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User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2617 times:

Good day everyone,

I've noticed a number of widebodies in the Air Canada weekday schedule between YYZ and YUL. Are these ferry flights or are they fillers to keep utilization at the highest level possible? I also see that these flights seem cheaper than their smaller-aircraft counterparts, presumably because there are many more empty seats on them. If there are so many other flights between these two cities on smaller planes, is it worth flying these big guys back and forth half empty with the higher fuel costs of larger airplanes?

Thanks for any info!

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User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

I have traveled the "Rapidair" flights multiple times and yes...many of them are tag flights that re-position to fly onto International flights. For example, I have flown YUL-YYZ and noticed that the flight was then to fly to Europe.


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

I believe it's a bit of both. I know on YOW-YYZ, they'll occasionally position a 762 on that route which isn't designated for an onward flight from YOW. Usually the LHR flight is rotated in at LHR, but I believe I read somewhere that the aircraft for the new FRA flight will rotate in on the YOW-YYZ route.

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Rapidair 417 (YUL-YYZ) is always a heavy, and fairly often it's a 777.

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

There may be alot of open seats in advance for sale, but when dispatched, these flights are packed to the rafters. Last minute full fare bookings mean big bucks and high yield for Air Canada.


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

One of the Triple 7 flies to YUL then changes to YUL-CDG. Its the B777-300ER

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Where does AC do its A/B checks for the widebodies? YUL? Where are the heavy MX checks done?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2070 times:



Quoting FlyingDove (Thread starter):
is it worth flying these big guys back and forth half empty

Have you flown on any of those AC widebodies YYZ-YUL-YYZ? Every time I've been on an AC 767 on that route it's always been close to full.


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

YYZ YUL is a very very heavy volume route with lots of high yield last minute pax, why would you even assume they would be operating "half full" just because they are large a/c on a short haul flight?

User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2056 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Have you flown on any of those AC widebodies YYZ-YUL-YYZ? Every time I've been on an AC 767 on that route it's always been close to full.

I will be tomorrow actually  Smile. Right now the flight seems pretty empty still, for a 77W... Will advise after the flight!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2037 times:



Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 9):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Have you flown on any of those AC widebodies YYZ-YUL-YYZ? Every time I've been on an AC 767 on that route it's always been close to full.


I will be tomorrow actually . Right now the flight seems pretty empty still, for a 77W... Will advise after the flight!

I expect the 77W may be harder to fill than a 762 which is the only AC widebody I've flown on that route. Everything up to 747s has been used on that route over the years.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Beyond the repositioning flights there are regular fills flights. The widebody that does the YYZ/LHR roundtrip does a YYZ/YUL round trip. So the aircraft lands from LHR, unloads at the International arm of Terminal 1, and then is towed to the domestic arm to load for the Montreal flight. Then does the reverse on return from YUL. This accounts for the 4 to 6 hours the aircraft is back in Canada.

User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

In the end, there was a switch to an A330, with about 100 pax in coach and somewhat sparse up front as well. Too bad - I would have liked to have been on a new 77W!

User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1731 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
I expect the 77W may be harder to fill than a 762 which is the only AC widebody I've flown on that route. Everything up to 747s has been used on that route over the years.

Once, back in the '80s, on the Friday of Grand Prix weekend in Montreal, myself and two colleagues took up the last three available seats on a YYZ-YUL Rapidair flight. It was a 747-133 (C-FTOD, fin 304). I believe, at the time, it was configured for over 400 seats.

Being Grand Prix weekend, many people were connecting in from other cities, and of course many were staying over the weekend. So a huge number of folks had checked luggage (self included, in my case, technical equipment). Well, the chaos that a few hundred folks caused around one of YUL's dinky domestic carousels was unbelievable.

I think I've flow just about every AC widebody on that route except the A340 and 777 (looking forward to the latter!). I've been on the 747, the L10, L15, 762, 763, 747 (never a combi though... flown on those, both the -233 and -433, on other routes though).

My favourite of the lot though, was the L15.

Beech


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