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Aloha Airlines To Cease Passenger Operations 3/31  
User currently offlineRw717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29672 times:

A friend of mine, who is an employee of AQ, just forwarded me an email from Aloha Management stating that they will cease passenger operations as of 3/31/08. The cargo and ground handling side of the company is going to remain in operation for the time being. It is sad to see this long running airline come to an end and my thoughts and prayers go out to all that are affected by this.

[Edited 2008-03-30 13:27:41]


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29658 times:

Well, that was quick. Shouldnt be long before someone runs in and blames GO!

User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29632 times:

Is this really for real???

I don't believe your source is reliable!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29591 times:

Well, the timing does give some (but ever so little) credence... announce it on Fri/Sat/Sun, and give it time to sink in with those in the know before Monday markets come about.

I'm certain we'll know whether this is true or not by this time tomorrow.


User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29600 times:

I just went to alohaair.com and tried to book a flight for 4/1/08. It says

A message from Aloha Airlines

Our booking engine is currently down.

Mahalo Nui Loa!


There is no way it would be down at 10am on Sunday. Looks like its real.


User currently offline787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29589 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
Well, that was quick. Shouldnt be long before someone runs in and blames GO!

yeah that was fast!

wouldn't it make sense that Go! would be in more trouble for letting their pilots nap while flying?



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29558 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
Shouldnt be long before someone runs in and blames GO!

Oh and Mesa/GO! is completely innocent here, I must have missed that between reading about sleeping pilots and their $80 million judgment in favor of Hawaiian.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29515 times:

Believe it, I have seen the email from Dave Banmiller the CEO of AQ. I would post the email, but I am sure that someone would flame me for that being inappropriate. It is after all proprietary information.


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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29507 times:

Seriously, if true, my heart goes out to the Aloha employees - may you find gainful employment soon, and if aviation is where your heart is, may another airline see the value of hiring someone with your experience.

User currently offlineHNLtrades118 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29428 times:

I just flew HNL-OGG-HNL with AQ on 3/24 and 3/26, and the service was awesome, despite the looming bankruptcy.

To see this airline, this member of our community disappear so gracelessly off the map like this is truly sad. My thoughts go out to all the hard-working, dedicated employees of Aloha Airlines.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29389 times:



Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 4):
I just went to alohaair.com and tried to book a flight for 4/1/08. It says

A message from Aloha Airlines

Our booking engine is currently down.

Mahalo Nui Loa!


There is no way it would be down at 10am on Sunday. Looks like its real.

Yeah I just tried it for myself and I got the same. Poor Aloha  fever 



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29353 times:

Well farewell you wonderful airline. I feel for the employees and those beautiful 737-200's they had for inter island operations. I am feeling bad for pilots and f/a's near retirement.

Hunter



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User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29289 times:

I hate to see go win...really chaps my patootis....

I was really hoping to see CO or UA step in and buy up AQs ops....if nothing else their space at the Interisland Terminal and their Aloha Pass program are valuable and would greatly assist a new entrant win over the very loyal Hawaiian customers.

Sad, sad day....

Will Mesa still have to pay the $80M (or whatever their to-AQ fine was)?


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29260 times:



Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 12):
Will Mesa still have to pay the $80M (or whatever their to-AQ fine was)?

To Hawaiian, yes. The case with Aloha hasn't reached that point yet, but me hopes it'll be more than what they had to give to Hawaiian. The kind of underhanded practices that Mesa pulled cannot be allowed to occur without serious consequences.



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User currently offlineXJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29261 times:

Crap happens! Good luck employee's of the airline. People must realize the economy is going to cause more airlines and businesses to go under. No job is safe! If your in the airline industry. Save your $$$$ as much as you can. Eat rice and beans folks. I'm not joking. Things are only going to get worse no matter who the next president is. We need to be prepared. I hope these employee's were prepared.

God Bless!


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11461 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29260 times:

I agree with others that, at least on the face of it, this looks like an obvious shut down - at least of the passenger business, apparently.

Questions I have:

1. Are Hawaiian and Go! prepared to handle this? This is without a doubt going to throw the inter-island travel market into complete chaos for at least a few days, if not weeks, until extra capacity can be brought in by HA and Go to backfill the loss of AQ seats. I'm sure both airlines have been preparing for this for weeks - and I know both have tentatively added extra sections for this eventuality.

2. Could Hawaiian conceivably get more 717s in the air over to the Islands to add more flights, or perhaps even temporarily lease some of Aloha's own 737s just to get seats in the air? A few extra sections at 2300 at night isn't going to cut it in terms of making up all of those lost seats.

3. When, exactly, are flights getting canceled? I saw over on FlyerTalk that AQ flights after 4/1 are zeroed out in SABRE, and the original poster on this thread said everything was shutting down as of 3/31. Does that mean today's flights, including the returns back to HNL tonight, will operate? And what about the redeyes to the mainland: will the cancel tonight's flights to OAK, SNA, SAN, etc., or allow them to operate out tonight and cancel the returns tomorrow?

Sad, sad state of affairs.

Good luck to everyone!


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3894 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29142 times:

A sad day in the 50th state, if this is indeed true. I wouldn't consider Go! to have won... since they're losing money as an operation and their parent Mesa is as well. Another thread indicated HA was prepared to backfill any lost capacity starting April 1, should this happen.


AZJ


User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29149 times:

Though not very efficient could HA fly the 767-300 on a couple of the higher-load flights (HNL-OGG, HNL-KOA) once a day to carry the extra pax?

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29142 times:

My thoughts go to those who will lose their jobs. Hopefully passengers won't be too inconvenienced. At least this is a more organized shut down than what has happened in the past when airplanes and crews and passengers have been left scattered all over the country.

Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 12):

Will Mesa still have to pay the $80M (or whatever their to-AQ fine was)?

If a payment is going to be made, it will go directly to a creditor most likely. The carrier is in bankruptcy, but not dissolved yet. Even if they shut down operations, the company doesn't instantly dissolve.



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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29098 times:

Yep, I just tried to book a flight from LAS to HNL. Still says their booking engine is down.
That is so sad. I flew them once I believe in between HNL and OGG. I will miss them.


User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 29099 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
Even if they shut down operations, the company doesn't instantly dissolve.

I am the proud owner of a a few airline shutdown medals. In fact, just last fall (2007) I got my final check from the Legend Airlines bankruptcy! 6 years!


User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28939 times:

I just called the reservation number and got a recorded message stating that Aloha was cessing all inter island and trans pacific service effective March 30. So it is true they are shuting down.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28924 times:

Sad day for Aloha . . .

I checked the Booking Engine also . . .

Go! didn't win . . . Aloha lost.

I'm telling you folks, I was wholly unimpressed with my two AQ flights last month . . . and for a 30 minute flight to cause someone to be 'unimpressed' that says something. Ground CSAs with the personality of a door stop, cabin crew the same, a/c with patches here and patches there . . .

Sorry . . .

Bad day for everyone at AQ - my best wishes for a future, but at least 5 of you that I met last month helped cause your own problems.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24888 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28912 times:

Good question as to what might happen with an AQ-Mesa trial.

For starters the case was not scheduled until October. Depending on what is left of the AQ corporate structure by then, it could very well only be the estate, or some form of creditors committee left to represent the company. This would be interesting as 1) do they have add'l money and willingness to pursue a trial that might take years to complete (esp with any subsequent appeals), 2) would they have the required evidentiary and supporting material to present without Aloha as an airline being present?.
Then finally comes what happens if they win a judgement against Mesa. Considering Mesa is a privately held company at the time of the lawsuit then Yucaipa partners would be in line to maybe recoup portions of the alleged $100mil they have lost in their Aloha investment, however certainly creditors would be in line for any money as well.



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User currently offlineHNLtrades118 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28897 times:



Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 17):
Though not very efficient could HA fly the 767-300 on a couple of the higher-load flights (HNL-OGG, HNL-KOA) once a day to carry the extra pax?

I imagine it's possible, but probably unlikely, because all the HA 767s are busy flying all the Transpac routes (someone from HA please confirm/refute).



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25 Isitsafenow : It official ...Aloha IS shutting down all but cargo ops. source NBC channel 8 Honolulu safe
26 Post contains links Imapilotaz : http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=8090803 KHNL) -- Aloha Airlines has announced that it is shutting down its inter-island and transpacific passen
27 FriendlySkies : Wonder what this will mean for UA passengers...they've been partners with AQ for as long as I can remember, and I believe own a 15% stake of the airli
28 Viasa : It is very sad, if they really shut down the passenger operations. I hope that the information is not true... But why will this airline only stop pass
29 Commavia : Lots and lots of endorsed tickets on Hawaiian. The next few weeks (hopefully not months) are going to be absolutely crazy flying to, from, or through
30 Orion737 : I could cry and Im burning with anger. Are Go! happy now?? happy at destroying a long serving, friendly airline company and one where we could all sti
31 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : Who will get the SNA slots? UA first priority?
32 UAL777UK : Terrible news, AQ was once a great "littl2 Airline, my thoughts are with the employees! Where does this leave UA, this leaves a big hole in the Island
33 MAH4546 : AA would love to have them. I don't know how SNA slots work, but I think they go back into a pool and the airport authority decides where they go. I
34 LAXintl : The airport authority, unless there is a corporate transaction where Aloha is taken over ala TWA>AA or merger like HP/US. Otherwise slots or non tran
35 MSPflyer : I guess WN will want the 737-700's.
36 Orion737 : I dont want to say goodbye to Aloha's 732s!! Please. Why hasnt the Courts prevented Go! from doing this?
37 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Before someone declares I've lost my mind: Interior of an AQ aircraft folown OGG-HNL 2/15/08 I didn't get a picture on 2/8 of the bulkhead seam with
38 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : Doesn't Europe already think that the US Airline Industry is over-regulated?
39 HNLtrades118 : I feel the same way. While the feelings are not so impassioned in the general populace in Hawaii, there is a group of us that are sad and furious ove
40 Mke717spotter : This is terrible...Aloha was always one of my favorite airlines and while I saw that they were in bad financial shape, I never thought it would come t
41 UA2162 : This is a sad, sad day for our islands. While I am no longer employed by AQ, I can't help but think of all the friends I left behind. What about them?
42 AirframeAS : Is this some friggin unnecessary April Fools joke?! What the heck?! Say it ain't so, ANC!
43 Post contains links Cactus739 : Its on Aloha's website now... http://www.alohaairlines.com/landing_pages/aloha_oe_news_release.php
44 Post contains images AirframeAS : I'm sure AS will be in a rush to take those slots pretty quick. I hope WN is watching this thread....
45 Orion737 : Who would have thought a nasty airline called Go! operating cramped 50 seat jets could bring down Aloha and their heavenly 732s. It seems it was their
46 Post contains images HNLtrades118 : I gave this some thought, and I came up with a scary scenario. As of right now, HA has codeshare or interline agreements with NW, CO, AA, KE, and VS.
47 Post contains links BlueFlyer : The cargo division is profitable, and there's actually an offer on the table to acquire it by the parent company of Northern Air Cargo in Alaska. htt
48 Tl8490 : Anyone think A Skyteam member will grab the assets to be the first to Australia ....????
49 RoseFlyer : HA does charters with its 767s, so certainly they do have flexibility in their schedule. I know they have done Seattle Seahawks and Oakland Raiders c
50 BA319-131 : - It's such a shame. I had planned to fly Aloha in August just to fly some good old 732's, looks pretty much out of the window now. Best Wishes for t
51 Post contains images Ikramerica : People didn't have to fly go!. Customers could have shown loyalty. But when go! first started, I heard a lot of bitching about AQ and HA prices, and h
52 SLCUT2777 : These clearly were also contributing factors to the downfall of AQ. With Mesa and Go in such a precarious situation with litigation and finances also
53 Post contains links Dsuairptman : http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=6889 Here is the proof. Sorry if this link was already posted.
54 Ikramerica : Yes. Why is AQ that vital to Hawaii? HA and go! will take up interisland slack, and other carriers will take up mainland slack. It's a sad day for Ha
55 Luv2fly : You do hate to see any carrier leave the sky and for employees to lose there job and means of surviveal. Though in this enveroment it most likely will
56 Orion737 : The State of Hawai should act to allow AQ to keep flying, safeguarding jobs and continuing to allow the airline to trade.
57 NA747 : On 27MAR, AA sent out a msg to employees discouraging non-rev travel to Hawaii due to "possible travel disruptions by another carrier". Evidently they
58 UA2162 : I just got off the phone with a friend who works at KOA contract services. Here is what was said. Keep in mind this isn't confirmed and that things ca
59 Post contains images Rampart : I'll bet WN knew before we did. At least not from this web community. Sad indeed. How many of you had Aloha Airlines as part of their honeymoons? I h
60 National757 : Why should they have subsidized a money losing operation? The events of today are unfortunate but let the free market work instead of wasting taxpaye
61 Dsuairptman : Dude, You need to grow up. It's one thing to be upset over a business shut down, especially if your an employee. But to attempting to cry over some 7
62 AAH732UAL : Aw u beat me to it, very sad! Boycott Mesa!
63 Post contains links HNLtrades118 : Good point, I totally forgot about those charters. Thanks. http://www.hawaiianair.com/Aboutus/Pages/AlohaAssistance.aspx I also found this on the HA
64 Post contains links and images HA_DC9 : Information from HA for affected AQ passengers: http://www.hawaiianair.com/Aboutus/Pages/AlohaAssistance.aspx Best wishes to all the AQ employees and
65 Post contains images Commavia : Yeah, it's nice to see that it looks like HA is proactively working not only directly with passengers but also with whats left of AQ to do the best t
66 OzarkD9S : Sad day. Flew AQ a few times in the 70's (when the code was still TS I think...dating myself). Flower power scheme, the 737-200 were just a few years
67 KcrwFlyer : Quit whining. If a few crjs can run your whole airline completely out of business, whats that say about your business plan? Those "heavenly" 732s bur
68 UA2162 : Kudos for HA! They have lowered the price of all interisland flights to $49 and offering free standby travel to pax holding an AQ ticket. Very nice to
69 A330323X : That's correct, as I mentioned in the other thread.
70 Ikramerica : BTW, while it sucks for the AQ employees, if HA are increasing interisland, go! is flying over more CRJs, and AQ handling is being shifted to other su
71 MCOflyer : All A-Net members, I would like to call a moment of silence on the 31st. I think this appropriate as we are about to lose one great airline. Aloha Cre
72 EYFlyer88 : From The Aloha Website: "Unfortunately, unfair competition has succeeded in driving us out of business, bringing to an end a 61-year-old company with
73 PGNCS : I have no personal stake in this, but I do hate to see an airline this old close its doors, and I hate to see what it will do to the former employees
74 Socalatc : I'm sure you are wrong, since they just gave up slots when they discontinued their OAK service. I am sad to see AQ go. I thought it was a great littl
75 Post contains links Capitol8s : ALOHA AIRLINES TO SHUT DOWN PASSENGER OPERATIONS AFTER MARCH 31, 2008, ENDING A 61-YEAR TRADITION OF SERVICE TO HAWAII HONOLULU – Aloha Airlines anno
76 Mke717spotter : So there's no chance for miracle to happen that keeps AQ flying?! Nothing could be done at this very moment to help?
77 T prop : Maybe UA will send some 735's out here and set up shop. They were looking to buy AQ a few weeks ago...
78 Ha763 : HA has at least one spare 767 at HNL everyday. On some days, there are 2 767s parked along Elliott Street in the afternoon. After seeing the earlier
79 ERAUgrad02 : Could UA run a carrier in the islands?
80 T prop : They wanted to do it back in the 90's, they have a presence on every major island. Why not?
81 Post contains images FRNT787 : There objective was to establish an airline subsidiary in Hawaii. As has been said by others, if a new airline that is bleeding money left and right
82 Ikramerica : UA could based on connections and "multi-city" vacation routings alone. Not a lot of frequencies, but key ones. If they also picked up local good wil
83 FriendlySkies : UA COULD do it, but would it be economical? If AQ couldn't hold it together, what's to say UA would, especially with 20 year old 737s that don't perf
84 TVNWZ : This is from the same release: "“This is an incredibly dark day for Hawaii,” said David A. Banmiller, Aloha’s president and chief executive office
85 Ikramerica : The same reason Mesa was able to keep go! afloat. It's not their only business. Just part of it. For UA, they were shunting pax onto AQ anyway.
86 Post contains images UnitedTristar : How many others think that Mesa/Go! will be knocking on United's door to operate Go! as United Express now? -m
87 Crjflyer35 : Though I've never flown Aloha, it's sad to see them shut down. There was a flyer in the breakroom here in PHX asking for rampers from my airline (HP/U
88 XJETFlyer : I hate to say it, but AQ has no one to blame but themselves! Everyone wants to say how they were ran out of business. Business is business folks. The
89 A380US : Very fast and really sad Hopefully some miracle can some how come back.
90 T prop : How about UA setting up their own operation and telling Mesa to leave town?
91 7673mech : They should blame GO! The airline that has been proven in court to have received Hawaiian and Aloha's financial records under false pretenses. I hope
92 FreequentFlier : Just out of curiousity, AQ listed the cessation of trans-Pacific flights as well. Where did AQ fly trans-Pac to?
93 MAH4546 : Las Vegas, Oakland, Orange County, Reno, Sacramento, and San Diego.
94 MCOflyer : So Cal destinations and Vegas I believe. someone correct me if I wrong. Hunter
95 PSA53 : Very upsetting news.Knowing soaring fuel costs,I'm afraid Aloha won't be the last to fold and merger mania will begin in the transportation industry a
96 AirframeAS : Why can't HA do that on their own in terms of trying to drive GO! out of the State of Hawaii?
97 CALPilot : Yes, J.O. and the people that work for him are happy.
98 FriendlySkies : And Go! is losing money. I don't think starting a money-losing endeavour in a very competitive market is really in UA's best interests right now...as
99 FreequentFlier : Oh woops, for some reason I always associate trans-Pac service with service to Asia, but certainly Hawaii to the mainland is trans-Pac! My bad! Nonet
100 HNL-Jack : I believe HA will supplement inter-island service with 767's temporarily. Expect them to add three to four additional 717's quickly, before go! or oth
101 Bennett123 : IMO the B737-200C will prob go to Northern Air Freight, the B737-700 to WN and the B737-800 back to Transavia. The position of the other B737-200 look
102 Jkudall : Sad news indeed. I'm just glad I have had the pleasure of flying with them on several occasions. I will miss them. How many 717's are lying around unu
103 Post contains links Bicoastal : Helping Aloha customers from United Airlines' website: http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,52609,00.html
104 Post contains images Trintocan : A very sad day today will be. I have never flown on AQ or even seen any of their planes in real life but I have heard a lot about them and that they h
105 Davidlc3 : There is now available prime real estate in the Interisland Terminal - a fabulous FF club and hundreds of excellent employees available to anyone that
106 MCOflyer : Not a lot. If i recall right there are some in Australia and/or Asia. Hunter
107 KcrwFlyer : What good does it do Mesa to start an airline, simply to run another airline (whom they previously did not compete with) out of business? Its a sad s
108 Kanebear : No announcement in Sabre but they're zeroing things out.[Edited 2008-03-30 16:45:10]
109 Post contains images Clipper707 : I was able to fly on a AQ 732 HNL-LIH 03/09/08, The old a/c looked new and the service was great. It's really sad that after 61 years, the airline has
110 Post contains links Kalakaua : Well, Aloha wasn't all about business... http://www.spiritofaloha.com/message/0702/message.html You know that pilot pictured in that article? If I ha
111 Davidlc3 : IIRC Island Air had big growth plans before Go arrived on the scene - they had just repainted their fleet and were bringing addition a/c in...do they
112 Commavia : I doubt any mainland carrier is going to want to come into this below-cost ultra-low-fare free-for-all. There's just no need to set up an isolated op
113 Bennett123 : Given that they do not operate B737-200's at present, I do not see HA or GO taking them. Also if they are not hushkitted, then presumably the US/EU re
114 Commavia : Agreed. The passenger 732s are probably goners. Hopefully the State of Hawaii or some aviation museum or private charity or something can arrange to
115 Pohakuloa : i think it is possible, but knowing the way that people look at things, it is pretty unlikely. If it does happen the frequency should not be nearly a
116 ThreeIfByAir : Not economical - 735s are poorly suited to the ultra-short haul routes that are the core of inter-island flying. Their CFM56s do not perform as well
117 XJETFlyer : No one arguing with you on the fact that they were nice. But like I tell my employee's, We are in business and our competition is the Python trying t
118 Commavia : Ironic, isn't it? Hawaiian originally had 13 717s but later got rid of 2 of them because of over-capacity in the inter-island market. Those 717s sure
119 Davidlc3 : Fully agree - I have heard great things about the Q400 and it seems to be a great choice for the islands... Can someone with much more knowledge than
120 Post contains links and images KPDX : There goes more 737-200's! View Large View MediumPhoto © Je89 W. RIP Aloha Airlines (pax anyways )
121 Pohakuloa : i remember someone saying on another thread that an asian carrier who operated 717's was going under and would be looking to distribute their planes
122 FlyMD : Maybe I don't get it. What is it that Go! did that makes them so hated?. There are dozens of examples in aviation history of airlines artificially low
123 HBIHLtoEZE : That's a sad day indeed. Mahalo Aloha for fond memories aboard their 73Gs and, above all, the 737-200s... good luck to all of the employees... cheers
124 Kalakaua : Well, business is conducted very differently in Hawaii, and that is what I was trying to emphasize. I'm sure that AQ went on the defensive... Too bad
125 Post contains links and images SXDFC : Could Hawaiian take the 73NGs and AQ's crews and use them for flights to AQ did? Its a a sad day indeed and my heart goes out to the employees of AQ!
126 Post contains images CitrusCritter : I just assembled one of those models. I ordered it last week when the BK news came out, as I didn't want to miss out on a chance to have one. Very sa
127 Mav75 : At the risk of sounding unprofessional and immature, I hope J.O. rots in hell. If I worked for him I would feel like I sold my soul to the devil for a
128 SLCUT2777 : Besides the competitiveness that GO! brought to the inter-island air service, I think part of the issue here as well is the continued building of main
129 Ikramerica : Of course you are right. But no, it is not actually true free market competition when a new entrant into a market is there solely to destroy another
130 Peteg913 : Lucky for me; I just flew them yesterday.
131 United_Fan : That's a damn shame..my heart goes out to all who will lose their jobs. Damn shame...
132 LawnDart : Gee, ANCFlyer, have a heart...did you ever stop to think that the economic situation of the company they worked for was weighing heavily on the Aloha
133 Imapilotaz : How does this have anything to do with go! or Mesa employees? They are trying to pay the bills, provide food for their families just like AQ employee
134 HNL-Jack : I'm no fan of go! However, they are not entirely to blame for the demise of AQ. HA was faced with the same pressures, the same fare games, etc. and wh
135 F9Animal : Oh man, this is awful news. The website on Aloha clearly blames unfair competition for this happening, and I would venture that GO! is the responsibl
136 Leothedog : This really, really sucks!! I've been charging everything on my Chase/United card to build points to get tickets to Maui. I now HAD enough for 3 out o
137 Mke717spotter : Would it of worked if say, UA and a group of investors bought out the company and took it private? I'm thinking of something along the lines of NW/YX.
138 Post contains images F9Animal : The next fear I have is for HA. I hope GO! does not knock them down like AQ. Hopefully AQ will win a huge lawsuit and get back in the air. But, sadly,
139 RJ777 : That's what I was thinking. Maybe United can open up a focus city, use 737's for inter-island, wide bodies for trans-pac and flights from Hawaii to J
140 UA2162 : Just came across this again. Some of the dear people I worked with at AQ are in it: It's even sadder when you have the faces of the people who are now
141 Leothedog : That video is really sad. We've flown Aloha a number of times now from SMF to OGG. What a great way to go! Now, well... My heart goes out to all the
142 Commavia : Hawaiian will be fine, now. Sadly - in a way - this will actually be a huge boost to Hawaiian. They will now largely have the interisland market to t
143 Post contains links LAXintl : Apparently United was on talks with Aloha a couple weeks ago, however when they broke down AQ filed for Ch11 shortly afterwards. I believe this quote
144 N737MC : This is really sad news for the airline industry. I wish the best for those employees involved the best and hope you can keep your Airline Dreams Aliv
145 AirportGuy1971 : Has any airline ever come back once they shut down? I believe CO did once, but I may be mis-remembering things.
146 Catiii : I agree with IKRAmerica; seems like a good opportunity for WN to entrench in Hawaii. Seems tailor made for their kind of operation.
147 Davidlc3 : Most recent was MIdway Pan Am (2 or 3 times) Braniff (in name only)
148 Commavia : Continental went bankrupt twice, first in 1983, and then again in 1990. However, in neither case did the airline actually shut down and cease to oper
149 Iloveboeing : Maybe WN could make a move for AQ's assets (73Gs and routes). They've wanted more access to Hawaii (and even though they have some with ATA), they co
150 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : And here I was looking forward to going to HNL again this summer and enjoying watching those 737-200s climb away while relaxing on Waikiki and watchin
151 F9Animal : A great tribute of the airline. I really feel like we lost a part of the family here. I never had the chance to fly on them, and sadly it looks like
152 FreequentFlier : I expect this is not the last of airline bankruptcies and liquidations. With oil being $110/barrel right now, we could see one or more smaller carrier
153 Davidlc3 : I feel very badly for the folks at AQ....I had a few friends there and enjoyed my short time working with them on a few projects. However, I must say
154 Post contains links Viscount724 : Swissair grounded all their flights on October 2, 2001 (just 3 weeks after 9/11) when they ran out of cash to pay for fuel and other operating expens
155 T prop : Well they were interested in buying AQ, they compete with HA on some mainland routes so I don't think they'd work with them. Mesa doesn't have enough
156 727forever : He was stating his opinion as you have stated yours. This is what these forums are for. Perhaps you could cut him some slack. I too am sad to see AQ
157 F9Animal : I think 08 will be a very rough one due to the fuel. But, many airlines are combating the increase of fuel by charging for a second bag, and raising
158 T prop : One more thing AQ did contract service for Island Air in OGG, LIH, ITO and KOA. I wonder what Island Air will do?
159 Hawaiian717 : Sun Country comes to mind. Contract services is supposed to continue.
160 Post contains images Davidlc3 : Here is a fun question... WHY did AQ and HA (and every airline for that matter) feel they HAD to match the fares on every seat, every day? GO brought
161 Post contains images Superfly : I read this with great sadness. I really liked my experience on Aloha Airlines / Island Air intra-Hawaii service. I will miss their 737-200s as well.
162 Jasp25 : I hate to see this airline go. I flew with them last July on LAS-OAK-LAS flights and it was one of the best flight experiences I had! I sympathize wit
163 AAH732UAL : B/C UAL does not fly 15 legs of no more then 240NM each and ever day. The CFM is not made for that abuse. that is why the NGs where used only as Conn
164 T prop : Because go!s planes would be full causing them to bring in more or bigger planes and if you still didn't match fares their fares, the planes they bro
165 Post contains links Davidlc3 : Just read an article http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacif.../2008/03/24/daily54.html?ana=yfcpc HA offered $5M to buy the company, keep it flying and k
166 T prop : What jet is made for that kind of work then? What's an AAH plane?
167 AAH732UAL : AAH is the ICAO for AQ. The 732 is made for that type of abuse. The CFM engines can't handle that sorta stuff.
168 FriendlySkies : AQ flies 737-200s, who's JT-8Ds perform much more robustly under the harsh conditions (quick turns, short flight times, several daily cycles) that is
169 T prop : Once AQ is gone no one can use 732's unless they put hushkits on them, AQ studied that and determined with the cost and performance loss it wouldn't
170 Davidlc3 : Is there another engine like the Rollies on the 717 that can bear the brunt?
171 AAH732UAL : The AQ 732 I think have Hushers on them. Also, AQs(AAH) 732s will just be left to death. So what I said, is if someone creates an airline in the next
172 T prop : You are right that the 732 and the JT8's are the most suited to that kind of abuse but AQ's 732's don't have hushkits, I've had the pleasure of liste
173 AAH732UAL : Aw ok. Well I guess that market it better served for something of a E-170 or something then I think if the 732 can't be used!
174 Post contains images EA CO AS : I think this says it all...
175 F9Animal : I would think the E170 and E190 would be a good fit for it. Perhaps HA can work something out tomorrow to keep AQ flying. I still think HA and AQ wou
176 Rj777 : I wonder if SRB is seeing this and is thinking up "Virgin Hawaii"?
177 MeanGreen : I feel really bad for everyone at AQ. I hope everyone does alright in the future. Sadly I think this is the way America is going. It seems like the on
178 HNL-Jack : I seriously doubt it. The cost of operating in Hawaii combined with low yields on the interisland services will make it difficult for anyone to consi
179 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : I completely agree here. When the old airlines that have built character are forced to shut down to make way for faceless, superficial, plastic airli
180 Post contains images HorizonGirl : I agree completely. And the fact that it was not Go! that ceased operations but Aloha is infuriating. Who in their right mind would take a CRJ over a
181 Hawaiian717 : Not that many people, actually. Go's loads have been rather mediocre.
182 Asteriskceo : FU** Go! and F*CK Mesa Air Group. The really sad thing is that even the locals don't realize what they have lost. I just told my mom's friend who live
183 WestJetYQQ : W.T.F?
184 Post contains links LAXintl : Mesa is near doubling its go! operation effective April 1st to provide needed lift in the market. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080331/lam099.html?.v=10
185 Milesrich : This was posted on the Aloha Site at the end of the message: Unfortunately, unfair competition has succeeded in driving us out of business, bringing t
186 Flighty : This is very sad. It's very interesting because predatory pricing rarely kills airlines. It is considered a fantasy concept. But here, Mesa clearly in
187 Post contains images Lightsaber : Goodbye to an airline that will be missed. Almost... Reading through the large number of posts, there is a chance demand can be met. Using the 767's o
188 HNL-Jack : I would add AS to that list.
189 UA772IAD : Doubtful considering the cargo division is for sale as well (according to one of those articles/links). Plus, AQ is competing with FedEx and UPS who
190 SpencerII : I cannot see UA sending UA metal to Hawaii for this. However they might convince OO to do it--you know they have some EMB120's being pulled out of Mo
191 Post contains links HA_DC9 : I think this is a great article that sheds more light into the saga. If I was AQ, I would have taken the HA offer. Seems to me AQ's top management sn
192 UA772IAD : Frankly, neither do I. I was agreeing with his point that it is possible, and UA is realistically probably the only legacy that start up operation, b
193 Imapilotaz : I think its funny that go!'s press release states that all seats will be $49 and all those extra sections will be scheduled. Apparently go! hasnt gott
194 JayDub : Please don't give them any ideas...
195 Post contains links and images SAN787 : (cell phone quality, nonetheless) This is the last ever Aloha Airlines flight to land in San Diego. Arrived at 10:10PST as Aloha 476, OGG-SAN. http://
196 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I call 'em like I see 'em. Go read my profile . . .I'm a cop, I'm in the public light ALL day long.
197 HAL : Here's two cents worth from an HA employee. I hate to see AQ fold. They have a lot of history in the islands, and thousands of dedicated employees wor
198 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Absolutely terrible news. My heart really goes out to all the dedicated employees of Aloha Airlines. Having had the privilege of working with Aloha h
199 SAN787 : I shall correct myself, Aloha 4852 (Lihue-San Diego) arrived just after 476 from OGG. Wishing the best for all affected!!
200 Post contains images Aloha73G : I just bought tickets for myself, my dad and my grandma to fly to Maui tomorrow evening (AQ 228) and return to HNL on AQ 261 which should be Aloha's l
201 HNL-Jack : Banmiller once again places more importance on his arrogant ego than the well being of the company. How many different airlines has he led to the same
202 LASOctoberB6 : Would someone love to enlighten me on how Go! practiced ? I didn't know it was that bad until AQ filed for that one chapter.. I just don't know enough
203 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : So the age old question has been answered: NW DC-9s outlasted AQ's 732s Though I am sorry to see them go. My first ever 737 flight was with them KOA-H
204 Pohakuloa : i think alot of our island residents can agree that regardless how much go! is/was responsible for the loss of AQ, it started a long time ago. When mo
205 Post contains links UA76Heavy : Such a sad day in Hawai'i. Here's a link to KITV news with story and videos. http://www.kitv.com/money/15746095/detail.html
206 Je89_w : Very sad news for Hawaii. Being part of their explorer program a few years back, I was fortunate to learn more about the airline industry and what "al
207 Aloha73G : Apparently AQ's (former) owners, led by billionaire Ron Burkle's Yucaipa Group are proceeding with the lawsuit against Mesa. Apparently they believe t
208 DeltaJet757 : Man am I going to miss Aloha. They always had good deals out of OAK. I'm going to miss the classic 732's. I, from now on refuse to fly GO! and as for
209 Post contains images UA2162 : Good question. I forgot about this. Any information on this? Yes but at the same time, no. As far as KOA: JL has already left for UA; AA has chosen H
210 Aloha73G : According to Aloha, the Contract Services operation will continue as there are interested buyers, just as AQ Cargo will continue to operate. Atleast t
211 SkyguyB727 : I am traveling to Hawaii on Wednesday. I was stunned to see the news of the AQ shutdown tonight. It truly is sad news for AQ staff and for the entire
212 Pilatus : Hello, I can't believe Aloha is down. I have booked a Vacation-Package with Aloha for August, with hotels and inter-island flights with AQ. I guess th
213 Aloha73G : Looks like HA will be operating a 767 on HNL-OGG The flight numbers are 12XX, while the extra 717 flights are 11XX The seat maps on hawaiianair.com lo
214 Mariner : Congrats. You may be the first person in this thread touch on his history. mariner
215 Post contains links and images Aloha717200 : http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...?AID=/20080330/BREAKING01/80330070 Lingle asks court to delay Aloha passenger service shutdown I fear this may
216 Nzrich : My best wishes to all of Aloha's staff !!! Good luck for the future ..
217 Orion737 : I shed a tear. me over sentimental and on the other side of the world. I cannot believe the politicials and goverment of Hawai allowed a predator like
218 Orion737 : Also I feel the people of Hawai should have shown Go! the door from the start and supported Aloha who had given them a choice. their only choice for m
219 LTBEWR : Another sad victim of a discounter airlines hurting a mainline. I assume from today it will be a mess for any one getting around as well as to/from Ha
220 Smeg : I am as sad as anyone to see the demise of Aloha. However, I am also surprised at some of the comments here. This is indicative of the WalMart/Tesco
221 Orion737 : After virtually murdering Aloha, will the people of hawai continue to fly this airline?? Talk about jumping in the grave!!
222 Post contains images Smeg : Couldn't agree more!!!!!!
223 Post contains images Curticool : So Sad!!! All employees of Aloha Good Luck, on any road life takes you after this, this is very sad. -Curticool Another passing of a great airline do
224 REALDEAL : so what's happening to their fleet ? Older 732's to scrap heap, but don't they have some 737-700's or -800's ?
225 Syncmaster : For those of us who aren't familiar with his past dealings, do you care to elaborate? It will be very sad to see Aloha go after all of these years, I
226 HAL : Back to the lessors for the -700's and -800, and eventually on to another airline or two. I don't think the 732's will ever leave Oahu again though -
227 APFPilot1985 : Why should the consumer have any shame over choosing the best deal? What if they were able to visit family because GO! was cheaper than AQ or HA that
228 Watchandlearn : Really horrible news for AQ employees...they've now lost everything: their paychecks, insurance, and pass privileges.
229 Koruman : Firstly, my sympathies to all affected staff and passengers. Good luck. I do understand why the new generation 737 can't do these flights, but what a
230 SpencerII : This is so true, and even in this current bankrptcy, Banmiller would rather let the entire operation die, than take a total of $18 million ($5 millio
231 B757capt : " target=_blank>http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080331/l...v=101 Thats was quick and convenient. Where are they getting the extra aircraft from?
232 Galapagapop : So sad have flown that flight twice in the past and the service was exceptional outside being on a 73G. In fact was just walking past the AQ counters
233 PHLBOS : Excellent idea for N823AL (the one painted in the classic 1969 livery). IIRC, those 2 planes ultimately went to FL. As stated earlier, the only addit
234 WhatUsaid : As another who has flown Aloha many times, I agree, today is a sad day for Hawaii and for the airline history. Granted go! was a factor, however, anyo
235 Post contains images AAH732UAL : I guess according o my mom that the SEA company did in-fact buy the Cargo part last night. So it is still something but not much
236 Luv2fly : Well said, the bottom line is even with FF programs and other loyalty schemes there is no loyalty anymore. Considering the bankrupt carriers he has b
237 Av8tor : I hope all the cheap folks who chose to ride on GO! enjoy their cosy rjs and their "wonderful" Mesa experience. In my opinion, you get what you pay fo
238 Davidlc3 : Unfortunately this is the typical consumer mentality....very short sighted. Not sure how old you are but for those of us that are old enough to remem
239 HNL-Jack : You can Google David A. Banmiller and learn more, but to name a few of his past "success's" Pan Am, Air Jamaica and Sun Country.
240 Post contains images Ikramerica : Not really. Walmart comes into a market with a store. They provide more options in one place, and do it at lower prices due to buying power and econo
241 APFPilot1985 : I still get that,l but that is because I chose to pay more for it. It's called a free economy, people chose what they want to pay for what they get.
242 Caspritz78 : Very sad. Aloha was truly unique.
243 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : In this industry, people take EVERYTHING for granted. Tradition means nothing anymore. Everybody is always interested in how they can keep more greenb
244 UA2162 : This from WP's website: "If you are departing on an Island Air flight out of Kahului (Maui), Kona, Hilo, or Lihue, please check in at Hawaiian Airlin
245 NW748i : They were taking the blame at least a week ago. If the case for predatory pricing is as strong as at it looks to me, the fact that they were losing m
246 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 :
247 Laxintl : Banmiller was also the boss at AirCal when it got sold to AA, and president of short lived Sunjet also.
248 HNL-Jack : This may not help everyone, but AS will be in Hawaii April 15th hiring flight attendants. "Alaska Airlines is hiring for Flight Attendants in Hawaii!
249 Post contains images Smeg : I was not comparing the business model of the two companies, I was trying to compare the idea of consumer choice for financial or emotional reasons.
250 AeroWeanie : Whew! I rode them Kauai to Maui on March 11th and Maui to Honolulu on March 16th. Both flights were on 737-200s.
251 VictorKilo : A few questions: With AQ winding down passenger ops, is it expected that the AQ cert will be sold along with the Cargo division, or just the aircraft?
252 CitrusCritter : Most likely they would need to be reconfigured, even any can be even be sourced. HA uses 2 rows of domestic F (8 seats) and 23 rows of Y (115 seats)
253 Dacman : I will miss seeing the Aloha 737NGs at SNA, they certainly brightened up the place with their lovely livery. Being an airline employee myself my heart
254 B767400ER : Aloha Airlines was my first job when I moved to Hawaii for college and in fact was my first job, even though it was a paid internship. The employees o
255 Faustino927 : As an ex-F/A for Pan American Airways I know exactly what those poor employees are going through. When Pan Am closed, eventhough we saw it coming, it
256 Post contains images MrCoffee : Really sad to see an airline go, especially one with a lot of history. Only got to fly them R/T twice, and both times, it wasn't even in Hawaii. Took
257 Jrpreston : Any idea on whether or not someone will step in and pick up the SNA-OGG, SNA-LIH, and/or SNA-HNL flights? I manged three or four hops on the SNA-OGG r
258 Post contains links and images FlyDeltaJets87 : I haven't felt this sad about one day in aviation since October 24, 2003. The beautiful classics will be missed. So long Aloha. I truly enjoyed my exp
259 PHLBOS : Pardon my ignorance, but what happened during that date?
260 Highflier92660 : As I drove by SNA 40 minutes ago an Aloha 737-700 was just touching down. Flightaware show it as AQ481 an inbound from RNO with an outbound to HNL at
261 FlyDeltaJets87 : The Concorde ceased commercial operations.
262 Aloha73G : The last flight should be AQ 261 departing OGG at 10:00pm HST, scheduled to arrive HNL at 10:34pm. I have a ticket to be on it.... -Aloha!
263 SFO2SVO : How long would it take to install additional fuel tanks for the ferry? I think there was a photo in the DB of one of the existing HA's 717s with the
264 Mke717spotter : You gonna write a trip report? I haven't really seen any AQ trip reports on A.net, so it'd be good to see the last flight. I know since its dark it'l
265 Post contains images Aloha73G : I'm gonna try, but its going to be a sad night -Aloha!
266 Post contains links and images HAL : Although noisy, those 732's were fun to look at. I managed to get my first photo in years added to a.net of an AQ 732 at the gate while waiting for a
267 Surfrider1978 : are other airlines utilizing larger planes to add capacity. im flying APR 12 on ATA from LA-HNL and wondering if TZ will swap my 738 to a dc10 or bett
268 Aloha73G : My guess would be no. April/May are slower periods for tourism, so the empty seats on various airlines should be enough to cover the gap left by Aloh
269 Post contains links Je89_w : Even if there was an increase in traffic like the winter seasons, there's no luck on getting the DC-10s or L-1011s anymore. See reply 12 in ATA DC10
270 Dacman : The last Aloha flight out of SNA departed at about 13:55. I was just walking into work when I saw her rolling for takeoff on Rwy 19R. I am told that t
271 BRUNOatBHX : I used Aloha during my last holiday to Hawai'i. Very fond memories, a great shame
272 Post contains links and images UA2162 : Well, it's really over. This just in... Fair use expert: " A federal bankruptcy judge said Monday he will not stop Aloha Airlines from going out of bu
273 Hawaiian717 : Hawaiian also has just a small forward galley and a single rear lavatory as their flights are so short, so that allows additional room for seats whil
274 Post contains images Aloha717200 :
275 HNL-Jack : The news this evening is full of tearful eyes and memories of times past. And, while the airline won't survive the memories will. Like most business's
276 Post contains images RJ777 : "Aloha Oe, Aloha Oe, until we meet again" Truly a sad day in aviation!
277 Pohakuloa : I guess it is now official. Aloha Airlines (AQ) 1946-2008 Rest In Peace Old Friend ~Pohaku
278 IFlyTWA : Farewell Aloha. Best of luck to all of the employees.
279 Aloha73G : Just got back from the last AQ flight. It was a fun, sad, emotional evening. A full trip report will be coming soon. I still can't believe its actuall
280 Vfw614 : My excuses for asking this rather technical question at this point, but: Where will 15 or so Boeing 737s be stored on the islands? I assume they will
281 Pohakuloa : they could be stored on some of the ramp space on the northeast corner of the airport or maybe they might do like they did with the northwest birds w
282 Aloha717200 : Actually it's not a very large number of aircraft. It's about 10 airframes, give or take, since the Cargo operation is still flying. There is plenty
283 Rj777 : What about the 737-700's?
284 Vfw614 : The -700s are leased. I guess they will be flown out for storage at a storage facility asap by the lessor.
285 Post contains images CitrusCritter : That explains why the pitch is the same. I was wondering about that, but didn't notice the lack of the forward lavatory on HA. I'd rather fly a 717 w
286 TN757Flyer : Phew, I read through all 285 posts, just to make my first ever. I've been reading here for years and finally decided to make the plunge. It is indeed
287 Rj777 : I think that Aloha had such a good image and was loved by so many people (both passengers and employees alike) that's what's making this one even hard
288 Post contains links SABE : Looks like there's still one plane in the air: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAH927 Good bye Aloha, you will be missed!
289 NW748i : Good luck to all the folks at AQ! Also, I recall a post (which I cannot now find) that mentioned maybe three other regionals that have ceased ops over
290 PHLBOS : Hindsight being 20-20, but maybe AQ should've given the 717 a look (did they?) when HA was getting them; especially if their old 732s were leased (as
291 BlueFlyer : That's a cargo flight. Cargo operations haven't ceased since they're probably going to be sold. Cargo flight numbers are 9XX.
292 AJMIA : What a beautiful tribute to AQ and your career with them. I know it must have been a sad trip, but I am sure your father and grandmother were very pr
293 Cubsrule : That the 73G essentially cannot operate interisland? I'm not sure what the end goal is for YV, though. With the CASM of a CRJ what it is (and $100/bb
294 HNL-Jack : And, that competition will even be more severe for YV than it was prior to the end of AQ. HA is moving quickly to deliver the death blow to YV. HA wi
295 Aloha73G : I didn't work for Aloha, I was there as a fan. When we were deplaning into the mob of supporters at HNL a reporter asked my Grandma, 83, how long she
296 TN757Flyer : As has been posted in another thread (I'm not going to spend time looking it up), the engine types used (at least on AQ's) 73G's were not considered
297 Post contains images F9Animal : Just imagine the emotions of the flight crew. I could not imagine lining up for the runway, knowing this would be your last time flying for this airl
298 Aloha73G : To quote one of the AQ employees who spoke onboard the final flight, "To everyone out there, and you can quote me on this...please fly Hawaiian Airli
299 BayAreaBlue : Did anyone happen to listen in to HNL ATC or Tower when 261 landed last night?
300 AJMIA : You guys were fortunate to be there on such a sad day. I have been lucky enough to visit Hawaii five times. It is hard to imagine the islands without
301 Post contains links Srbmod : Please continue the discussion here: Aloha Airlines Ceases Ops Part Two. (by Srbmod Apr 1 2008 in Civil Aviation)
302 A342 : I'm no expert either, but maybe the MD80 engines could also handle interisland flying. On top of that, MD80s are very cheap to acquire. Any opinions?
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