FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7312 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 21514 times:
Quoting LuvJetFuel (Thread starter): i happened to look out of my window at home and saw an Air France boeing 777-200ER coming into Heathrow , any explanations ?
Get ready to see it everyday : AF is now operating (since yesterday) a daily LHR-AX-LHR, AF060/AF061.
DiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 21139 times:
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15722 posts, RR: 47 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 21027 times:
For the moment, the crews are are flying to LHR as passengers (on AF1680), sleep in London, and do on duty LHR-LAX the next day. They come back to LHR 3 days after, sleep again in London, and return to CDG as passengers on AF1481.
Air France is currently negotiating with the F/A Unions the conditions for the crews to operate, like the plane does, CDG-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-CDG, on a 9 days trip.
Eaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 956 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 20745 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
For the moment, the crews are are flying to LHR as passengers (on AF1680), sleep in London, and do on duty LHR-LAX the next day. They come back to LHR 3 days after, sleep again in London, and return to CDG as passengers on AF1481.
Air France is currently negotiating with the F/A Unions the conditions for the crews to operate, like the plane does, CDG-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-CDG, on a 9 days trip.
How can it be a 9 day trip. What is it exactly that you mean.
LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 20635 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10): Air France is currently negotiating with the F/A Unions the conditions for the crews to operate, like the plane does, CDG-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-CDG, on a 9 days trip.
Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 11): How can it be a 9 day trip. What is it exactly that you mean.
Day 1 - CDG-LAX
Day 2 - Rest day LAX
Day 3 - LAX-LHR (Arrive Day 4)
Day 4 - Rest day in LHR
Day 5 - LHR-LAX
Day 6 - Rest day LAX
Day 7 - LAX-CDG (Arrive Day 8)
Yup, i'm not getting a 9-day trip either, even with the longer slips in LAX. How is it a 9 day trip then?
Dennys From France, joined May 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 20575 times:
I am glad for the Londonner spotters to see AF 772 . Anyway I remember AF used to send some unsual birds to LHR such as 707s , 70F , 747s , 74F . In the contrary , we had no chances to see any BA 707s , VC10s or 747s in PAR , like FRA ZRH FCO !!! ( Old BOACs Routes)
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20375 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10): Air France is currently negotiating with the F/A Unions the conditions for the crews to operate, like the plane does, CDG-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-LAX, LAX-CDG, on a 9 days trip.
Doesn't it make more sense to fly crews from CDG to LHR? Or to "Eurostar" them? My
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5153 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20235 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 15): Doesn't it make more sense to fly crews from CDG to LHR? Or to "Eurostar" them? My
Probably fly them..they can just be cargo and they will be close to the hotel where they will stay to begin with. with h train....they have to pay the ticket, and transfer them to LHR
So what are the loads like on this flight right now?
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14556 times:
I think AF does a similar style operation for PPT on an A340-300. CDG-LAX-PPT-LAX-PPT-LAX-PPT-LAX-PPT-LAX-CDG.
Looks like the LAX-LHR will be a single rotation though... CDG-LAX-LHR-LAX-CDG. They could have done what they do for PPT and have the aircraft rotate between LAX and CDG on a 1x weekly basis. (and do LAX-LHR-LAX-LHR-ect 7 times a week)
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10449 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13443 times:
And the good news is this flight goes no where near LHR's T5!
Misbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12943 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 19): Looks like the LAX-LHR will be a single rotation though... CDG-LAX-LHR-LAX-CDG. They could have done what they do for PPT and have the aircraft rotate between LAX and CDG on a 1x weekly basis. (and do LAX-LHR-LAX-LHR-ect 7 times a week)
The timing wouldn't work - at least not based on what they have scheduled now:
d CDG 15:55
a LAX 18:20
d LAX 20:25
a LHR 14:40
d LHR 17:00
a LAX 20:15
d LAX 23:15
a CDG 18:45
So that's a 2h05 turnaround in LAX and a 2h20 in LHR.
Also, that made me wonder... What does the 343 that does LAX-PPT-LAX do on the 3 days that route is not flown? Does she just hang out in California?
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12583 times:
Nobody seems to know anything about loads, which of course may be great but yields are what's most important. THey are coming into a very competitive market. Whilt its great to see a AF 777 at LHR, I personally dont see a long term success with the flight and would not be surprised to see it dumped in a years time or more likely, replaced with DL's own metal. Time will tell
Sailas From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2007, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12547 times:
wish id see a 777 flying to helsinki:D I think a 777 would work on the HEL ARN route if the route has already 21 flights a day.
Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK
Myk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12480 times:
I dont know the load, but it's important to say that AF is in a joint venture with Delta on the north Atlantic traffic. Therefore, they share the revenue. This is one of the reasons why this flight seems sustainable.
25 Anetter123: I wish AF the best in this route. When "open skys" was reached, I had no idea that AF could open such a route like this on such a slot restricted airp
26 Rivet42: ...have you just woken up from a 6-month sleep-in...??!! It is nice to see it flying over London on approach, but as I said in the other Open Skies t
27 Dennys: Should it be a 772 , go and shoot them as long as you can , the 772 , like the 343 will be the next ones to leave AF fleet ! dennys
28 BrightCedars: We will all agree that it is not actually "for free", if not just costing AF, there is also some potential lost revenue. So as suggested, it may be c
29 MAH4546: If this flight does well, I've been hearing that AF might look at adding LHR rotations from other markets that do not have a Skyteam pressence to LHR,
30 FlySSC: B744 & A343 are next to leave. The B777 is here to stay at least for another decade. For this week, the loads are 100% in Y, around 50% in J and 25%
31 CHRISBA777ER: I'd be very surprised if that were the case. The 744s will leave completely, then the A343s, and I should be surprised if AF dont have a load of 772E
32 SAAB900: Does anybody know if AF are planning on using the B777's on the internal Paris-Nice flights again this summer? I would love to try a B777 & this would
33 Scotland1979: AF gives 772 to BA since BA lost G-YMMM - repainted in Union Jack livery and re-registered into G-YMMQ Just kidding! [Edited 2008-04-02 05:31
34 VC10: It took me a little while to find the reference in my log book but here it is 18-03-75----Super VC-10 G-ASGE London-- Paris , on route to destination
35 CHRISBA777ER: And a very beautiful old girl she was (is). Still see them at BRZ sometimes when I'm up there - what a sound on takeoff! Them and the Tristars next t
36 Climb1: During the winter season of 1995 several of BA's first 777s were put on LHR-CDG routings i believe. "Q" lol. You mean just like the re-registered veh
37 FlySSC: July 4th & July 11th : AF6224 ORY-NCE & AF6249 NCE-ORY = B77W July 6th : AF6200 ORY-NCE & AF6249 NCE-ORY = B77W August 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th, 31st :
38 Scotland1979: You bet! eh! BA adds 'Q' in memory of AF A340 F-GLZ'Q'
39 FlySSC: Air France owns a lot of slots at LHR. AF is actually the non-British airline that own the highest number of slots at LHR.
40 MEA330: Hi FlySSC Are there any special service implications for the Cabin crew on the LHR-LAX flight. Do they have to be all VERY good english speakers? Do t
41 Goldorak: it's been a while now that AF does not "survive" (as you said) with the francophone communities around the world. AF planes are full of non-French pe
42 FlySSC: Do you really that the "Francophone communities" around the world justify 3 x Daily NRT, 2 x Daily PEK, 2 x Daily GIG, 2 x Daily GRU etc ... and make
43 Dennys: To SAAB900 : You have got the right answer , if you want to try the 77W ORY-NCE-ORY , book through www.airfrance.com ; the earliest you can book, the
45 SAAB900: FlySSC, thanks very much for the info. Looks like i will be getting my 1st B777 flight this summer! Dave(SAAB900)
46 Aircellist: I find this absolutely correct for the crews, but I am amazed that the plane could spend 3 days resting overseas... From this post: could a single ai
47 UAL747: Just a little interesting fact, When BA first received their 777's, they did practice revenue runs LHR-CDG, and perhaps LGW-CDG. I was fortunate to se
48 Viscount724: The plane doesn't spend that time resting. The crew does. The aircraft turns around right away and is operated by a crew that arrived a couple of day
49 Aircellist: Thanks, Viscount724; I had not understood "like the plane does" as meaning "same route only"...
50 American 767: Of course. They all have to be very good English speakers regardless of where they fly and who they work for. KL has a lot also, without counting AF.
51 LuvJetFuel: I looked it up like 10 minutes after i posted that , but thanks for making me sound like an idiot lol .. i love the fact that u can see Sia A380, Cont
52 Commavia: As others have said, AF is actually not at the top of the list of foreign airlines with the largest slot holdings at Heathrow. For this summer, 2008,
53 FlySSC: As you mentionned, the figures you give are weekly frequencies. It doesn't mean that the airline are using all the lots they holds. I still believe A
54 Commavia: Yeah, it pretty much does. I don't know of any airline that would own peak-time slots at Heathrow that wouldn't either use them or lease them out to
55 LHR27C: There are strict rules on slot usage at LHR and if an airline is found not be using slots they will be allocated to another airline.
56 Varig md-11: hahaha I especially the flight to NRT: huuuuuge Francophone community this is an old song that AF is "saved" by Francophones and monopoly flights to
57 Burnsie28: Seems silly to do that, if they were like US carriers it would be like this (NW does this a lot with A330 Flying) CDG-LAX (overnight) LAX-LHR (overni
58 FlySSC: Thanks God we are not a US carrier ! I can not imagine any European Crew accepting to do this. In any case, it is impossible, consideing the rules fo
59 MilesDependent: When do the BA Open Skies flights commence? I heard June 2008, but I cannot see any of their flights in the CRS. mD
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