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Cessna Crash Near Biggin Hill  
User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16112 times:

BREAKING NEWS

"Aircraft Crashes Into Kent Homes"

Sky News (UK)

"A light plane has crashed into homes in Kent, leading to grave fears for residents and six people believed to be on board the aircraft."



The private Cessna aircraft hit Broadwater Gardens, a residential area in Farnborough.

Sky correspondent Martin Brunt said: "There are a number of houses on fire".

"There is real concern that quite a number of casualties are likely to emerge from this."

[Edited 2008-03-30 07:39:54]

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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16079 times:

Quote:
Cessna Crash Near Biggin Hill



Quoting Swiftski (Thread starter):
The private Cessna aircraft hit Broadwater Gardens, a residential area in Farnborough.


Now on Sky News as being Farnborough, Kent not the one, one would assume it to be.

Any ideas as to which Cessna type ?. - Now on Sky News as a Cessna Citation with at least 5 onboard.

Doesn't look hopeful for the occupants from that pic.

(edited to answer my own questions)
 

[Edited 2008-03-30 07:59:50]

[Edited 2008-03-30 08:01:07]


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User currently offlineSmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16054 times:

Apparently it is a Citation with 5 people on board. Hope that there are survivors.

User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 805 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16050 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 1):
Which is it ?. Biggin Hill or Farnborough ?.

The BBC shows a map which shows a Farnborough near Biggin Hill- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7321589.stm


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16064 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 1):
Which is it ?. Biggin Hill or Farnborough ?.

Update: On approach to Biggin Hill at time of crash.

""I was on final approach about 30 seconds from touchdown, and I heard the pilot in the other plane declare mayday.

"They were experiencing some aircraft vibration in the engines."

"Biggin Hill Tower acknowledged the mayday and the pilot reported five people on board."

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 1):
Any ideas as to which Cessa type ?.

No, although one (non-aviation) witness reported that the plane "sounded like it was having problems getting the landing gear down". I am not reading too much into this as I believe the other pilot is more likely to be accurate.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 1):
Doesn't look hopeful for the occupants from that pic.

Unfortunately I agree. Was shocked to read this story as I was at Biggin Hill at about 1.30 today.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16056 times:

Wherever that is, it looks an awful mess - all you can hope for is as many survivors as possible, but it doesn't look good from the pictures  Sad

Fingers crossed though.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16068 times:

According to PPRuNe, it's VP-BGE.


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

Damn, I hope no one was killed  Sad

I just started a thread on this, then spotted this one, so ive suggested deletion of mine.



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User currently offlineSmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15929 times:

According to the pilot of an aircraft landing at Biggin, the jet took off in front of him and experienced difficulties in the climb out. It tried to circle around and land again, but didnt make it. It would have been full of fuel, hence the fire.

Unfortuately it does not look good for anyone on the a/c. as far as survivors are concerned.


User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15818 times:



Quoting Smeg (Reply 8):
Unfortuately it does not look good for anyone on the a/c. as far as survivors are concerned.

Agreed, looks very bad... let's hope at least for no ground casualties, since homes are reported to have been set ablaze by the crash.  Sad  Sad
We had a similar accident here in LIN of a learjet having difficulties in the climb-out that tried to circle and crashed, that time it was due to several birdstrikes during the takeoff run.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15654 times:

Neighbours say they cant confirm but the residents may be on holidays !!! Hopefully they are away. Apparantly the house is No.5 and the lady is due to come back today .


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User currently offlineE195 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 189 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15528 times:
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hopefully they will find no fatalities, looks very scary from home

my gf and i almost moved to that area....



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15529 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
Neighbours say they cant confirm but the residents may be on holidays !!! Hopefully they are away. Apparantly the house is No.5 and the lady is due to come back today .

If that's the case then that would be amazing news. Life is full of coincidences and it would be unbelievable if they were due to arrive home earlier but because of delay (T5 bags?) they didn't make it and arrived in the evening.


User currently offlineLGWspeedbird From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15290 times:

This happened 220 meters from my house!!!! loads of emergency services went round the corner, ive had Kent air ambulance near enough land in my back garden and also the coastguard and sea king yellow sea and rescue helicopters over my house!!!

This is very sad my thoughts are with the ppl affected by this accident. many local residents have been evacuated for 24hrs.

I myself have been feeling shocked as it happened so close!!

Engine failiure is sounding like the cause of this accident.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15064 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
Wherever that is, it looks an awful mess - all you can hope for is as many survivors as possible, but it doesn't look good from the pictures Sad

Fingers crossed though.

I have to agree, the pics look awful. I doubt there are any survivors in that. But, I am too with you all on keeping the fingers crossed. What an awful tragedy. Do they have bird problems there? Maybe a bird ingestion?



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User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14917 times:

Heard on BBC News 24 it was flying so low that passengers could be seen panicking on board from the ground.

User currently offlineMAN23R From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14256 times:



Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 15):
Heard on BBC News 24 it was flying so low that passengers could be seen panicking on board from the ground.

i think this is just another typical statement from the media, most likely absolute utter nonsense......


User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14259 times:
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Unfortunately doesn't look as if anyone on board survived. If there is any hope for survivers my thoughts are with them.

BBC 24 trying to make a connection between 'crowded skies' and this crash.  no 

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 15):
passengers could be seen panicking on board from the ground.

How low / slow was the aircraft flying for people to witness this?

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User currently offlineSmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14176 times:

What a surprise, there are already people on UK television using this incident/tradegy to scream for the closure of Biggin Hill  Yeah sure This one of the most historic airflelds in the UK having been one of the pricipal fighter bases during the Battle of Britain in WW2. (although most people will have seen it when the private jet lands there in the Da Vinci code film!).

They seem to forget that the airfield has been there since 1917, while many of the houses in the immediate vicinity are less than 20 years old. However, rather than this just being a tragic accident that commands sympathy and condolences for all involved, it is being used as another lever in the destruction of UK general aviation. This is a typical knee jerk reaction that is all too indicative of a proportion of the UK's anti aviation population.

If there are no survivors, may the deceased rest in peace, and I hope that their memories are not tarnished for a political agenda.


User currently offlineSmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14011 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 17):

How low / slow was the aircraft flying for people to witness this?

In order to see that, it would have had to have been pretty much on the ground, as the windows are quite small and placed virtually above the wing. More rubbish from the British Media.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13936 times:
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Can we confirm the registration at all? I'm having trouble trying to get hold of my best mate, who flies these beasts for a living.


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User currently offlineEMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13897 times:

The news are saying that the pilot reported excessive engine vibration. Does anyone know how long they had been in the air before it crashed?

My thoughts are with those on the plane and those on the ground.


User currently offlineRobKemp From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13833 times:

Why do we need a registration?? Aren't you concerned for the people who are unaccounted for on the plane. We shouldn't be speculating until the facts are known.

User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13725 times:
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Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 20):
Can we confirm the registration at all?

VP-BGE according to PPrune

Quoting RobKemp (Reply 22):
Why do we need a registration??

??? Suggest re-reading skygod's post.

Unfortunately London authorities are confirming all 5 onboard have been killed. No ground fatalities. RIP.

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User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13723 times:

No survivors - 5 dead on board Sad

25 Post contains images SpeedbirdEGJJ : Why shouldn't we want to know the reg??   And how exactly would posting that info be 'speculating'?? Of course everyones thoughts go to the families
26 BAe146QT : Smeg, I have taken the liberty of correcting your sentence for you. Incidentally, the dead need no sympathy or RIP from us, even if it's natural to w
27 Smeg : According to a chap at Biggin, they had just taken off, so assume 3 or 4 minutes. Very sad situation indeed.
28 Xtoler : Yes, it is a tragedy, but I have to agree with you. I'm sure the "Greens" are having a field day with this. Who came first the airport or the houses?
29 Smeg : I agree with you BAe, and indeed do give thanks that there were no fatalities on the ground. However, having flown out of Biggin many times where I k
30 BAe146QT : To be fair, it wasn't a swipe at you - it was just tacked on to my post. I obviously don't intend that to apply to people who, like you, who have a p
31 Post contains images YVRLTN : Please correct me if Im wrong, but I believe this aircraft was based in either Filton or BOH. Although registered in Bermuda (VP-B), this is only a r
32 David_itl : Sky reporting a pilot as "Mike Roberts", with 2 pax being David Leslie (ex Touring Car Champion) and Richard Lloyd (an exec within Motorsport). RIP.
33 Climb1 : Oh dear. Today was the opening day of the BTCC (British Touring Car Championship) taking place not too far away at Brands Hatch. I wonder if (seeing
34 Gulfstream650 : Although I am aware of the tax benefits of owning a VP registered aircraft if you are in the UK but my question is:- Are the maintenence requirements
35 Hypersonic : Smeg - I'm with you on this.. As usual, the liberal apologisers get on the 'overcowded skies' bandwagon. - Where as, in this squashed up little countr
36 Post contains links F86sabre : Sadly it did involve those with connections to the BTCC. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66244
37 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Very sad news, for me a big memory of the BTCC in its Super Touring heyday was seeing David Leslie win in the Nissan Primera. And it's yet another los
38 A340Spotter : Sadly, it seems that way...Tomorrow (April 1) marks the 15 year anniversary of NASCAR Champion Alan Kulwicki's death in a plane crash near Bristol, T
39 JBirdAV8r : Ugh, I remember when that happened; I used to live a few miles from that crash site. I was in third grade and getting ready for bed. I saw a flash an
40 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Very sad news, my condolences to all those involved. May those who died RIP and thoughts with their families and friends. Dave
41 ImperialEagle : Years ago, in the early '70's I lived up on Buford Highway, (about a half-mile south of Clairmont), near PDK. As I was looking out of my kitchen windo
42 Awthompson : I thought at the start also that this was rubbish, but now having looked again at the Cessna Citation, it is certainly very possible that witness(es)
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