Delta4eva From United States, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23666 times:
Can't post the link because it's an internal memo, but DL has announced publicly that it will introduce the Thompson Solutions Cozy Seat for international Y customers on the 777 and 767-300ER. DL will have exclusive rights in North America. Quite impressive!
Stitch From United States, joined Jul 2005, 14933 posts, RR: 63 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23643 times:
April Fools or not, that configuration has to be a serious PITA for the window or middle person to get in and out. I like the concept - a bit more privacy and easier to sleep - but without something like 38-40" pitch (ala a "Premium Economy")...
Bringiton From United States, joined Sep 2006, 784 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23615 times:
""""""""These are valuable increases given the continued growth in average passenger size (particularly US nationals) and the remaining lifespan of the current generation of aircraft.""""""""""
Delta4eva From United States, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23446 times:
Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 6): ok, will DL then finally put PTVs in Y onto the 763ERs if they change the cabin interior anyway? Or is that a typo and should say "767-400ER"?
No typo, according to the report it is the 777 and 767ER, which in Delta terms means 767-300ER. However, they could still install this type of seat without the PTVs.
MCOAviationFan From United States, joined exactly 2 years ago today! , 230 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23392 times:
DL plans to introduce the seat on the 767-300ER and 777 fleets in 2010. DL also will be the world launch customer for the seat and will have exclusive rights in North America.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 24603 posts, RR: 72 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23380 times:
Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 8): DL also will be the world launch customer for the seat and will have exclusive rights in North America.
Assuming this is not an April Fool's Joke, I find it very hard to believe that, if true, this company was stupid enough to give one airline "exclusive rights" in such a large market to a concept that might prove to be very successful and economical.
What we likely have is that Delta has exclusive rights for a limited period, for example maybe 12 months, like Chrysler's "exclusive right" to Sirius in-car TV for 12 months, or Ford's exclusive one-year right to Microsoft's SYNC.
Jetlanta From United States, joined Jul 2001, 1462 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23188 times:
I'll refer the boards to the comments made by several folks on here as Delta was maligned regarding the 767-300ER product. I know Alitalia744 and myself have been alluding to big all-encompassing 767ER changes for a while.
RwSEA From United States, joined Jan 2005, 2476 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 23169 times:
If this is true, then Kudos to DL. They'll have an awesome Y product once these go in.
The only thing that gives me pause is that the 764s have already been reconfigured with the "new" slimline seats. Does that mean yet another inconsistency on the international fleet?
SeansasLCY From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Mar 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23131 times:
Are there any pictures of this new seat? I can't seem to get the link to open.
MaverickM11 From United States, joined Apr 2000, 11279 posts, RR: 47 Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23106 times:
If so say goodbye to ever "having a row to yourself"
Jetlanta From United States, joined Jul 2001, 1462 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23172 times:
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 13): The only thing that gives me pause is that the 764s have already been reconfigured with the "new" slimline seats. Does that mean yet another inconsistency on the international fleet?
The 764's will get the new seats for sure. But the 763 refurb will take several years, so you will see those slimline seats for a while.
One thing to note...the reason DL is moving forward with this is the the configuration allows a COMFORTABLE 8 abreast cross-section on the 767, allowing the aircraft to add nearly 40 additional seats. If you dig deep into the Thompson Solutions website you will find more information on this. Including this:
The economics of this aircraft become phenomenal when you combine both Thompson products, as DL is planning on doing. On U.S.-Europe sectors, low ownership costs and high capacity will make the 767-300ER fleet very cost competitive with the 787. Hence, no 787 order from DL anytime soon.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13547 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23088 times:
Firstly, Kudos to Delta Air Lines and Thompson Solutions. I met Mr. Thompson in London in February 2008 and he said he had something up his sleeve with regards to the Cozy Suite in Hamburg - well here it is.
Aircraft interiors EXPO: Thompson cozies up to Delta
British design house Thompson Solutions has announced its new economy seat - the Cozy Suite. Delta Airlines will be launch customer for the offering and will roll out the product across its entire Boeing 767ER and 777 fleets starting in 2010. Delta has exclusive rights in North America.
MCOAviationFan From United States, joined exactly 2 years ago today! , 230 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23031 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 8):
DL also will be the world launch customer for the seat and will have exclusive rights in North America.
Assuming this is not an April Fool's Joke, I find it very hard to believe that, if true, this company was stupid enough to give one airline "exclusive rights" in such a large market to a concept that might prove to be very successful and economical.
What we likely have is that Delta has exclusive rights for a limited period, for example maybe 12 months, like Chrysler's "exclusive right" to Sirius in-car TV for 12 months, or Ford's exclusive one-year right to Microsoft's SYNC.
No, it is not an April Fool's joke. However, I have no clue how long the exclusive rights period lasts. Notice the rights are only for North America.
GSPSPOT From United States, joined Sep 2003, 1758 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23046 times:
Looks very unusual, but innovative to be sure! If this is true, DL once again leads the way among U.S. carriers for Economy pax's comfort & service! May make me take back some things I said about U.S. carriers in another thread...
Legroom is the ultimate luxury! http://www.GSPSPOTAIRLINEPICS.shutterfly.com/action/
OOer From United States, joined Oct 2005, 1127 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23012 times:
Looks like about 30 or so more seats in Y than the currecnt config....going to 1-2-1 in Biz from 2-2-2 and to 2-4-2 in coach from 2-3-2.
26 MaverickM11: That's fantastic. From a financial perspective it sounds very good. From a passenger perspective they look like a nightmare but I'll withhold judgmen
27 Jetlanta: Please do. Comfort levels will be vastly improved. Trust.
29 Jetlanta: It appears that there is not a timeframe for the North American exclusivity. The reality here is that these seats pay for themselves very quickly on
30 Delta4eva: The 764s have not received slimline seats. They still have the older, early 2000s seats. Only the 738s, 757ETOPS, and 777LRs have received slimline s
31 MaverickM11: But if PTVs were a problem on some 763 routes, 40 extra passengers are going to be much worse no?
32 Drerx7: Ok...I told myself to stay away from a.net on april fools day...why can't I listen...
33 Evan767: Right, because in the world of $100 airfares, no one is taking to the skies these days.
34 Delta4eva: Yes, I believe you are right. There might have to be a subfleet of 763s that have less seats for the longer routes like JFK/ATL-LOS, JFK-AMM, and JFK
35 Jetlanta: Not sure of the answer, but some used or freed up 777's would do the trick for those few markets. Plus, don't forget that winglets will help make up
37 MaverickM11: Wouldn't matter...you can't lie across the row which is a nice perk in the rare event you do get a row to yourself. It's better than most business cl
38 Evan767: I was being sarcastic, however, it seems as though you realize that getting an entire row to yourself is a very "rare" event.
39 Haggis79: so, I assume this also means 3-4-3 in the 777, then?
40 Panamair: So will the Thompson J seats (previously introduced for the 764ERs) also be installed on the 763ERs? The previous announcement about the new 764 J se
41 Micstatic: I know people have already said this, but what about the weight? 40 more pax? Has the FAA signed off on the design?
42 Jetlanta: Not sure of the official answer, but the 777 LOPA on the Thompson site shows a 3-4-3 configuration with 18.5 inch wide seats. So I'd say it is likely
43 AznMadSci: With up to 40 more pax, would this require a change in staffing for DL?
45 Haggis79: one would hope that they put one F/A more on those a/c than before from a customer service point of view alone - even if not required by FAA rules...
46 Squid: I think this is fantastic news. I have crossed the Pacific 7 times both ways, and those flights are always so full that you never get a row to yoursel
47 Alitalia744: As Jetlanta said - why have one press release when you can have two.
48 FFlyer: This would be a nice wedding gift from DL to NW. After all, DL has the rights, but NW could also get it, if...
49 Ikramerica: How does wedging more pax into a 763 help with the range, considering DL used the excuse of range not to be able to add PTVs to the 763. I guess I nee
50 LAXorLGWonDL: I know the North American 767-300ER I flew KWI-RMS-BWI last month was 2-4-2 (painful) configuration with the regular "in-line" seating and held about
51 WorldTraveler: there are rumors that AA is interested in the seat as well. Of course, exclusiviity can be broken for a price.....it will remain to be seen if other U
52 Klkla: Another thing to consider is the effect of blended winglets once they become available for the 767-300ER. The increase in range can be exchanged for
53 1337Delta764: Note that the news article says 767ER, not 767-300ER. So, does this include the 767-400ER?
54 Jetlanta: So, at the risk you actually answering the question, what is stupid about it? The improvement in comfort and amenities for passengers? The enormous r
55 Jetlanta: The LOPA i posted is just an example of what you can do with a 767-300. Delta's will be different. I believe you are right, the capacity increase wil
57 Delta4eva: It could, however, traditionally DL has internally called the 767-300ER, the 767ER. I would expect that the article means the 767-300ER and the 777s
58 A380US: Right but why would they? I mean once its in the hangar they might as well
59 WorldTraveler: Are you sure DL made that statement or was tha just a conclusion of a bunch of a.netters?
60 LawnDart: It is posted on the internal Delta website...surprisingly, not an April Fool's joke! [Edited 2008-04-01 16:32:35][Edited 2008-04-01 16:33:10]
61 JTR: As I read it, Thompson has only given Delta exclusive North American rights to the new "Cozy Suite," and not any of their other products. That means,
62 Evan767: It was posted on the Delta blog a while back by an 'official' rep.
63 CuriousFlyer: Wow! I want to see it in action, but meanwhile, Wow!
64 AirTranTUS: DL is quite slow when it comes to adding personal IFE to their international planes. If they add the extra row to some planes, they contradict themse
65 MSYtristar: Well, I like this move by DL. Quite a bit, actually. At the very least, it is something ORIGINAL here. It's a nice "step forward" in terms of economy
66 Acheron: Someone tell me how do you actually get off your seat if you are in the middle without pissing people off. I'm still trying to figure that one out.
67 Micstatic: How do you get out of your seat now without pissing the aisle people off now?
68 Enviroian: I am pleased to see DL step up to the plate, but at 32" pitch nothing has changed comfort wise. 32" is 32" no matter what you do with the seat. Now if
69 767-332ER: Considering that there are over 35 intl' a/c already outfitted with PTV's, I do not see how this is so "slow." Apparently your name begs to question
70 DL Widget Head: Exactly, and that's not to mention the 100 or so domestic a/c outfitted with IFE. It takes time and a lot of money to retrofit the fleet with IFE. It
71 GeorgiaAME: From ANY other airline, other than Delta, I might believe it. Frankly, I don't believe it. And indeed, it is April Fool's Day.
73 PeachAir: Oh brother .... another negative Nellie Those days on Delta are very few and far between - I can't remember the last time I had a row to myself. Ther
74 MSYtristar: Lots of haters out there. Jesus. Over a new friggin' seat which will likely improve the on board experience for people.
75 Acheron: Well, you'd normally walk in a straight out over the person, but now you'd have to deal with the person's(or your own, depending which side you choos
76 LHboyatDTW: As much as I respect DL for being innovative with this design (assuming this isn't an April Fools Joke), I have to question how those extra 40 pax wil
77 Evan767: He stated personal IFE. He's right too. The majority of Delta's international fleet is the 763. Delta has been slow at adding personal IFE to these p
78 MaverickM11: Another point that proves my belief that IFE in Y is irrelevant
79 1337Delta764: So, the 767-300ERs will finally be getting PTVs as well?
80 AirTranTUS: Well that can't be right. People who work at DL have posted here time and again that DL didn't want some 763's with PTV's and others without. Quite a
81 Papatango: WELL You can please some of the people all of the time---all of of the people some of the time----but you can NEVER please all of the people all of th
82 Ocracoke: The last time I had an entire row to myself, on any airline, was a 2002 NW SIN-NRT flight. Since then, never had a row to myself. Those days of makin
83 OlympicATH: Has anyone realized Thompson has planned these seats to be non-reclinable? Obviously reclinable seats would make the configuration a nightmare for win
84 MMEPHX: This looks like a 1000% upgrade from the current 763ER Y product I've endured on recent trips. Nice work DL...someone does care about cattle class (ie
85 Flighty: If true.... The 777 is now a 10Y airliner, period. the 767 is pretty much an 8Y airliner. The 787 is 9Y, period. The A350 is also 9Y. The 747 probably
86 Flighty: Huh? It looks like very nice recline by way of a sliding cushion and pivoting lumbar cushion. Result, the passenger lies down by sliding forward. It
87 DL Widget Head: Quoted from the Thompson link cited by the thread starter: "The patented seat recline which slides down and forward, reclines you to your perfect lou
88 Acey559: First off way to go DL! Second, I know the seats in the pictures of course aren't DL seats, but are the seats going to be in the traditional blue leat
89 OlympicATH: Yes I went through the website and I agree with you both on the fact that this sliding cushion will provide some comfort. However, the backshell will
90 Sxf24: Tell that to CO (753 only), CX and hosts of other world class carriers with these type of Y seats.
91 Kaitak744: So the change of seats will happen in 2010? Why so late? There will obviously be some 767s which will undergo heavy maintenance between now and then..
92 Jetlanta: The seat is not yet certified and timing is such that they won't be available for installation until after Summer season 2009. That is soon as they w
93 Mayor: Well, because I saw this first on the DL employee website, I would have to assume that it is the real deal.
94 Vanguard737: Quick question: How are people expected to converse with each other during long flight? I hardly think it would be comfortable to be required to lean
95 Jetlanta: It's about six inches. Its not impossible to have a conversation, just a little different. Most people would rather be more comfortable than have a c
96 Alitalia744: All - read below http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...o-thompson-cozies-up-to-delta.html[Edited 2008-04-01 23:55:10]
97 Putnik: I'm not a Delta hater, will probably never even fly Delta but from my longhaul experiences mainly on AF and LH this seating arrangement would still ha
98 NewYorkCityBoi: from those pictures, they didnt show how those seats can be declined??
99 FlyPNS1: I'll give DL credit for trying something new. I won't say much about the seat itself because I would have to try it out to know if its really that com
100 MSYtristar: I wonder if, to compensate, they would reduce frequencies on some routes to some secondary Euro markets. I know they do so to an extent during off pe
101 Intermodal64: When slimline seats were introduced in the early 80's, the promise was reduced pitch without reduced comfort. We all know that was not the case! This
102 Hypercott: As a frequent traveller on Delta's international long-haul 767s, I really enjoy the 2-3-2 config in Y. Imagining narrower seats and a 2-4-2 config (no
103 Haggis79: eh? does Thompson have an exclusivity agreement with Boeing or what does this have to do with AvB? well, my gut feeling also tells me that putting 30
104 GSPSPOT: What would this do to their range? There's the extra seats, pax, and their baggage...
105 Rwy04LGA: Because after the NW merger, DL will be near the front of the line with orders/options on 68 787's.
106 PlanesNTrains: I'm guessing that, depending on how well these work and how long the exclusivity clause lasts, you will not have a choice in five years. Of course, a
107 FlyDreamliner: I don't like this idea of having offset seating... maybe it's that I often travel with a companion and I don't like enclosed spaces for long periods o
108 Jumbojet: Dont you think you should wait and try the new seats and layout to see if you will like it rather then already ASSUME that you wont? Maybe you will b
109 PlanesNTrains: I wonder if a camera or two that people can cue up on their PTV would help? Actually, I'm picturing a point down the road where all commercial airlin
110 Jumbojet: Lets see, if I have my facts right, DL's 763ER has a total of 4 bathrooms for 178 coach passengers. if they add another 35 seats without adding addit
111 Jetlanta: OK, I certainly understand the hesitation to believe that putting 30 more seats on the aircraft is going to make it a more comfortable experience. If
112 Jetlanta: Well good luck with that. The reason Delta can even afford to spend the money on this massive overhaul is that it allows more seats on the aircraft,
113 Jetlanta: Absolutely frequency will be adjusted if necessary. Keep in mind that the economics improve tremendously with this modification so there will be more
114 FlyDreamliner: I know that you are right, it's just still disappointing. It increasingly makes me wish there were something between crap coach seating and paying 4-
115 Jetlanta: Don't be disappointed. Give this new seat a try. I think you are going to be very pleasantly surprised. As will the industry.
116 Hypercott: Well, I usually can get a sense of things by their appearance -- I may be wrong, but to me, personally, the Thompson seats don't look and their specs
117 TCT: How about couples and family's wouldn't it be quit difficult to talk with one another?
118 Jetlanta: A bit more. If this is a decision driver, there will be dozens of other airlines that will better serve them.
119 Ikramerica: Here's a clue to those who claim there is really going to be more space. Read the PR again. DL calls the seats "Cozy". Cozy is NOT a term that connote
120 Sparkingwave: Maybe this is a blessing in disguise!
121 Flighty: I believe today's longhaul coach is a nightmare today, for most coach pax. People actually hate riding 9+ hours in economy. Why? Poor recline, intrus
122 PlanesNTrains: In the end, it might very well be an improvement and a deterrent. I mean, like anything else, preference is subjective, and you will probably have a l
123 FUN2FLY: Except CO has 3 lavs in coach for a 53 per bathroom ratio. Mid-cabin and two in the back. I think this is a good move for DL. Product differentiation
124 Jetlanta: Thanks for this insightful and technical analysis. The merits of your argument certainly can't be challenged by mere facts. My question for you is th
125 Jetlanta: You are absolutely correct. This raises the stakes.
126 Incitatus: Agreed. I wouldn't go as far. Notice that if Delta is going for the seat map that was presented, coach in the 767 is going from 7- to 8-abreast. In t
127 Flighty: Yes, in this case DL is clearly using the technology to increase seat count. Will comfort improve, amazingly, probably yes, due to the legroom issue.
128 AAJFKSJUBKLYN: Lets see..I will create a product and limit myself to one customer. Sounds like a real good business plan. Not going to happen..in fact The Thomson re
129 Gokmengs: Wow, from the looks of it that looks really good. I didn't go on a.net one day yesterday and look at what I missed. I''m a DL PMM, but I wouldn't call
130 Lono: Having done weight and balance for airlines before this is a consideration for sure... you are probably talking an additional 8000 lbs of PAX and bag
131 Flighty: So what about the A330 / A340? Seems like it just became a 9Y player....? 8 seats x 2 inches freedom = 16 inches. And weren't the seats quite generous
132 N839MH: After looking at the seats and the seat map...I believe it would much better if the outside seats angled towards the front of the aircraft for easier
133 UA_727: Wow - this is just a first blush reaction - I have yet to read all posts... ...But based upon the posted seat map image, there's NO differentiation! W
134 Baw716: I've been watching the Thompson seat for some time now...and finally an airline has decided to go for it. A US airline no less. Delta has done somethi
135 MPDPilot: You clearly do have a problem with Delta. And compared to who, CO maybe, but as you said CO is starting in one year and DL has started CO's fleet isn
136 Evan767: Delta's 763ER's are going to be configured 2-4-2. Don't let the pictures on the website fool you. No matter what, on the 763, you will still only nee
137 Coolfeet77: That's the nature of the beast in Y class. Nowadays, because airlines have to make money, they pack it in Y class. Passengers should not really get p
138 LongbowPilot: BACK TO THE TOPIC at hand: Regardless of the opinion of one or two people the seats installed will increase the current capacity of the aircraft. In g
139 OA260: Certainly looks very nice . Well done DL .
140 Haggis79: Let me ask you an honestly curious question - have you tried that seat? If not, you are as well speculating as we are... I don't see the big comfort
141 Viscount724: How can 8 seats across be more comfortable than 7 seats across in the same cabin width? Putting more passengers in the same space is never more comfo
142 MPDPilot: Then I don't think you understand the concept of this seat. Cause my understanding is that the seats will be wider, or at the very least the same wid
143 Flighty: MPD, yes the trapezoid is basically what I am picturing too. Hips need room, but the knees can have a narrower space. This allows more humans in the s
144 WPIAeroGuy: Exactly MPDPilot, if you look a tthe pictures, you can see how the seats are slightly angled so that each person sits a little behind or a little in f
145 Cubastar: IMO it certainly could not be any worse that trying to have a conversation with your seatmate in BA's Business Class!! By the way, where did the "Spe
146 767-332ER: Of course regarding the fuel burn, I meant a decrease by adding winglets. Honest mistake. First of all, you must not mistake the posts of a few 15yrs
147 Micstatic: We can speculate this to death. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. If they say it's more comfortable, they better mean it. I will say that it is
148 WorldTraveler: as for the comfort factor, remember that the virtue of this seat is that you have your own space and cannot "spill" into the other seat. An aweful lot
149 Mayor: Unless I'm mistaken, the seats aren't actually angled.....they still look perpendicular to the cabin wall, to me.
150 FlyingClrs727: No, because they are single aisle aircraft 6 abreast is the maximum seating. A 7 abreast single aisle configuration would require 3-4 seating, and th
151 FlyingClrs727: It can do 11Y on a 747 with the same 17.8" seat that will be used on the Delta 767's compared to standard 17.5" 10Y seating. I could imagine that som
152 BAW716: Totally right. We (AZ) flew the 763ER SFO-MXP, which is just shy of 6000mi (I think about 5900+) at flight times eastbound between 10:04 and 12:00 (s
153 Luv2cattlecall: Well...when push comes to shove, CO has no problems with turning the aisles into one giant shit-trough
154 Viscount724: But when the seat next to you is empty, still a fairly frequent event in my experience especially outside the peak seasons, the empty seat is of no u
155 PC12Fan: He's always shown disapproval for this concept, which is fine. I've always thought it was a great idea. Especially from the other application of this
156 Incitatus: I am not aware of any regularly scheduled Delta flight on a 767-300 that takes 13 hours. Which ones are you referring to? 13 hours on a 767-300 like
157 Jetlanta: It is quite likely that Delta will come up with another alternative for the crew rest requirements as part of the comprehensive 767-300ER refurbishme
158 Pnh2atl: The aircraft doing the 12+ hour flights DL bumped up the max gross weight from 407K to 413K. I am pretty sure that the only thing that needs to be don
159 BAW716: Well said... Also very true...although for cargo on the long stage lengths...it is not the greatest bird in the world. That said, on 12-13 hour fligh
161 Cloudboy: I am assuming that they have addressed this issue if they are pursuing this idea still, but can someone explain to me how this will meet evacuation re
162 Atpcliff: Hi! I've been reading some of these posts. I'm really surprised by some of the negative reactions. Obviously, these seats are a change from the crap s
163 Atpcliff: Hi! I just realized I SCREWED up! The aisle seats will still be the same distance apart, as all the rows are staggered! So, no more room to get in and
164 WunalaYann: Has been for a while, mate. Come join us on those lovely, cozy, intimate,... well, squishy LHR/CDG/FRA/AMS-DXB-MEL/SYD runs on EK. Welcome to long-ha
165 N844AA: Something about those mockup photographs makes me unbelievably claustrophobic. Ugh. I can't get over how much it freaks me out just looking at it.
166 Gigneil: I sat in a mockup of a very similar system once. I found it to be VERY roomy, and I am far from a short person. NS
167 PlanesNTrains: Well, as an average height guy (being generous to myself), I think that shorter folks would actually be more clausterphobic, as if you are taller you
168 N844AA: Good to know. I could easily see this being something that looks unpleasant in pictures, but is very nice in practice. I look forward to trying it ou
169 Flighty: Right, yeah, but some airlines still call it a 9Y airliner. If this thing works as promised, then 9Y would be like business class. And 10Y, fully as
170 Gigneil: I felt the same way when I first saw the VS Upper Class suites... they seem to have turned out ok for everyone that has them installed, now. NS
171 WunalaYann: Hmm, no. Being slightly above average myself, I can tell you that I would gladly (albeit temporarily) trade my 10 centimetres in height and 5 in widt
172 PlanesNTrains: I'm sure you're right. It might be how we each define "our" claustrophobia. For me, being confined (crowded, less roomy) is part of it, but not being
173 HNL-Jack: The concept looks interesting and at this point one can only speculate about the individual seat comfort. However, the idea of getting an additional f
174 Cloudboy: I thought that passengers HAD to be able to see over the seat backs, and that the FAs had to be able to see all the passengers, too.
175 Khobar: "The staggered design also creates a sense of personal space, and gives passengers four inches of additional legroom." I'm guessing the reason Delta o
176 DocLightning: I don't buy it for a second. The "additional legroom" will be accomodated for by reducing the pitch by 4" That said, I will reserve all other judgmen
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