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What Will Air Berlin Do With The 757?  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

According to some German aviation sites Air Berlin will change fleets in May with Belair- Belair will get 2 737s while Air Berlin is getting the 757s. Since Air Berlin already has a very diverse fleet I was wondering what Air Berlin is planning to do with the 757. LTU has replaced the 757 almost ten years ago with A321s for its charter flights and the range of the A321 is very sufficient for Air Berlin European network while offering a similar capacity as the 757. The advantage of the 757 is its range especially when it is equiped with winglets. One idea I got is that the 757 could be used on DUS-JFK flights. LH will start DUS-EWR again using A340s and CO is flying to EWR from Cologne. Maybe AB finds that the A330 is too big for that route and will use the A330 elsewhere ?
Any idea ?


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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

maybe tenerife? all i can see is range gain sp probably somewhere in n. america... hard to know.


Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK, KL, BT, CX, QR
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3931 times:



Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
According to some German aviation sites Air Berlin will change fleets in May with Belair- Belair will get 2 737s while Air Berlin is getting the 757s

 banghead 

This is what happens when you sell to AB, freaking shame.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

They will not be so lonely when AB takes over DE and their 13 or so 753s. However, they might act as a route opener for long-haul (like QR with their A319LR), but they will probably disappear rather soon.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3911 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 2):
This is what happens when you sell to AB, freaking shame.

Still I see no reason. Belair could have kept their 757s and do flights for Air Berlin like they are doing now. Why the fleet change ? Air Berlin must have something in mind regarding the 757.



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User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3800 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
Air Berlin must have something in mind regarding the 757

Book-keeping trick? Saving taxes ?


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

AB is obviously on a mission to acquiring 1 of every aircraft.


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User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3561 times:



Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
AB is obviously on a mission to acquiring 1 of every aircraft.

cool! They should try to get a B717 and a MD11. These birds would look great in AB's new livery.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

I wonder what AB's fleet will be in coming years. I'm sure CO would love to get its hands on some of the 757-300's on their way to AB! I'm sure most of Condors, Belair etc's fleet will eventually just be 737/320's

User currently offlineClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3364 times:



Quoting Columba (Thread starter):

Maybe we shouldn't ask ourselves what Air Berlin will do with the planes but instead why Belair hands them over to Air Berlin. As you and others already said, Air Berlin could use the planes over the pond or to the Canaries. I don´t see a problem utilizing these planes. Thus you have to ask yourself why they have to leave Belairs fleet. I am not so familiar with Belair and the Swiss market but I think it´s possible that Air Berlin sees their core market (at least this summer) not in Switzerland and thus reduces capacities in favor of the German market.

As I said that´s pure speculation but again I think using the 757 should not be a problem for Air Berlin.

Florian


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3200 times:



Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
One idea I got is that the 757 could be used on DUS-JFK flights. (... ) Maybe AB finds that the A330 is too big for that route and will use the A330 elsewhere ?

Flying those B752's to JFK would require them to be re-fitted with a decent Business Class; ABs A330 are scheduled to receive a new Business Class product to be on offer from autumn onwards. If AB really wants to tackle LH and position itself as an airline for the Business Traveller, they need a good Business Class longhaul (to Business destinations).
Flying the B752 in addition to the A330 to JFK might be another option, but I am unsure if AB can attract enough pax to make both flights profitable.

Quoting ClipperBerlin (Reply 9):
As I said that´s pure speculation but again I think using the 757 should not be a problem for Air Berlin.

Two B752 in a fleet is an "odd ball" mx-wise and also crew-wise. But not every single move by AB recently has been absolutely brilliant.
However, indeed, for the B752s things might be better once & if DE gets taken over, but also the following scenario is possible (for shorthaul fleet) :

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8):
I'm sure most of Condors, Belair etc's fleet will eventually just be 737/320's

-HT



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3039 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 10):
Flying those B752's to JFK would require them to be re-fitted with a decent Business Class;

I have just read the AB 757 will have 209 seats all economy.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8):
I wonder what AB's fleet will be in coming years.

In a few years they will hopefully manage to get rid of some of their aircraft and will have a more streamline fleet:
Q400 operated by LGW
A319,A320,A321
737-700 and -800
787-8

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8):
I'm sure CO would love to get its hands on some of the 757-300's on their way to AB! I'm sure most of Condors, Belair etc's fleet will eventually just be 737/320's

Agreed, AB will fly the 757-300s and 767s from DE for awhile but not longer than 2015.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineLX001 From Austria, joined Jun 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

I´ve just booked a flight from Zurich to Alicante in November. The seat-map showed the 757...

[Edited 2008-04-01 06:02:46]

[Edited 2008-04-01 06:03:19]

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