Captain Spanky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 526 times:
4 year college? What do we have to study for 4 years? I was planning on going to Flight Safety for 2 years to get my lisence. I see alaska airlines requires you have an associates degree. what for? same with the military. how much is this gonna cost me? Flight Safety for 2 years is like 33,000 bucks i can't afford going also to a 4 year college ontop of that. i'd be better off flying cocaine in columbia, i probably wouldn't even be required to have a lisence. Gee this sucks. So can someone explain what kinds of colleges (name a few and where they are ) I'd have to go to. And do i need to go to aviation college on top of that? thanks
Roberson From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 477 times:
From what I've heard, most airlines are only looking at a four year degree (in addition to plenty of flight time, of course). Generally, I've been told that it doesn't really matter what you major in as long as you have good grades and demonstrate a strong work ethic and ability to learn well. In the US, there are quite a few colleges that have four year programs in aviation. I will start college in the fall of 2002, and am planning to go to Metropolitan State College in Denver. There's plenty of other good schools as well. I think that or both have listings about colleges and more information about educational requirements.
Good Luck.
Roberson From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 476 times:
It didn't post my links in the above message! Both www.flyingcareers.com or www.landings.com have good information about colleges.
Sushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 458 times:
QantasA330 From Iraq, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 454 times:
My advice for you my friend, would be to go to a College/Flight School... One of the nice ones is UND... (University of North Dakota)... You graduate with 4 years + you get valuable flight time... plus many of these schools get the airlines to have a pretty good look at you. Trust me - this is the way for you to go... instead of taking 6 years it takes just 4. It will be more expensive then a normal College, when your doing the Aviation Programme... but it is still FAR cheaper than going to College and a big flight school.
WishIHADALIFE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 458 times:
I like how all this valuable info comes from kids that have probably just learned to masturbate. Save yourself the trouble and talk to someone in person.
DE727UPS From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 437 times:
Hey Spanky...I say do a non-aviation degree and fly at a small flight school at the same time....you have to put in some time, effort, and sacrifice, to make it as a pilot. There may be a lot of talk about a pilot shortage but the competition for the best jobs is intense....always will be. The only way to get to the top is to start at the bottom and work your way up. Many can't hack it, don't have the patience, and are weeded out early on. You have to pay your dues...that's just the way it is.
Avratdwc From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 427 times:
Hey man, watch the comments. I dont appreciate you bashing people on there age and thinking that they dont know whats up. I am 19, with an MEI rating, 600TT and 300ME along with a 2 year degree. Will this qualify enough for you to maybe listen. I have also been involved in the airlines my whole life so until you have proof to back up what you say keep it to yourself. As far as the degree stuff here it goes. You will not go directly to the majors out of FSI, you will have to spend time at the regional level and the way the industry is rite now you are looking well. You will have time to do degree work while in the regionals. I am planning on finishing my BS soon. Personally if you ask me get going on the ratings and the flight time then worry about the degree. Good luck, write if you have any more questions
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 423 times:
>>Personally if you ask me get going on the ratings and the flight time then worry about the degree.<<
I disagree with Avratdwc and understand why WishIhadalife came out with the commnet he did. I would get your BS and then worry about flying. Reason being if you loss your medical, or decide flying is not right for you, ect you will still have something to make a living off. However if you split with all you money, and then the flying side does not work out, you will be struggling!! Finish School, and then worry about flying!
Iain
PopFiction From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 410 times:
I'm going to clear up one thing off the bat: there ain't no way in hell the military is going to let you fly with an AA degree.
Let me offer you a few other bits of advice. WishIhadalife is a dickhead, plain and simple, however his counsel to you was wise. You need to find a bona fide pilot to be your mentor.
Secondly, you have stars in your eyes. Could be good, could be bad. You already sound disappointed. The fact of the matter is that you should get as much enjoyment flying a Cessna 152 as a Citation. Every trip to the airport should be a joy, and you should relish BSing in the pilot lounge and hanging out. You never know when you might get asked to ride along and get a little stick time. Especially when you get your IFR. Lots of people want to fly with safety pilots--they just don't know how to ask. Flying should be a calling, not just a job.
Third. Lots of people knock it, but CFIing can sharpen your skills up to a degree many others don't have. You're flying on someone else's dime as well. It doesn't take much to get a CFI if you have the discipline. In fact it's possible to do while you're in college. See, as a CFI you're logging lots of PIC time, you are interacting with different personalities, sharpening your CRM skills--building on little things that airlines look for. It won't cost you $33K to get a CFI.
Fourth. Get your degree. Get it in something you like and are interested in. Pilots flying the line are not all aerospace enginerds. Some have degrees in music, some in art history, others in chemistry--it doesn't matter. The degree is what matters.
Fifth. Don't rule out the military if that's what interests you either. Long commitment, but if you fly fast movers you will be truly one of the few.
Lastly, paying the dues to fly is well worth it. If you love to do it, it's going to be a fun road, not drudgery and stress.
Avratdwc From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 392 times:
The point that I was trying to make was that if you dont have the ratings and time the market could close up before you get the degree done and then rating times etc. People are already talking about a close up. However like the previous post you have to determine whether or not you want to be a professional or for fun, trust me there is nothing wrong with fun. I fly aerobatics as well as the airlines and I love it when I can chill out and fly some maneuvers and really do some flying.I wish you luck!!!!!!!!!!!
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 378 times:
What would you do if the economy closes up by the end of your training? Then you would have flight time with no airline jobs avilable, very little education, and no money. If you went to Uni, and the same scenario happens you are going to going to be able to coupe much better.
Also in regards to your referance about flying for fun, the topic is: Educating To Get To The Big Leagues, not about fun flying.
Iain
WISHIHADALIFE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 390 times:
So you have 600total and 300 multi, good for you. That still has nothing to do with me saying that most teenagers in this forum have absolutely no fucking clue what they are talking about and just regurgitate stuff that they hear. Oh, I can back up whatever I say, anytime, anywhere. I have airline experience and experience in fields you will never even come close to attaining. I have 665,760 hours of total time- lifetime, so shut your can.
Crossair145 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 369 times:
Here's my insight...
Degree: My old flight instructor got hired with Allegheny flying DASH-8's with NO college degree.
I have a AAS degree as a Professional Pilot and am working as a CFI now...looking for multi time if anyone knows where to find that?
I am also continuing with my BA in Environmental Science and only need one more semester to graduate. You really should back up any type of Aviation Degree.
My previous coworkers...all instructors are now flying for CoEx. One got hired on the BE-1900 and the other two on the EMB-145. The one that got hired on the BE-1900 had 740 Total Time and 90 Multi. The other two placed on the E-145 had over 200 Multi. Total Time is insignificant...Multi time is where its at. BTW, the one that got hired with the BE-1900 has just been sent paper work to upgrade to the E-145 because CoEx is getting rid of the 1900's...remember..they're going "ALL JET."
Bottom Line:
Regional Airlines: No-degree is okay, Associates degree will certainly help out.
Majors: 4-year degree is required.
Two most important things:
1). Building flight time.
2.) Making connections, knowing the right person, being at the right place at the right time...LUCK!
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