FlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2617 times:
Good day everyone,
I've noticed a number of widebodies in the Air Canada weekday schedule between YYZ and YUL. Are these ferry flights or are they fillers to keep utilization at the highest level possible? I also see that these flights seem cheaper than their smaller-aircraft counterparts, presumably because there are many more empty seats on them. If there are so many other flights between these two cities on smaller planes, is it worth flying these big guys back and forth half empty with the higher fuel costs of larger airplanes?
Globalflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
I have traveled the "Rapidair" flights multiple times and yes...many of them are tag flights that re-position to fly onto International flights. For example, I have flown YUL-YYZ and noticed that the flight was then to fly to Europe.
Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
Jamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2447 times:
I believe it's a bit of both. I know on YOW-YYZ, they'll occasionally position a 762 on that route which isn't designated for an onward flight from YOW. Usually the LHR flight is rotated in at LHR, but I believe I read somewhere that the aircraft for the new FRA flight will rotate in on the YOW-YYZ route.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
Beyond the repositioning flights there are regular fills flights. The widebody that does the YYZ/LHR roundtrip does a YYZ/YUL round trip. So the aircraft lands from LHR, unloads at the International arm of Terminal 1, and then is towed to the domestic arm to load for the Montreal flight. Then does the reverse on return from YUL. This accounts for the 4 to 6 hours the aircraft is back in Canada.
BeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1731 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10): I expect the 77W may be harder to fill than a 762 which is the only AC widebody I've flown on that route. Everything up to 747s has been used on that route over the years.
Once, back in the '80s, on the Friday of Grand Prix weekend in Montreal, myself and two colleagues took up the last three available seats on a YYZ-YUL Rapidair flight. It was a 747-133 (C-FTOD, fin 304). I believe, at the time, it was configured for over 400 seats.
Being Grand Prix weekend, many people were connecting in from other cities, and of course many were staying over the weekend. So a huge number of folks had checked luggage (self included, in my case, technical equipment). Well, the chaos that a few hundred folks caused around one of YUL's dinky domestic carousels was unbelievable.
I think I've flow just about every AC widebody on that route except the A340 and 777 (looking forward to the latter!). I've been on the 747, the L10, L15, 762, 763, 747 (never a combi though... flown on those, both the -233 and -433, on other routes though).