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Aviation In Ecuador, 2008: Updates  
User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Saludos,

There have been a couple of developments in Ecuador last year, and I'd like to hear from locals what the status is on those issues, and generally if there are any news from Ecuador. Stefano, I'm sure you can answer most of these!

1) New Airport at Quito - how is the progress of the construction, what is the current estimated date of completion? Are there any recent photos of the facilities? The official web site doesn't seem to update too often. Will it keep the code UIO / SEQU or get a new one (I assume the IATA code will stay the same but the ICAO code will change?)

2) Iberia's stranded A340-600 at UIO - any news on that? Any recent photos?

3) TAME news? - In the Lima thread, service by EQ to LIM has been mentioned. Is this true? When? Their (recently redesigned) web site does not mention this yet. Also, in another thread here on A.net which I don't remember, somebody has mentioned a third A320 for EQ. Is this true? If yes, new or second hand? Any other news from TAME? Are they going to pick up a 6th JungleJet anytime soon to dump one of the two remaining 722s?

4) AeroGal to MIA - how are they doing? Any new routes / equipment for them in the future? (MEX / California?)

Thanks for any input!

Soren  santahat 


All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Any update on EC-JOH? Are they working on it, or has it just been left aside, with IB hoping that it can be quietly written off, with minimal media attention?

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Well I found a news report on the public opinion about UIO, but there's not a lot of info in it. Funny how they all say AREOpuerto, including the narrator!


Any info from our members in Ecuador?

Soren  santahat 



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineChupame From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Aerogal suspended flights to MIA. I believe all ticketed passengers were guaranteed a seat with AA

User currently offlineDakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

TAME has stopped flying Fokker F-28's. When I was in UIO in december I saw both planes parked on the military platform. Anyone knows what wille happen with these planes now?

And what I would like to know: are there new routes to/from Ecuador introduced with the start of summer timetable?


User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Hey Guys,

Nice to see people interested in aviation in my country. Ok, so lets see, what I know of the top of my head. Uio, has nothing new, its the boring airport and corrupt administration it has been since the beginning. No new airlines nor operators coming in for the next trimester atleast,

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
) New Airport at Quito - how is the progress of the construction, what is the current estimated date of completion? Are there any recent photos of the facilities? The official web site doesn't seem to update too often. Will it keep the code UIO / SEQU or get a new one (I assume the IATA code will stay the same but the ICAO code will change?)

Ok, lets see, hmm, the stupidest topic in aviation history, NEW AIRPORT FOR QUITO, well, ummm, ok, they say itll be done in three years, meaning 2011, which I highly doubt. I highly doubt the most useless unthought off project in the world will be working by then and will even be successful. The most criticized project in history in Ecuador, and most controversial due to money problems, high expenses, and unplanned stuff. the airport in conclusion is the worst idea EVER in aviation history in Ecuador. It is in the most stupid place to be built, where there are dangerous winds, amazing weather phenomenems, where its socked in (You cant see in front off your self) for 80% of the year, from 6PM untill 9-10am next morning. That means DELAYS!!!! or accidents! Second, the rest 20% is summer and that mean Dangerous winds, or sand storms!!! jajajaja. Just great. This place is just beside Quito, but amazingly enough, it has a totally different weather, arid, dry, windy, and lots of geological faults and things around it. (not that that is a bad thing for the airport)

So the new airport sucks. And you can ask any pilot in Ecuador about it and they will say the same, UNLESS they have in some way a relation with the constructors and they are getting money out of it. The DGAC aviation authority of Ecuador even told the Mayor, that even if they finish the airport, the DAC will not let airplanes operate in the new UIO, because it is unsafe and they dont have authorizations.

The DAC already started to try out new Instrumental Procedure for this airport and its just amazing. It is in such an unthought of place, that there are no good possibilities for instrumental approaches as thre are right now in UIO. Its a very tough location they said. Just to get you into a little something. They suggested one chance, (For those who know and can check it out) they wanted to make STAR 4 (QIT ILS DME 35 SEQU) the other way, so isntead of leaving QIT on heading 150, youd leave it on heading 230 or 220 and do a simillar approach but to the other side!! Thats DANGEROUS!!

Any way, I havent taken up the cessna to fly over new airport lately but, here is the last pic.





Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
a third A320 for EQ

Those people... the EQ guys, hahaha, not an other one, not a new one! They're changing their OLD HC-CDY HC-CDZ for OLDER 11 year old A320's! No, they are not new, brand new and htey wil not make the fleet grow, they will just make the fleet older! It makes me laugh cause TAME always trys to hit the competition with their' FLY OUR ZERO KILOMETER PLANES! BRAND NEW! Now they have to get some changes for their slogan. Of course they can afford these kind of planes, theyr GOVERNMENT!!

So yeah, there you go, TAME is not adding a 3rd, A320, theyre going backwards.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):

2) Iberia's stranded A340-600 at UIO - any news on that? Any recent photos?

I spoke to my friend in the repair company and jsut a few eeks he said, no news, all the same, enjoy these pics taken by me.











These pictures taken in JAN and hte alst one in February form the helicopter.



Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
anytime soon to dump one of the two remaining 722s?

TAME has both of them flying, on is in a C chceck, not DUMPED, the otehr was broken, not dumped. HC-BLE was put into service as aa FAE plane, so yeah, still flying.

Quoting Birdwatching (Thread starter):
4) AeroGal to MIA - how are they doing? Any new routes / equipment for them in the future? (MEX / California?)

Theyre doing better, they plan to go to MIA again in 6 months as I was told, and so far, they have been doing normal, not much news.

Besides this, it is said ICARO will purchase TAME's HC-CEH F28 and use it, then they will buy a Dash 8 300/400 and they will bring back their 732f HC-CFY in Chile which is currently going some heavy problems with the maintenance company which was supposed to repair this 732. Also some alliances rummors have been going on. Thats ir for now, no new on anything else.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2614 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 5):
NEW AIRPORT FOR QUITO

I recall the news from 20 years ago about the new airport in Quito. Surprised that they are actually building it. What about Guayaquil? They have the new terminal, but I have heard nothing else.

How far away is that airport from the center of Quito?

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 5):
This place is just beside Quito, but amazingly enough, it has a totally different weather, arid, dry, windy, and lots of geological faults and things around it.

Did a trip from Quito to Otavalo in 2002 by car. It is about 80 miles. Shocking to find how many micro-climates are created by the Andes mountains.

We went from green, to arid, to sunny and the flower-growing region, windy areas, etc. in 1.5 hours. I counted about 4 micro-climates in that short trip.

Unfortunately, the pictures don't show the true height of what you encounter there. The mountains located to the West of the airport are about 6000 feet higher than the airport. And those are the small ones. On one 35 takeoff on the F-28, we had to go around the mountain that is located to the North of the airport.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Airportmanager, absolutely great pics! Thank you very much.

User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Hey is it true that Tame will start UIO-MAO?? If so, does anybody know the schedule, equipment and frequencies?? Does Tame have interline agreements with any Brazilian carrier to connect onwards to the Northeast for example??


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2581 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 5):
Theyre doing better, they plan to go to MIA again in 6 months as I was told, and so far, they have been doing normal, not much news.

Have they arrange to lease/purchase an aircraft for the route?



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User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2546 times:



Quoting LH506 (Reply 8):
Hey is it true that Tame will start UIO-MAO?? If so, does anybody know the schedule, equipment and frequencies?? Does Tame have interline agreements with any Brazilian carrier to connect onwards to the Northeast for example??

I dont know about TAME, because its not been said, but ICARO is planning that route with codeshare with one airline in specific, but its all on standby, lets hope and see it done. But nothing is official. So, there we go, thats all for now.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Thank you for all the input, Stefano! It's great to have a competent reporter in UIO who can always give an update on the status.

Can you please confirm this, am I understanding it right?

TAME is switching their two factory new A320s for two used, much older ones? I've never heard of anything like this! Why are they doing it? Is it really worth the $$$ they get for that change?

Who is getting their A320s, and where do the old/new ones come from?

Soren  santahat 



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2377 times:

What about VIP? I never see any news about this small airline, yields, load factors, plans, routes, planes, anything!!


I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 6):
Did a trip from Quito to Otavalo in 2002 by car. It is about 80 miles. Shocking to find how many micro-climates are created by the Andes mountains.

We went from green, to arid, to sunny and the flower-growing region, windy areas, etc. in 1.5 hours. I counted about 4 micro-climates in that short trip.

That is a great drive, always enjoyable. Much as I enjoy the flight from UIO-GYE, taking the bus on occasion when time wasn't an issue was great just to see more of the countryside at a slower pace.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 12):
What about VIP? I never see any news about this small airline, yields, load factors, plans, routes, planes, anything!!

My experience with them was that they were almost always full. People tended to wait in their lounge hoping to go standby and then, if they didn't get it, go down the back stairs to catch a TAME flight instead. I haven't been there in a while and I'm sure many things have changed but a VIP membership was something people in Ecuador put a lot of value on.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2276 times:



Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
TAME is switching their two factory new A320s for two used, much older ones? I've never heard of anything like this! Why are they doing it? Is it really worth the $$$ they get for that change?

its true, they already changed CDY A320 for a NEW A320, coming from XL airways, CFM engines, HC-CGJ and its supposed to be in worse shape of course as its from 1997. The next one I dont know where it will come from, but its defenitly horrible TAME does these things, and promoted NEW planes on their adds. never the less, dont know the real reason why they are changing them, besides, the fact that i heard the leasing 250,000 a month, was too expensive for the Airbus A320's. CFM engines makes me wonder if that was an other reason for the change. Well, as we say, TAME has got planes to spare.


VIP, synergy groups rejected airline. Its never full nor empty, its got some good contracts in the oil business therefore they have chartered flights everyday. Other than that, they dont grow, nor shrink, and they never really say anything to the media.

So, yeah, as Pilots have told me from VIP, they say that VIP is the rejected airline from they Synergy group and dont have ANY expantion plans, and all their losses are covered by AV's and oceans profits. How about that. Thats what the people in the airline have heard and tell me.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):
That is a great drive, always enjoyable. Much as I enjoy the flight from UIO-GYE, taking the bus on occasion when time wasn't an issue was great just to see more of the countryside at a slower pace.

Yeah, ive been told there are GREAT routes on buses here in Ecuador, personally I havent taken more than 1. But I do prefer to pay more, enjoy a flight than end up in a wooden box 6 feet under the ground. hahaha. Buses here are so unsafe.


User currently offlineFAEDC3 From Ecuador, joined Jun 2007, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2234 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 5):
The DGAC aviation authority of Ecuador even told the Mayor, that even if they finish the airport, the DAC will not let airplanes operate in the new UIO, because it is unsafe and they dont have authorizations.

As far as I understand, the site was picked by the DGAC, they made a number of studies in the course of many years, and finally the land was chosen... They (DGAC) even bought it, just to leave it untouched because the funds to build the new airport were never there.... How's it possible that now they say that the building site is unsafe??

Great compilation by the way...


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2196 times:



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):
My experience with them was that they were almost always full. People tended to wait in their lounge hoping to go standby and then, if they didn't get it, go down the back stairs to catch a TAME flight instead. I haven't been there in a while and I'm sure many things have changed but a VIP membership was something people in Ecuador put a lot of value on.



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 14):
VIP, synergy groups rejected airline. Its never full nor empty, its got some good contracts in the oil business therefore they have chartered flights everyday. Other than that, they dont grow, nor shrink, and they never really say anything to the media.

So, yeah, as Pilots have told me from VIP, they say that VIP is the rejected airline from they Synergy group and dont have ANY expantion plans, and all their losses are covered by AV's and oceans profits. How about that. Thats what the people in the airline have heard and tell me.

Something tells me that will change soon. Apparently there are plans from Synergy to start flights to MAD from UIO and GYE... but I do agree that we never hear anything about VIP.. oh well, sometimes no news is good news..



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2129 times:



Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 15):
As far as I understand, the site was picked by the DGAC, they made a number of studies in the course of many years, and finally the land was chosen... They (DGAC) even bought it, just to leave it untouched because the funds to build the new airport were never there.... How's it possible that now they say that the building site is unsafe??

Don't know about this but I know that about a year ago that was the scam. There were fights between DGAC and QUIPORT, abut the building of this airport. And now, its just nonsense, these fights are ridiculous. Any way, I have not heard one pilot in Ecuador or a foreigner who flys to UIO who knows the terrain who approves the new airport, so nonsense.


About VIOP, I have also heard millions of things like ever since they opened. Nothing has come true. Just a hint, they said that Synergy will give 2 F100's, nothing, then 1 757 to VIP, and fly the Miami and NYC route...... hmmmmm, nothing yet and that was 1 year and a half ago. Then, I heard the MD83's were coming here like 8 months ago, so far.... hmmmm, nothing, last. I heard Fokker 1


User currently offlineFAEDC3 From Ecuador, joined Jun 2007, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2100 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 17):
Don't know about this but I know that about a year ago that was the scam. There were fights between DGAC and QUIPORT, abut the building of this airport. And now, its just nonsense, these fights are ridiculous. Any way, I have not heard one pilot in Ecuador or a foreigner who flys to UIO who knows the terrain who approves the new airport, so nonsense.

I agree with you that is is all nonsense.... there is no point in having a heated fight for this.... On the other hand, I have the means to acquire some information about this. I'll make some calls, I remember a few months ago talking to one of the OACI (ICAO) bigshots in Lima he mentioned that the studies were approved by OACI in the 70's and again in the 80's. I can check on my sources in order to get the facts, but one thing I know is 100% true, and that is the DGAC was the original owner of the land where the airport is being built, there is even a development ("urbanizacion") especially made for the DGAC employees... Whoever is older than 35 would tell you that as a known fact, same as the knowledge of the place where the new airport was supposed to be built.

I'm not defending any position here, just in case, just trying to get the facts straight... To me it just sounds strange the change of stance on some people... I don't know about the opinion of current pilots or authorities, they might have a good opposition argument, and that is ok by me. I have my own, the length of the runway for instance. But that is not the point here. I'll get my info straight and get back with it.

Now, that we're into this, what is the matter with "Air Ecuador", they were supposed to be a new airline, planning to fly US and Europe, whatever happened to them... Do you know anything about this?


User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2043 times:



Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 18):
I agree with you that is is all nonsense.... there is no point in having a heated fight for this.... On the other hand, I have the means to acquire some information about this. I'll make some calls, I remember a few months ago talking to one of the OACI (ICAO) bigshots in Lima he mentioned that the studies were approved by OACI in the 70's and again in the 80's. I can check on my sources in order to get the facts, but one thing I know is 100% true, and that is the DGAC was the original owner of the land where the airport is being built, there is even a development ("urbanizacion") especially made for the DGAC employees... Whoever is older than 35 would tell you that as a known fact, same as the knowledge of the place where the new airport was supposed to be built.

Nah no need for an argument. You might be right if you have the sources. My information might not be 100% accurate, but what I do know, that I as a Pilot I totally hate and disagree the new airport and its the worst project EVER in the world. And corrupt, and wrong as well. How is it that the new control tower costs more than all of Guayaquils NEW terminal. hahaha, Some weird information, and its all business if you know what I mean. I for one, hate the new airport for various reasons. Distance, access roads, costs, current airport taxes, weather, spotting will suck there, and well, more reasons will come as the years go by.

And about air ecuador, good point, after I got mugged, and they stole my cell phone, I lost over 200 aviation contact numbers, very powerful ones and the air Ecuador ones were in there. i would have to talk with them again to see what happened. its a year already since they were going to start!


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Airport Manager,

I would like to know traffic figures for UIO and GYE in 2007 (both international + national pax).....

A couple of more things....what happened with Icaro that suspended the UIO - CLO route? I know loads were really bad (about 20%), but in my opinion they did three things really bad: Very little advertising, they did not continue to GYE (CLO-UIO-GYE) and there was only one travel agency in Cali (Aviatur) selling tickets for them.....what is your opinion?

Also, I read a couple of months ago in Avianca´s magazine, that VIP would fly Quito - Esmeraldas - Cali 4x in its Dorniers 328...what happen with this?

Thanks


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1893 times:



Quoting LH506 (Reply 8):
Hey is it true that Tame will start UIO-MAO?? If so, does anybody know the schedule, equipment and frequencies?? Does Tame have interline agreements with any Brazilian carrier to connect onwards to the Northeast for example??

It is now confirmed that TAME will operate a twice weekly UIO-MAO in codeshare with TAM. In MAO TAM will offer connections to GRU, GIG, BSB and SSA.

Rgs,


User currently offlineFAEDC3 From Ecuador, joined Jun 2007, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

OK here is the deal, I went and asked a few people involved in the old "New Airport Process" and this is what I have found out.

Starting in 1968 the DGAC decided to look for alternate space to build a new airport, since most foreign (especially American) pilots coming in permanently complained about the approach to UIO. At the time Panagra started jet service to UIO and the idea of having a very noisy jet flying over was beginning to have some effect as well.
Three sites were selected before 1971, preliminary and studies were conducted by DGAC personnel to decide which one was best. Finally in 1973 the Tababela Site was finally selected. The preliminary studies were brought to ICAO technicians who supported the idea.

In 1974 DGAC created a department solely dedicated to perform the feasibility studies and to start architectural design of the new airport. This department had civil personnel as well as military (since DGAC has been runned by the Ecuadorian Air Force) and also ICAO technical personnel thru a "technical assistance agreement" signed by the Ecuadorian Gov't. These studies determined that the Tababela site was the most appropriate of the available land nearby Quito. The ICAO commission gave the go ahead to the local conducted studies and endorsed the idea of moving the airport to this site.

In the late 70's the government issued a law to expropriate that land, and finally in 1981 it was transferred to the DGAC, who at the same time, knowing this development would take place, had taken apart some of the land so a residential development was created for the DGAC employees, it still exists, and actually is one of the proofs of this story.

At the end, the new airport was not built because the government did not have the resources. During the early 90's DGAC along with the government went on a roadshow to seek for investors interested in building the new airport, they did find a couple of interested companies, but a current set of studies was requested, basically assuring that aircraft of the size of a 744 where to be capable of operating from it. Again, these studies were performed locally and later stamped and approved by the International Authority: ICAO.

At the end, the land was transferred again to the City of Quito, when along with Guayaquil requested the authority to take control over the construction of these 2 new airports, since the government had not done anything in 30 years. The Quito new airport was given as a concession to the Canadian Consortium, and the rest is well known...

Here my conclusions:

** I don't defend the actual site, but saying is all wrong means that many studies were incorrectly made, including the ones conducted by ICAO, the International Authority.
** I hardly believe that the CCC would of accepted to invest little or major resources on a project that had no feasibility studies,
** I still believe that Latacunga (SELT) may be a great alternative to building new new UIO, but I think that instead of looking for a confrontation, there is a solution: Why not the government builds its revamped SELT and then offers it to the airlines? If its going to be so good, and so cheap, the airlines would prefer that one, and the new UIO will die of starvation.
** I think that saying that no studies were made, that the site is the worst site ever, that there is no highway access, etc etc... does not necessarily reflect the truth... The facts are there, let them decide


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