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Ryanair Want To Link BHX And Baltimore  
User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

A sentence from this article

"Ryanair, Europe’s leading low-cost airline, has even promised a new venture linking the likes of Birmingham (England) and Baltimore"

http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10911290

Very interesting, does anybody think it will happen as it mentions no other details

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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

Not for a while:

Quote:
Mr O’Leary, the chief executive of Ryanair, said that he was seeking to buy between 30 and 50 long-haul jets.

These would be either the Boeing 787 or the Airbus A350, neither of which is in the air yet.

He is proposing to launch a company, wholly owned by Ryanair, which will start flying within four years to up to half a dozen US cities.

Four years is a long time in this business, not to mention that if he hasn't ordered either type yet then he won't even get them within four years.

He's blowing smoke IMO.


User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8424 times:



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 1):
He's blowing smoke IMO.

Thats what i thought, but i thought i would share it with this forum to get some opinions.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8407 times:

Lets hope it doesnt come off. Bad enough us having FR rammed down our throats all over Europe, least US is FR and MOL free. for the moment.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8382 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
Lets hope it doesnt come off. Bad enough us having FR rammed down our throats all over Europe, least US is FR and MOL free. for the moment.

Too late. Skybus is already flying... Albeit with ultra-crappy loads, but they are flying.



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8300 times:

Sorry, yes forgot, still you dont have Michael O Leary to put up with.

User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8287 times:

Can't wait for the cheeky little ad:

Ryanair London (Birmingham) to New York (Baltimore)



L1011 - P F M
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7755 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8219 times:

Will the A350 be available in 2012.

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Why not call it New York/Philadelphia/Washington (Norfolk) ?

-A



What now?
User currently offlineNcfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8212 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
Lets hope it doesnt come off. Bad enough us having FR rammed down our throats all over Europe, least US is FR and MOL free. for the moment.

I disagree. I have benefited from cheap travel with FR around Europe, and would jump at the chance of cheap travel to the US. I have been once and would like to see alot more of that country, but have limited means to acheive it.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

No doubt our friend pe@rson is very excited at the prospect. FR have virtually run out of places to go next, so maybe in the long term, the US will be in there plans. Heaven help their passengers and crew who during turnaround will be put up in NO star hotels !!!! haha

User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8133 times:



Quoting Shankly (Reply 6):
Can't wait for the cheeky little ad:

Ryanair London (Birmingham) to New York (Baltimore)

 rotfl   biggrin 

R


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8112 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
FR have virtually run out of places to go next,

They have far from 'run out of places to go next.' They wouldn't have another 100+ 737-800s on order if they didn't know what to do with them.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
No doubt our friend pe@rson is very excited at the prospect.

I imagine a lot of people are. Cheap fares across the pond is enough to get me 'excited at the prospect.'

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
Heaven help their passengers

Yep, those passengers that were FORCED to fly with the airline.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

What will FRs policy be for crew layovers, will they have to pay for their own accommodation? its a thing FR doesnt have to face on short haul but should they go to US, their crew will need a rest. maybe Fr will make them sleep on the aircraft.

User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8038 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):
They have far from 'run out of places to go next.' They wouldn't have another 100+ 737-800s on order if they didn't know what to do with them.

They could be used more for frequency on current destinations, rather than new destinations. I think what Orion737 means is that pretty much every corner in Europe has been covered where money can be made.


User currently offlineLIFFY1A From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8039 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
Lets hope it doesnt come off. Bad enough us having FR rammed down our throats all over Europe, least US is FR and MOL free. for the moment.

Speak for yourself, maybe some people want cheap air travel, well 50m pax a year do with Ryanair and probably want it to the USA aswell. These days air travel is nothing more than a bus service in the sky.


User currently onlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7961 times:

This was discussed back in Feb in:

What Are Ryanair's Plans Once "Open Skies" Is Open (by BP1 Feb 12 2008 in Civil Aviation)

As I said in that thread:

"There have been persistent rumours that Ryanair are looking at TATL ops on routes such as STN-ISP.
I am pretty confident that Ryanair will have studied it - they are too professional not to have done so - the question is what have they concluded?"

This BHX-BWI discussion is just another incarnation of the rumours.
I doubt there is smoke without fire, so, despite some people's desire not to allow free market capitalism to be applied, I strongly suspect that we will see a Ryanair affiliated TATL airline operating all sorts of interesting routes within 5-10 years.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7941 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 14):
I think what Orion737 means is that pretty much every corner in Europe has been covered where money can be made.

So there's no money to be made in Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Russia, Estonia, Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, as well as the masses of cities across Scandinavia, Germany and Eastern Europe that remain unserved by FR?

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 13):
What will FRs policy be for crew layovers, will they have to pay for their own accommodation? its a thing FR doesnt have to face on short haul but should they go to US, their crew will need a rest. maybe Fr will make them sleep on the aircraft.

Why don't you stop being pathetic? Of course their accomodation will be paid for, and no it won't be on the aircraft. The impression I'm getting is that you seem to think that they will be gathering up people off the street and forcing them to work and fly for the airline. If customers don't want to fly them, they don't have to. If people don't want to work for them, they don't have to.


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7810 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 17):
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 14):
I think what Orion737 means is that pretty much every corner in Europe has been covered where money can be made.

So there's no money to be made in Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Russia, Estonia, Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, as well as the masses of cities across Scandinavia, Germany and Eastern Europe that remain unserved by FR?

I think he means that the most popular/well-known cities in Europe are already served by Ryanair...either directly or from an airport many miles away from the city they are serving.

There is money to be made in those markets for sure, but it probably won't happen overnight, and some of the more far-flung places won't all be served from say DUB and STN. And if the projected recession that market experts keep harping on about comes to reality then Ryanair growth probably won't be as high as it has been.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7755 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

If you think that FR being obliged to pay for accomodation is scaremongering, do'nt they pay for some training and uniforms already

User currently offlineFruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7629 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 13):
maybe Fr will make them sleep on the aircraft.

If MOL thinks it'll save him $$ he'll do it. He won't be carrying much cargo, so can have a large crew "motel" in the a/c hold.....  Smile

Actually, this gets better the more I think about it, is it legal?????



Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel.
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

For the aircraft currently flown by Ryannair, best would be London Prestwick PIK - New York Manchester MHT.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineFruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

If MOL can get me from MAN / BHX to the US for £175 or so it sounds like a deal to me, and I'll sign up to the flights right now. I'll even load my own luggage.

Just make sure I can hire a car at the other end, then I can drive to somewhere I might want to go  Smile

It'll be fascinating to see what he does with the opportunity.....and I'll be gobsmacked if he doesn't step up to the plate on this one.

(notice the trans-atlantic mixed metaphor there?)

Cheers..................



Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel.
User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Actually, you lot, when FR DO have to nightstop crew it is usually a decent hotel. I book Ryanair, i know what I am booking, and I know what I am gonna get for my £12 all in return to Dublin. If anyone has the irk to complain at fares like that, they need a good seeing to!

Regards

Mike

P.S does anyone know that hot piece of Italian shaved headed stuff based in Dublin? grrrrrr!


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

How long in advance do you have to book to get a £12 all in fare though? 2 years??

25 HUYfan : I booked LGW-DUB-LGW for £12 all in, about 3 weeks before travel. Regards Mike
26 Embajador3 : FR crew DO nightstop for many reasons, and they always do at 3/4/5 star hotels. They are not allowed to sleep on the aircraft at all (the only excepti
27 Maverick623 : Well, I would assume that you would have to put a Federal Inspection Station at ISP. I know they're hurting for business, but would they do it just f
28 Post contains images Steeler83 : In that respect, I wonder if they've considered MDT?!!
29 Jetdeltamsy : I agree. In the current, high cost environment, i don't think an upstart of the nature Mr. OLeary is talking about is very iffy at best. granted, Rya
30 ComeAndGo : A LCC in the US charges $300 round trip trans-con between 5 and 6 hrs of flight. Since Ryanair's fairs are consistently cheaper than any US LCC on sim
31 Jcf5002 : Hey now, don't be knockin MDT, I used to work there!!! (although they would be more than happy to accept an airline like Ryanair...)
32 Flipdewaf : Is this totally unthinkable? lets say they take a 250seat jet with 7 F/As then they could do a LH style rest area below and use that on the way back
33 ACEregular : Should this venture go ahead then crew WILL have to be put up in hotels. Orion I know you despise the lo-co sector which has come in and practically
34 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I think it's a bit far fetched to think that FR will be flying transatlantic from BHX to start off with, that's just a spot of good PR to get Ryanair
35 Post contains images Sailas : love ryanair booked TMP STN last year and cost me less than 50 euros there and back! The aircraft was just about brand new and the service crew on bot
36 Wirelock : for me its only a question of when FR start trans atlantic. FR is different from other airlines in the way that it tries to limit its operating costs
37 GCT64 : I think it is pretty clear there is the demand, FR would only be executing (no doubt incredibly effectively and efficiently) what Globespan tried (and
38 Dangould2000 : I'm cabin crew with ryanair and have had a few stopovers, in january, i had a stopover in TRF, the airline put us into a great hotel, it was the same
39 GT4EZY : Actually, you will find that often LCC crews are accommodated in hotels similar to legacy carriers. Certainly whilst I have been working for BA/GT th
40 SkyguyB727 : That wouldn't surprise me with a LCC. I read an article years ago about a South American airline that had flights to MIA. The airline did not provide
41 Orion737 : BA ius not still here, least in the regions. The LCCs are increasingly squeezing out BA, like at BHX and MAN to Europe we now have no direct choice or
42 CitrusCritter : So who thinks FR will charge to help passengers with their customs/immigration forms?
43 Flighty : What a joke. That would NEVER work. England fares are low. It's just the taxes, and Ryanair has no way around that.
44 Flighty : And burn what for jet fuel, popcorn?
45 GT4EZY : BA's decline in the regions is not entirely due to LCC's. As we know, alot of it was to do with the fact that BA wanted a centralised network focused
46 Post contains images Callumm92 : I agree with absolutely everything you've said there. With regards to FR going T/A, I think they're just stirring here and trying to make BA etc. fee
47 Iahflyer : Just to add on... Ryanair London (Birmingham) to Metropolis (Harisburg, PA)
48 ComeAndGo : Sounds funny doesn't it ? A 2 hr flight with Ryanair or Easyjet is $50 in the US its $100. Jetblue charges minimum $250 RT Long Beach JFK a 5 hour fl
49 Orion737 : GT4EZY, isnt the 'food' you sell on board, pringles, kitkates and the odd sandwich, should there be one left? I would happily pay you for a hot tasty
50 Pe@rson : Who cares? All you ever do is moan or talk endlessly about uniforms, hot meals, boiled sweets, and newspapers. How many flights have you flown this y
51 Orion737 : 4 times this year. Its a wonder I have made that many, trying to find a full service airline from up North is like trying to find a needle in haystack
52 Pe@rson : With which airline(s)?
53 Orion737 : Charters, TOM, FCA, TCX and I have been able to purchase a hot meal in advance and reserve my seats. They might be going downhill but I can at least l
54 Post contains images SandroZRH : Oh yeah, showing off with £1 FR bus tickets is so... at you.
55 Orion737 : Oh Im still laughing SandroZRH, I wish Id have been clever enough to come it with that line.
56 Post contains images Pe@rson : LOL. Yeah, I always fly FR. I mean, I don't fly anyone else. Golly, I fly them so often I must love it. Now, let's consider the facts: 1) Since March
57 Orion737 : I havent mentioned boiled sweets for 3 years or somet like that. Its you who keeps fetching them up and if you dont fly FR that much why do you work l
58 Post contains images Pe@rson : I love it.
59 Post contains images Sailas : i love FR...atleast those few times i flew with them. Hopefully after the summer ill be able to fly TMP Dublin on yes FR! Gee some of you get to fly a
60 Mortyman : Ryanair has said recently that they will offer tickets from Europe to the USA for 80 NOK ( about 16 USD ) ! Is it even possible for Ryanair to keep th
61 Pe@rson : IF it created a long-haul airline then such low fares would be one-way, tax-exclusive, and lead-in only. The average fare would be much greater, and
62 TUIflyer : I think the airline itself, which has been given the temporary name of RyanAtlantic will be a lot more like the standard airlines like VS, BA and AA.
63 LTBEWR : Much higher fuel prices, the costs to set up in the USA at the airports, the competition of a number of airlines between USA and Europe, their penchan
64 Post contains images SandroZRH : You know, your "Tell me how many flights youve booked so far" came across like: "Oh i'm so cool, i can afford to fly so often, unlike you losers". He
65 Mortyman : Hey, people Ryanair says it's gonna sell tickets to around 16 USD. That's not just slightly cheaper fares, that is giving away fares basically for fre
66 Pe@rson : I couldn't give a damn how it came across. Its sole purpose was to rebut your absurd assumption that I either fly FR a lot or only fly FR. And as it
67 Post contains images SandroZRH : Yo obviousely missed my point I'll get to visit enough airports, ever heard of standby tickets? LX is in *A, does that ring a bell? Anyway, i tried t
68 SBON : I am totally in for transatlantic FR flights... I just really hope it's not ISP - can't stand driving out to long island.
69 Post contains images Pe@rson : Too right I am, but only when dealing with fools like you and Orion. Otherwise, I'm most friendly. Hell, I'll even buy the beer, as Plymspotter will
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