FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7113 posts, RR: 87 Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4946 times:
The age old debate of to arm or not to arm. We discuss it about as often as retiring NW's fleet of DC9. The article is a good read and gives insight to the current program and details about the US Captain that had his weapon discharge while inflight.
I fly with pilots who are armed. Do I feel safer knowing they are? No. Part of that reason is that I am the last line of defence before the cockpit door. By the time someone tries to get into the cockpit, I will have exhausted everything possible to make damn sure no one gets there and I have an exhaustive list of things at my fingertips.
I have zero opinion on whether or not they should carry them. I do expect them to maintain some level of responsibility (something tells me the pilot in question on the US flight was showing it off, I digress).
One thing, too, is that the general flying public will never know which pilots are armed on any given flight. This information is on a "need-to-know" basis. The general flying public does not "need-to-know" that.
CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4847 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 3): What happens that day when a guy is flying and his personal life at home turns to crapp???
You can take ANY situation and turn it around to the bizarre anytime. My God, the guy that finally breaks down driving his car or sitting at his desk with a sharp pencil. Nothing is ever a 100% perfect solution but you must do the best you can. If you want a 100% perfect solution you'll still be looking 100 years from now.
Kstatepilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4818 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 9): Most pilots have no prior experience in the use of firearms in times when the critical situations. How they would response in a situation where a firearm is needed is still unknown.
I disagree with that statement, considering that a large number of airline pilots are ex military...
FreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4790 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
Well, I suspect hell just throw the wheel over hard and plow the plane into the ground.
Oh, you meant if he was armed...
Tongue in cheek answer aside, this is a good point. If a pilot is suicidal AND willing to kill all passengers on board along with themself, there is really nothing to stop them from sucker punching their co-pilot and taking the plane down with the cockpit door locked. The presence or lack thereof of a firearm doesn't really affect the doomsday scenario at all really. Now, most suicidal people are merely depressed and not looking to kill a plane full of passengers, but nonetheless, let's pray something like that NEVER happens.
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4786 times:
If I was an airline pilot, or an aspiring one for that matter, I would have no desire to carry a gun while at work. It is just one more thing to worry about, and it garners you no pay increase. I would feel no safer myself with a gun, nor would I if I knew the folks in the engine room were packing. But hey, that's just me.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4730 times:
While having no real opinion either way I honestly see no need whatever for it, nor do I see what real purpose it's supposed to serve. IMO it's only a feel-good factor and a chance to think you're John Wayne by carrying a gun.
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4638 times:
I feel that pilots with guns are a bit like the role of nuclear weapons in the cold war. It is 99% prevention. I feel that terrorists would be less inclined to try something if they know that a good portion of the pilots are armed. I like the idea of only having a small percentage have the weapons as the more pilots carry them, the more incidents that will happen. Don't have the pilots carry it unconcealed, however, because than people will now when they are not carrying. In this manner a minority percentage of pilots carrying will create universal reaction.
EWR, do they carry the weapon onto the aircraft in site of passengers or is it hidden at all times? The latter would be best.
However, much like in the cold war analogy, if a pilot has to actually use the weapon its bound to wind up badly.
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4618 times:
The Former Marine in me says I'd prefer to be armed at all times regardless, but to stilll try and argue against pilots carrying firearms is little different than the FAM's; I still shake my head in dissapointment of the female FAM who left her firearm in the head at the airport behind the security perimeter - and the FAM's are supposed to be some of the most proficient in handguns as any Federal entity!
Oftentimes ex military means very little when it comes to handguns.
Pilots being armed is probably fine. But, the funny thing is, people will die accidentally because of it. Maybe in the airport cafeteria, or in the First Class section or on the bus to the hotel. But, rest assured that people will die. That is true wherever civilians carry handguns. And a pilot out of his chair is just a civilian, prone to mistakes, getting drunk, angry, trying to break up a robbery, or what have you.
So hopefully it is worth the cost.
: This thread reminds me why I feel safer and more at ease flying on non-US carriers.