Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7153 posts, RR: 4 Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4720 times:
According to some German aviation sites Air Berlin will change fleets in May with Belair- Belair will get 2 737s while Air Berlin is getting the 757s. Since Air Berlin already has a very diverse fleet I was wondering what Air Berlin is planning to do with the 757. LTU has replaced the 757 almost ten years ago with A321s for its charter flights and the range of the A321 is very sufficient for Air Berlin European network while offering a similar capacity as the 757. The advantage of the 757 is its range especially when it is equiped with winglets. One idea I got is that the 757 could be used on DUS-JFK flights. LH will start DUS-EWR again using A340s and CO is flying to EWR from Cologne. Maybe AB finds that the A330 is too big for that route and will use the A330 elsewhere ?
Any idea ?
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4528 times:
They will not be so lonely when AB takes over DE and their 13 or so 753s. However, they might act as a route opener for long-haul (like QR with their A319LR), but they will probably disappear rather soon.
COEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4114 times:
I wonder what AB's fleet will be in coming years. I'm sure CO would love to get its hands on some of the 757-300's on their way to AB! I'm sure most of Condors, Belair etc's fleet will eventually just be 737/320's
Maybe we shouldn't ask ourselves what Air Berlin will do with the planes but instead why Belair hands them over to Air Berlin. As you and others already said, Air Berlin could use the planes over the pond or to the Canaries. I don´t see a problem utilizing these planes. Thus you have to ask yourself why they have to leave Belairs fleet. I am not so familiar with Belair and the Swiss market but I think it´s possible that Air Berlin sees their core market (at least this summer) not in Switzerland and thus reduces capacities in favor of the German market.
As I said that´s pure speculation but again I think using the 757 should not be a problem for Air Berlin.
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6526 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3804 times:
Quoting Columba (Thread starter): One idea I got is that the 757 could be used on DUS-JFK flights. (... ) Maybe AB finds that the A330 is too big for that route and will use the A330 elsewhere ?
Flying those B752's to JFK would require them to be re-fitted with a decent Business Class; ABs A330 are scheduled to receive a new Business Class product to be on offer from autumn onwards. If AB really wants to tackle LH and position itself as an airline for the Business Traveller, they need a good Business Class longhaul (to Business destinations).
Flying the B752 in addition to the A330 to JFK might be another option, but I am unsure if AB can attract enough pax to make both flights profitable.
Quoting ClipperBerlin (Reply 9): As I said that´s pure speculation but again I think using the 757 should not be a problem for Air Berlin.
Two B752 in a fleet is an "odd ball" mx-wise and also crew-wise. But not every single move by AB recently has been absolutely brilliant.
However, indeed, for the B752s things might be better once & if DE gets taken over, but also the following scenario is possible (for shorthaul fleet) :
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8): I'm sure most of Condors, Belair etc's fleet will eventually just be 737/320's
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