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Intra-Hawaiian Flights Bypassing HNL?  
User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

What intra-Hawaiian routes exist / existed that by-passed HNL and have been served by something larger than single-engined Cessna 208s or Cessna 402/404s? I.e., any aircraft type including or larger than a 19 seater.

The only such routes I have been on have been KOA-OGG and ITO-KOA on Island Air.

Has there ever been stuff like KOA-LIH, ITO-OGG, LIH-OGG by Hawaiian, Aloha, MidPacific, Royal Hawaiian, Discovery, Mahalo?

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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2495 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
KOA-LIH

Operated by AQ until 2 days ago, as part of their SNA-KOA-LIH-SAN round robin flight.

Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
ITO-OGG

Currently operated by HA and Island Air

Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
LIH-OGG

Currently operated by HA and Island Air; also served by AQ until yesterday

Also, OGG-KOA is operated by HA and Island Air and was an AQ route until yesterday.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2452 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
Has there ever been stuff like KOA-LIH, ITO-OGG, LIH-OGG by Hawaiian, Aloha, MidPacific, Royal Hawaiian, Discovery, Mahalo?

According to the HA schedule

HA111 - ITO-OGG - Daily
HA131 - ITO-KOA - Daily
HA132 - OGG-ITO - Daily
HA180 - OGG-KOA - Daily
HA160 - OGG-KOA - Daily
HA129 - KOA-OGG - Daily
HA179 - KOA-OGG - Daily
HA508 - LIH-OGG - Daily


Island Air
MKK-OGG
OGG-MKK
OGG-KOA
KOA-OGG
ITO-OGG
OGG-ITO
OGG-LIH
LIH-OGG

For Go! you would have to use GoExpress which is a Cessna Caravan.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2187 times:

Thnaks for the list. Surprised to see so many of these flights.

Has it ever been seriously discussed to serve places like Waimea, Hana or Princeville again by something larger than a Cessna (e.g. by Island Air ?). I think at one point Hawaiian served Waimea with their Shorts 330, and Hana used to be served by the even larger Convairs. Have the road conditions improved so much that transiting through KOA, OGG or LIH instead is attractive enough even for pax who are not overly cost-sensitive? Or is the main reason for the lack of such flights that with direct flights from the mainland to KOA, LIH and OGG it is nowadays just an additional car-drive to reach these places rather than a connecting flight from HNL plus the drive?


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

When WP went all Dash8, it left Princeville without air service, unless air taxi carriers serve there.

IIRC ... LW serves Hana & Kamuela with their Caravans.

As beautiful as these places are, the amount of pax traffic doesn't support anything larger than a Caravan, except maybe a Twin Otter.



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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2036 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1895 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 3):
I think at one point Hawaiian served Waimea with their Shorts 330

Even better than the 330, in the late 1960s and for much of the 1970s, Hawaiian served Waimea with the DC9. There was a daily run from HNL, continuing on to either Hilo or Kona (the old Kona airport closer to town) depending on the day. I believe at various points there was an OGG-MUE service with the DC9 as well.

In those pre-Deregulation days I suppose it made more sense - before 1970, when Keahole airport and the Queen Kaahumanu Highway were finished, it was difficult for Waimea/Kohala coast residents to get to either ITO or the old KOA. I'm not sure when Hawaiian dropped DC9 flights at MUE, but it was most likely in the late 1970s.

Up until a few years ago, Hawaiian was running jets through LNY and MKK as well, on the HNL-LNY-MKK-HNL milk run.


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2036 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Just did a bit more digging - looks like Hawaiian dropped MUE in 1977-1979. I believe HNM was dropped when the airline went all-jet.

In the 1950s Hawaiian also served Upolu on the Big Island. OGG took over as the main Maui airport in 1951, if I'm not mistaken - prior to that civilian flights used the airport south of Puunene.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4503 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1634 times:



Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 6):
In the 1950s Hawaiian also served Upolu on the Big Island. OGG took over as the main Maui airport in 1951, if I'm not mistaken - prior to that civilian flights used the airport south of Puunene.

Correct. http://www.airfields-freeman.com/HI/Airfields_HI_Maui.htm#puunene


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