to compensate for this .. Also for a catering issue i think you will find this will be more expensive ex DUD due to no other airlines operating out of DUD and also no crew bases ex DUD so all additional cost that CHC does not have ..

It is AirNZ's decision not to carry freight - whether this is because the freight is not the sort of stuff that AirNZ really wants to carry. AirNZ does not give the South Island any widebody flights to Australia. Qantas still operates a 767 SYD CHC, even against its own Jetstar operation, and I suppose that must be partly to carry freight. If Qantas came to DUD, I think Qantas would look for freight to carry.

I agree that Catering is a good reason for the lead in fare being $30 more than for a Freedom fare. But $75 more each way compared with ex CHC? And for the SYDDUD leg, catering will be normal ex SYD arrangements. The last AirNZ flight I had over the Tasman had a warm sandwich and a chocolate slice, plus hot and cold drinks. There are plenty of catering organisations in Dunedin who could produce food to AirNZ requirements.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10250 times:
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 21):
It is AirNZ's decision not to carry freight

The ATRs on the route arn't the best for Freight. Basically no belly freight options, with luggage taking up around 70-80% of the space between the cabin and the flight deck

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 21):
There are plenty of catering organisations in Dunedin who could produce food to AirNZ requirements.

Maybe Cadbury could provide some treats


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10236 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 21):
It is AirNZ's decision not to carry freight

The ATRs on the route arn't the best for Freight. Basically no belly freight options, with luggage taking up around 70-80% of the space between the cabin and the flight deck

No, we are not talking about the ATRs - AirNZ have said they will not carry airfreight on the A320s on Tasman flights out of Dunedin. I guess this is true for Hamilton as well. Perhaps one of those AN-12s based in BNE could be used to fly freight out of DUD. You would have to get rid of the smell of tuna from the ANs.


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Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10206 times:
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 23):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 21):
It is AirNZ's decision not to carry freight

The ATRs on the route arn't the best for Freight. Basically no belly freight options, with luggage taking up around 70-80% of the space between the cabin and the flight deck

No, we are not talking about the ATRs - AirNZ have said they will not carry airfreight on the A320s on Tasman flights out of Dunedin. I guess this is true for Hamilton as well.

Oh, now it makes sense.


25 Rwy21 : maybe it was to save turn around time but wouldnt really make a huge amount of difference, seems there was demand for it so maybe they will revisit t
26 Flyjetstar : Did anyone else get the email from Rob about grab-a-seat deals in the first week of April for China?
27 TG992 : Yes - interesting he felt he needed to spend the majority of the email trying to justify the PVG base!
28 Flyjetstar : Yes that was odd. Here it is for those who didn't get it. China is now New Zealand's fourth largest source of inbound tourism - behind Australia, Eng
29 MotorHussy : Here's the transcript for those that are interested and didn't receive it: Dear Mr XXX, China is now New Zealand's fourth largest source of inbound t
30 Zkpilot : NZ adopted a policy about 3 years ago of not interlining bags on different itineraries unless it was NZ-NZ. Their reason was that as per IATA ticket
31 Nzrich : Catering can not be done from just any caterer .. Not many have the trucks for a start that can service a aircraft 2/3 meters in the air .. There are
32 PA515 : The NZ Timetable effective 19 May 08 has 21 Q300's in operation with the 21st being 0650 TRG-AKL-BHE-AKL etc. The 21st Q300 was due for delivery in Se
33 Airnewzealand : Youare correct Alangirvan, Qantas still operate its own metal to CHC due to freight agreements...thus the reason an empty 767 operates FULL with frei
34 Koruman : I certainly am. He is trying so hard, yet digging the hole deeper and deeper. ....which is a pretty damning indictment on the Tokyo and Osaka service
35 Nimish : Thanks for the inputs. It is one 1A itinerary - but 2 eTickets - one on SQ stock and the other on NZ stock. Both have the same 1A PNR, but each one h
36 Mariner : Interesting thought, Koruman. Is it one of the genuine problems of the"'small population"? I don't usually buy that as an excuse - no one has ever su
37 SunriseValley : Ostensibly he was appointed after a world-wide search. Hypothetically, you can do a world wide search, identify high quality candidates but if they c
38 Mariner : That's true. And thanks for the - thoughtful - reply. It raises some interesting questions for me. Do you know if it was just a search, in the sense
39 MotorHussy : Airliners.net just let me know it's my 8th birthday today on this site, weird. Happy birthday to me. China services presumably targeted with the 787 i
40 Jamie86 : Does anyone know whether it will be a 777, 747 or 767 that takes the troops to dubai?
41 SunriseValley : 14 days of Olympics a year does not make !
42 MotorHussy : Agreed entirely, but it's a good vehicle to help with sales and marketing.
43 NZ1 : I haven't seen any schedule updates to reflect this, but I can check again tomorrow and find out for you. QF also run a 763 freighter overnight sever
44 SunriseValley : I should have qualified my statement with something like " my opinion is". I think it is a reasonable assumption because Ms. Clark appeared to be ver
45 Alangirvan : just a thought about this one.... I think when Australian Airlines were operating 767s, they carried their passengers as Australian Airlines, but the
46 Knid : Maybe not, you would have to sit across from his lawyers, and I believe he would have some quite formidable one's present. It's not like on TV... Doe
47 Alangirvan : The CEO of NZ Telecom is from Scotland, and several CEOs of Telstra have been Americans. The NSW Police Commissioner was from Derbyshire, and Rod Edd
48 Mariner : I guess I had assumed that, but it is always interesting to me to meet provocative opinions - which this is. I take very little at face value and I e
49 Airnewzealand : Koruman, Passengers are not the only thing that can make $$. While i agree with you regarding the non-chinese passengers loads, QF regularly found thi
50 Mariner : Sorry, bit confused. I thought Mr. Eddington is Australian? mariner
51 777ER : Yes they do. SYD, MEL, BNE have be sold for $90 before. LAX has been $499 return several times
52 Alangirvan : Yes, BA chose someone who was not a UK National, so the International airline industry does choose CEOs from all over the world. Though, choosing a n
53 Koruman : Not at all. As I wrote when Shanghai services were slashed by 40%, Rob Fyfe announced then that 30% of passengers between PVG and AKL were from New Z
54 Mariner : Yes, I do know what happens overseas, but I was interested in New Zealand, and what happens here - conventions and traditions, preferences, etc. Mr.
55 Knid : Yes, but you base your argument on the figures given by Mr Fyfe at different times in press statements, which are often rounded for whole (reportable
56 DavidByrne : Yes, to be honest, K'man, the Fyfe-bashing and the on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on about NZ's China "debacle" is getting a little tedious . . . I don'
57 Post contains images Knid :
58 777ER : Does anyone know if V Australia's announcement tomorrow at 10am (Australian time, 1pm our time) will also be used to announce PacBlues next domestic/I
59 Post contains images HLZCPH : I don't know what you drive but it would be closer to a 2hr drive from HLZ to AKL for the rest of us! Remember the airport is to the south of H town.
60 Post contains images NZ107 : If CHC can't support flights to the US, would anything from HLZ work? Cos there's nothing to do in Hamilton itself
61 REALDEAL : think it might be 10am LAX time. Has QF, NZ or DJ come out with any great deals ex WLG for pax who were booked on Ozjet in & out of PMR ? Ozjet appar
62 Vfw614 : I have just navigated the AKL website for a considerable length of time to find out what international airlines are serving AKL at what frequency and
63 Post contains links Mariner : This brings back memories: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10501084 "Passengers on an Air New Zealand flight from Fiji f
64 777ER : I havn't found/seen/heard any deals for Ozjet pax. NZ is currently having a sale thou right now, but only to SYD Then that would be around 3am NZ tim
65 Post contains links 777ER : Here is the biggest news today, and the most important for NZ and regional operations: ATR awaits big Air NZ deal Regional aircraft maker ATR believes
66 Mariner : As I said, it brings back memories. Once, long ago, on a BOAC flight from London, we were sprayed in SYD and then again in AKL. Ir was somewhat confu
67 Post contains links Mariner : I asked a question about the effect of a further 787 delay in a previous thread, but didn't get any takers. Here's an update. There is a thread about
68 Post contains links Knid : You could take a look at wikipedia, which appears to be correct and up to date, and then look at the individual airlines websites to find your way ov
69 NZ107 : Make that 6am NZ time... But 4am in Australia still makes no sense.
70 DavidByrne : [Re AKL website] Umm, the live flight information is extremely useful if you're meeting a passenger flying in, or if you're departing from AKL yoursel
71 Vfw614 : Yes, but untit today my belief was that airport websites are mainly a marketing tool for informing prospective customers and would allow to find out
72 SunriseValley : In my view it is a big no-no for an aircraft manufacturer's representative to discuss with the press a matter such as this when a decision is so clos
73 DavidByrne : Yes, to me, the report was very much "spin", and I agree that claiming to be the front-runnner isn't necessarily a smart move. I find it interesting
74 DJ738 : All flights from BNE to NAN are still to this day required (by the Fijiian "government") to be manually sprayed at top of descent - in addition to an
75 Post contains links NZ747 : here's a useful site, http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~airdata/Auckland%20Airport.htm click on domestic or international. The makers of the site also use
76 NZ747 : I thought it stopped, as it wasn't done on my last flight from BNE to NAN to my pleasant surprise.
77 DJ738 : ...is still an ongoing required practice.
78 Alangirvan : Does anyone remember the old "hit em with the old P-Bow" ads on Australian TV. One plane arrived at SYD, and some passenger sang out - 'hit em with th
79 SunriseValley : NZ1 has maintained for some time in more than one posting that the A320 or derivatives thereof do not figure in future fleet plans. I agree that neve
80 DavidByrne : Yes, I don't know whether there's a serious prospect of the A320s being replaced by 73Gs or 738s in the short-medium term, or whether NZ will await t
81 NZ107 : Right now: AKL-SYD-BKK-DXB 77W AKL-MEL-DXB A345 AKL-BNE-SIN-DXB 773 Can't remember if/how the pricing differs. By 2009, there will be at least one A3
82 Koruman : I do actually give the airline credit for the successes it has. I constantly applaud the high quality product and service, and the value of the long-
83 ZKSUJ : As with regards to the ATR 72-600. It would be great to see it in the fleet. But hey, we'll have to wait for the announcement
84 777ER : I actually now agree with you on this China issue, ever since Fyfe announced it. Why the hell does NZ still operate the routes, if he knows and has a
85 REALDEAL : 0400 (4am ) BNE time. U need a new clock.
86 Knid : Is that the same freighter that's nearly always full? My understanding is the freight carried on the pax flight is the overflow. Times are changing,
87 Mariner : If what you say is true, I guess my puzzle is why they keep Shanghai, but dumped Singapore. Any Asia strategy - of virtually any company - that does
88 777ER : I couldn't remember how far behind LAX was, I guess I need to go back to LA before my trip in August! Yes thats the around the world freighter servic
89 Post contains images Knid : I meant it in a much more literal sense , goes with the changing times theme better... A back room deal with SIA?
90 DavidByrne : I guess I'm very conscious that however much information I have, it's a pale shadow of the information that the NZ strategists will have. I do know t
91 Alangirvan : Because none of the Asian cities works on Origin/Destination traffic. Not Singapore, not Bangkok, not KL. Taipei and Seoul were the same as Shanghai
92 Post contains images Mariner : That doesn't seem to hold out a great deal of hope for Shanghai? Okay. I'm all in favor of that. Given the present problems confronting airlines, wor
93 Alangirvan : Not many airlines fly through China, though Jet Airways is about to start BOM-PVG-SFO, and I think they intend to use PVG as a hub between India and
94 Mariner : Can they do that? If they can, I hope they go for it. What's your feeling about Beijing - same thing there? mariner
95 777ER : NZ already have permission to do it, but obviously aircraft is an issue
96 Mariner : Let's hope the 787 issues are soon resolved, then. Available alternatives will be scarce as hen's teeth if there is another delay. Would they have th
97 Koruman : You are assuming that it is a purely commercial or political decision to keep the failed Auckland-Shanghai passenger route in operation, and to use o
98 ANstar : I think it is inevitable that there will be another delay.... just waiting on the announcement
99 Mariner : It seems that way, doesn't it? I'd love to know what Air NZ's Plan B is. mariner
100 NZ107 : And I don't exactly want to see an A350 in NZ colours.
101 DavidByrne : If I recall correctly, NZ has the ability to fly onward only from PVG to one European port, on an up-to-daily basis. Not possible from PEK, as I unde
102 777ER : I read some where on here tonight that Boeing is offering NZ some T7s as temporary lift
103 DavidByrne : Getting delivery of an A350 could not happen for many years, so it seems inevitable that NZ will stick with the 787 and tough out any delay. What the
104 Koruman : Now why would that be? I'm the first to say that the 777-200ER, 300ER (and 200LR!) are a great fit for Air NZ. But I have major reservations about th
105 ZKSUJ : Looks like we may see the 744 in service for a couple years longer if the 787 delays get to out of hand... Just athought
106 Mariner : Waiting for the A350 wouldn't help, but gee, I think the A330 would look beautiful in the livery. But - there aren't many of those available in the n
107 777ER : Just read my Amail Airpoints E-mail from NZ, and they are still going on about how fantastic China is and why we should fly there. If you book a Chine
108 Mariner : All I've read is the suggestion made to me in another thread - which I quoted in the post about the 787 - that Boeing might, or could, offer some tem
109 DavidByrne : Of course they are! Why wouldn't they? If China is as dire as so many suggest, then it's obvious that's the route they'll push people to fly.
110 Kiwiandrew : I am certain that the A321 could not do PER ( US Airways struggle to get transcontinental range out of it in the US ) I am doubtful as to the ability
111 Mariner : Do you know if they have (local) traffic rights? Can they carry Shanghai pax to Europe and European pax to Shanghai, without an onward ticket to NZ?
112 DavidByrne : According to the material on A-net, the optional HGW version of the A319 has a range of 6,845 km, compared with a distance AKL-PER of 5,348 km great
113 Alangirvan : I was wondering about Pyongyang as a stopover point, but Vladivostock would be fine if you want to buy some duty free vodka. Any market between LHR a
114 Kiwiandrew : dont forget that max ranges are usually quoted for still air - something that definitely does not apply to AKL-PER - if you factor regular headwinds
115 Alangirvan : Europeans are getting used to flying the Atlantic in 757s, and AKL-PER is about the length of a transatlantic flight if any airline in this part of t
116 Post contains links SunriseValley : Like so many things in A.Net this piece of information is incorrect, I believe. The load range chart on P42 of Section 3: in the link below for the h
117 Mariner : Thanks. I am surprised they don't use them. mariner
118 DavidByrne : Oh well, there goes the possibility, for the moment at least, of getting good connections on NZ between PER and the USA. Thanks for the info.
119 NZ107 : Haha it's just my personal opinion, along with my views on QF's new livery which I especially don't think suits their A330s (and others). I'm sure NZ
120 ZKSUJ : I think our friend Alangirvan was being a tad scarcastic there....
121 Alangirvan : I was told one of the problems with S Korea is that they have not given NZ beyond rights. This is a shame because you could do one stop AKL to London
122 GarethW : Yes but you would have to take a packed lunch. Actually make that dinner and breakfast as well. Perhaps a geiger-counter?
123 777ER : One thing that stops them is lack of aircraft
124 Mariner : Yes, you've suggested that before, and I accept it, of course, but I still think it is a pity. Beyond rights can be precious things to airlines, and
125 Spinaltap : I heard on the radio this morning (but didn't get a chance to check myself) that Air NZ's Grabaseat website had special deal to a fake Pacific Island
126 777ER : I don't think LHR would be the best destination, maybe MAN, Gatwick, FRA?
127 777ER : Yes its true. Saw it on One News. Geneis energy also had another excellent prank in the papers, The Rock FM (I think it was) said that the Foofighter
128 Post contains links 777ER : Pilots dazzled by laser pointers Laser pointers should carry compulsory warnings and be restricted for sale to adults only, says an aviation security
129 Mariner : I think it would be good if Air NZ could find another European destination. I'm not sure where FRA stands in the history - did it do okay, or was it
130 Koruman : As I've mentioned before, Manchester's Chinese population is almost entirely from Hong Kong, speaks Cantonese, and hates "mainland" Chinese, and anyo
131 JoFMO : It is not about what market delivers how many O&D passengers, it is all about connectivity. And I am sure you are aware, that FRA also offers quite g
132 Koruman : I'm not comparing a Frankfurt hub with a Heathrow hub. Emirates fly into ....... 1) London Heathrow, 2) London Gatwick, 3) Birmingham, 4) Manchester,
133 JoFMO : NZ cannot compare itself to EK. Not even QF can do that. Both will never be able to offer daily flights to numerous UK destinations. And once daily w
134 DavidByrne : I agree with this, but NZ also needs to think beyond point-to-point services - there needs to be a hub somewhere for feeder services to as many point
135 Koruman : BTW JoFMO I'm sorry if I sounded rude before. Absolutely, yes, unquestionably. Commonwealth plus USA. That is where our links are, not just our past b
136 Koruman : Plus they won't interline your baggage unless its on the same ticket as your NZ flights, and if that is the case you earn less Airpoints for your NZ
137 BlackLabel : Wouldn't that be two (or three) stop services to NZ? They have to route through Dubai and Asia, as well as Australia. So yes I think people would con
138 BlackLabel : Forgot to address this one. Most of my friends, associates, and colleagues in AU or NZ have little interest in visiting South Africa, unless they are
139 Koruman : Having seen him snatch victory from the jaws of defeat against us at the Basin four years ago I wish I could say the same! Maybe it's to do with who
140 JoFMO : I think you should curb your enthusiasm with cricket. I would in fact bet that there are more tourists from tiny Switzerland (7 Mio) than from India (
141 BlackLabel : I grew up in West Auckland, which is heavily populated with (former) Yugoslavian immigrants. Many of my friends through high school were of Croatian
142 SunriseValley : This is not correct. The EDTO standard that Australia has adopted and which N.Z. is working on adopting does not differentiate between quads and twin
143 Post contains links Rwy21 : Pacific Blue makes their announcement that they will begin flying to Dunedin from July 1. The first initial services will be a around a midday service
144 David_itl : They might not be after MAN in their own colours but expect Jetstar to pick up some of the slack! A couple of years ago, the CAA touched upon MAN-Aus
145 Flyjetstar : From the ODT article: There were no plans to fly to either Invercargill or Queenstown at this stage, he said. Also: -Aspiring domestic airline Kiwijet
146 777ER : I'm interested in seeing your proof for this, especially the ten airport catchment areas with most Europe-New Zealand traffic
147 Post contains links 777ER : That link didn't seem to work, so here it is http://www.odt.co.nz/article.php?ref...7000cd318774b32bdd42d85f1a909b§=0
148 Mariner : You're not repeating yourself for new chums such as myself - interesting list. I'm assuming then that FRA really was a turkey? When I first arrived i
149 Post contains links NZ107 : That didn't work either.. However just go to www.odt.co.nz and it's the top article at the moment.
150 MotorHussy : Have to agree with you here. NZ should have made AKL the hub between Asia and South America as SIN (yes, and others) is between Australasia and Europ
151 MotorHussy : They lost that because of Tito and their inability to keep in contact with family and their mother country during the communist era. Yes, interesting
152 ANstar : Surely this would be less appealing if NZ introduce the transit visa?
153 Alangirvan : Yes, we are happy about the new Pacific Blue service to Dunedin. The start of a beautiful relationship. I hope 1 July is a good day to start to Dunedi
154 David_itl : And there's non-existent premium demand for YVR-MAN. If a MAN link is wanted, it's got to be via LAX, SFO or HKG (but given that O7 may be about to l
155 DavidByrne : Yes, it's easy to underestimate the number of people with Croatian heritage living in West Auckland (along with the Dutch as well). Given the cost of
156 Alangirvan : Demand between MAN and West Coast Canada is managed by airlines who may not be well known in the South Pacific. I think airlines like Zoom and Globes
157 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Air New Zealand is sitting on a billion dollar war chest and plans to keep hold of the money in case tougher times strike the aviation industry. The a
158 Koruman : You are missing the point. Between NZ/EK/SQ there are probably at least 20-50 passengers per day flying Business Class to New Zealand from Manchester
159 DavidByrne : I'd favour using the onward rights from YVR to eventually add a third LHR frequency, and to focus as many other "new" destinations on HKG for two rea
160 DavidByrne : Actually, I missed out the possible point-to-point combinations involving HKG - with six destinations in the South Pacific and four in Europe as abov
161 YULYMX : Anyone thinks that AKL will be serve by Air Canada from YVR with the B777 in the near futur... 2-3 years?
162 ANstar : Quite simply - No. I think they will stick to a code share with NZ
163 ZKSUJ : One would not think there would be room for 2 carriers in that market alone. However if there is a deal between AC and NZ i.e split flights then mayb
164 Post contains links NZA320 : Warning over bogus flights to Bali People buying seats on direct airlines flights from Auckland to Bali should beware as no such flights exist, police
165 777ER : The new visa system will make New Zealand less attractive for many countrys Thats the airline that was advertising on Trademe, and was talked about o
166 TG992 : FRA was never an absolute turkey, but it never made any serious money either. The main problem was that the yields were rubbish, since LH really had
167 Post contains links TG992 : Full article here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/organisati...story.cfm?o_id=5&objectid=10501286 Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe has put his name
168 777ER : Is there any news on the 1900D that NZ has on order on its fleet page? Which airline is it coming from?
169 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ to know dreamliner delay time soon Air New Zealand expects to hear soon what kind of delay there will be in delivery of new Boeing 787 aircraft
170 777ER : Updates on the RNZAF B757s. NZ7571 has had its cargo door fully installed, and should have started flight tests, before going to PAE for further milit
171 Post contains links ANstar : http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23468559-462,00.html? V Australia will initially fly the highly profitable Sydney-LAX route and we estim
172 HLZCPH : Is there any news on the 1900D that NZ has on order on its fleet page? Which airline is it coming from? I read about it somewhere recently, probably
173 Koruman : Zilch. V Australia flies non-stop SYD-LAX, but does not common rate Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide and Gold Coast, so they are add-ons fare-wise. Air
174 Post contains links PA515 : The 18th 1900D (ZK-EAR) will be c/n UE-388 and it was with Airtransee for just a year. Before that it was N845CA with Commutair, same as c/n UE-366 (
175 PA515 : Correction: ZK-EAQ is c/n UE-363. The other details are correct. PA515
176 DavidByrne : NZ's summer Tasman timetable is now up, and includes the changes foreshadowed by NZ plus some others: AKL-SYD - 37 flights a week, up from 32-33. It i
177 REALDEAL : VA have only launched 1 route so far !!! Look out for BNE or MEL to figure in next few routes. Remember they have 7 x 777-300ER's coming. To operate
178 Koruman : There is another factor here - Air NZ services from AKL/CHC/WLG to Gold Coast are actually cannibalising a significant part of the demand to Brisbane
179 Axio : What will this actually entail? Are we talking a piece of paper filled in on the plane like the I-94? Or just a basic passport check at the transit s
180 ANstar : From my understanding you would need an NZ Visa to transit. Ie if you were coming from China, you would need to pay for a Visa to transit NZ... It wo
181 DavidByrne : My recollection is that the trend over a number of years has been for BNE services to be more frequent in winter than summer, and MEL services to be
182 Mariner : Thanks for that. Perhaps I wish you had told me it was an absolute turkey, then I would understand the cancellation more. I wasn't here, I don't know
183 777ER : AKL-PVG was on Grab a Seat today with return flights for $508 - all sold out now. Up till today, NZ must have been having a shocking time trying to se
184 Post contains links 777ER : Auckland Airport expansion plans on hold AdvertisementThe first stage of a multi-million dollar expansion of Auckland Airport has been officially open
185 777ER : AKL-Beijing is on Grab a Seat today. I'm suspecting the return fares will be around $500-$520 based on yesterdays PVG fares
186 Kiwiandrew : it is just another irrational panic reaction from the government - like the way they stole 5 years validity off new passports for 'better security' -
187 DavidByrne : Sorry, but I don't see this was either "irrational", a "panic" or "stealing". Just get over it!
188 Zkpilot : and I must say that it sure is refreshing to arrive into AKL and have a nice large open plan arrivals area to walk into! Not sure if they have shown
189 Knid : Is this correct? HKG, PEK, etc are all in Asia
190 Zkpilot : Been a while since HKG for me so the memory is a bit fuzzy, but I do know that most airports have relatively small "arrivals" dutyfree... HKG certain
191 Post contains images Flyjetstar : This is on the NZ Herald website. Is it in NZ? There is no job too big for gaffer tape: Luckily, Sideswipe's anonymous traveller was more amused than
192 777ER : Yes that departures from WLG. Petone, Lower Hutt and State Highway 2 is the background. The 737 is about to fly over Newlands
193 NZ1 : Can't say for sure if it's an NZ aircraft. But this tape is able to withstand airspeeds of over 600mph. It is common to use it to cover up sealant whi
194 Post contains links 777ER : 34 flights grounded as Air Nelson pilots strike A half-day strike by Air Nelson pilots today led to the cancellation of 34 flights. The New Zealand Ai
195 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Air New Zealand will charge domestic travellers up to $20 for a second bag in sweeping plans to overhaul airport check-in. Occasional travellers will
196 AerorobNZ : This is a much needed change, and I applaud the company for doing so, I hope it extends to international non-US sectors as well. Strollers should not
197 NZ107 : Might be back to 30kg limits! This pricing scheme is much better and looks much less confusing than the current one. I wonder how they will track the
198 DavidByrne : I'm picking, Aerorob, that you're not a parent! I'm not quite sure by what criteria you claim that larger buggies are "unacceptable", but it does sma
199 Axio : I dislike the idea on a completely personal level. From time to time I need to travel with an instrument, which by virtue of its fragility needs its
200 ZKSUJ : Interesting about the bag thing. I personally don't like it as some have no choice than to carry more than 2 pieces of luggage. Lucky it's only a tria
201 777ER : Thankfully for us lucky ones who live in ZQN, DUD, CHC, WLG and AKL who have a selction of airlines to fly, if were flying with more then one bag for
202 AerorobNZ : Absolutely correct, however I deal every day with parents travelling with infants and young kids, I have watched many families come and go through th
203 Zkpilot : I read the article further and it was interesting (well not really it was to be expected) that the NZH would take its usual biased view.... they inte
204 TG992 : With your usual knack for taking a black and white stance on an issue that's shades of grey, you've conveniently overlooked the fact that the baggage
205 DavidByrne : A couple of points on this: First, when your child is very small, it's not safe to use an "umbrella" stroller - a baby needs to be able to lie down p
206 Alangirvan : A few threads ago I was asking people about the Ryanair deal where you pay a basic airfare, and then pay extra money to check bags. If you tick a box
207 777ER : But it appears the extra 10kgs won't be allowed to be spread between bags, which will be an issue for pax, especially familys. ie: two bags weighing
208 777ER : Does anyone know if this new USA carriers baggage rules also apply for Intl pax, in terms of extra fees for domestic flights?
209 AerorobNZ : There are cot kind of strollers that dismantle into a small enough bag to go onboard in the overhead or closet compartment as a suitable cabin bag, b
210 BlackLabel : As a frequent traveler often with 0, 1, or more bags I think this is stupid. How is the "between" measured? And if it's regardless of the weight of t
211 Post contains links 777ER : Thread #29 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3919758/
212 DavidByrne : Again, it's obvious you've never been a parent! A parent mgiht be able to buy the make/model/size of stroller you're talking about, but let's face it
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