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Caribbean/Caribe/Caraibes Aviation Part 32  
User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

Ok guys sorry for not posting but here is part 32 live and rolling.
Part 31

Caribbean Aviation is experiencing a lag, so happening in the region:


  • Air Jamaica A340 on its last flight to Toronto Today.
  • Government of Jamaica reported in talks to sell JM to Air China.
  • Ground breaking Ghana Airlines flight strands passengers in BGI for more than 3 months.
  • Caribbean Airlines Private Jet grounded for now.
  • Spirit Airlines applies again for POS-FLL. More competition for the south Florida market. AA starting summer 4 more weekly to POS and BGI April 10.
  • Regional Travel is down due to high intra regional fares, LI again getting the blame. BGI government looking to make a decision on the airline.

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Hey Guys the West Indies are playing against Sri Lanka, All the best to them cause they need it.
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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

"AQ 737-700 is perfect for flights to GEO...It is fitted with aux tanks............."

Great on range but with the aux tanks a compromise on baggage.


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6018 times:
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Welcome Air Jamaica....... Sit back, relax and enjoy our warm Caribbean Hospitality ( sometimes).........

Quoting JM079 (Reply 221):
Yes, I read the report and I was wondering about the significance of this, as maintenance people are included in this delegation. Why are they are apart of a what is supposedly a trade mission to explore new markets?
Does this have anything to do with the reported interest by Air China in JM?

Air China is state-owned....I assume certain technicalities will be discussed......."The big news soon buss".......


JM's expenditure to the G.O.J


Air J to cost gov't $4.3 billion in charges this year


Wednesday, April 02, 2008



INTEREST and amortisation charges for Air Jamaica will this year cost the government $4.3 billion, Finance Minister Audley Shaw said yesterday.

He said that the interest charges will total $2.4 billion, while amortisation would cost $1.9 billion.

The minister also said the projected loss for the airline this year was $60 million.

Shaw was responding to questions from Opposition MPs on the budgetary cost of several losing public entities, including Air Jamaica, the Jamaica Urban Transit Company (JUTC) and the Sugar Company of Jamaica (SCJ) in the 2008/2009 Estimates of Expenditure.

He said that while there was no allocation in the estimates for the JUTC, the government may have to provide support later in the year. However, he said that the level of support would be much lower than in the past.

Minister of Transport and Works Mike Henry volunteered that while the administration had inherited a monthly deficit of $180 million at the JUTC, it had been able to reduce it to $70 million by last month. He said he expected it to fall to $40 million per month, eventually.

However, none of the government minister offered details on the losses at the SCJ. Shaw said that this was due to the fact that the divestment of the companies was in progress.
Minister of Agriculture Dr Christopher Tufton confirmed that the divestment process for the five government-owned sugar factories managed by the SCJ was continuing.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Haha so wah happenin' fuh Ghana Airlines now.. So long ago dey drop dem people in Barbados, dey doh come back fuh dem yet?

No seriously what is the situation here? I am mean this sort of thing doesn't happen on a daily basis.



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6004 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 2):
Welcome Air Jamaica....... Sit back, relax and enjoy our warm Caribbean Hospitality ( sometimes).........

Thanks HummingBird. I wonder when will JM restart MBJ/YYZ. I know they sold the route to AC years ago and probably the contract prevent them from getting it back for specified time period or is it that they wont get it back ?...AC is making a killing on that route plus the seasonal charters and now scheduled 3 weekly West Jet.



greenheart
User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

I know that we basically want/need money and are willing to accept it from anyone, but in the wider scheme of things, what exactly is in it for Air China to accuire a stake in JM? Does Air China have interest in the region which makes a tie in with some local carrier beneficial to them, or is this just a political "gift" per se? If political, does the Jamaican Govt. really want to just accept money for a troubled airline and move on? Theoretical question, if JM were to fold up and there was no local carrier doing international operations, how long would the Govt. and people of Jamaica leave their nations international traffic solely in the hands of foreign carriers and their interest?

User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6000 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 5):
Theoretical question, if JM were to fold up and there was no local carrier doing international operations, how long would the Govt. and people of Jamaica leave their nations international traffic solely in the hands of foreign carriers and their interest?

As much as I would not like to see my national carrier fold, bear in mind several countries do quite well without a national carrier. Dominican Republic does not have a large national carrier and they have an enviable booming tourist industry. So does Aruba. I hope it can weather the storm with a sound partner company and restructuring. All the billions that JM has lost over the years could have been used to fund education, health, infracstructure, et al . I am however aware of the significant role it plays in the tourist industry and the airlink between Jamaica and the rest of the world.



greenheart
User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5993 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 6):
All the billions that JM has lost over the years could have been used to fund education, health, infracstructure, et al

Most of our local carriers have / had the same problem, unfortunately for us, the reason has been poor management rather than anything else, how well is the govt. management of health, education etc? Not having a local carrier is always possible, difference in your case is that JM did have one which actually worked in spite of the problems, doing without something which you never really had is much easier than doing without something which you had and know within your heart you could do.

Interesting times.


User currently offlineLIA310 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Mar 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5970 times:



Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):

The flights from ACC to BGI and back where charters but at the moment Ghana has a single 757 that's leased from Icelandair for all of their flights. They fly to LGW, LOS, JNB and of course ACC. But they're in a mess right now because they can hardly do their scheduled flights.


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5941 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 1):
AQ 737-700 is perfect for flights to GEO...It is fitted with aux tanks............."

Great on range but with the aux tanks a compromise on baggage.

It will be, where is this a/c gonna come from by the way. Inbound.

AA1818 where are you know, still in MIA?



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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5936 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 2):
Air China is state-owned....I assume certain technicalities will be discussed......."The big news soon buss".......



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 2):
Air J to cost gov't $4.3 billion in charges this year

Is that US either way, thats a lot of money. JM officially suspended St. Lucia
http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/6836/52/



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

Any news how CM is performing in POS?


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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

There is this report today about tourism growth in the Caribbean for this year and I am quite shocked, really shocked as they are predicting that Trinidad and Tobago will lead the region in growth this year. Hold a second here.....tourism was never one of the building blocks of the Trinidad economy. Neither has Trinidad invested in the infrastructure as much as Barbados or Jamaica for that fact where tourism is a huge industry in these respective countries.

I can speak for Jamaica where there is an influx of visitors to this country. 2 million tourist visited Jamaica so far this year. Can some body down there in Trinidad tell me where this sudden influx of tourist will be coming from. I have looked at the number of hotels that are on the mainland and so far in terms of recognize name ...there is the Hyatt which open recently, Hilton Pos, Courtyard and several other locally owned hotels/

Trinidad has a strong economy based on oil and finance
Barbados has a strong economy base on tourism and finance

The economy of Tobago is base on tourism but that island economy is relatively small

I really think this report is false

WTTC forecasts tourism growth in Trinidad and Tobago
Wednesday, 02 April 2008
The World Travel and Tourism Council (WTTC) has forecast that Trinidad and Tobago will lead tourism growth in the Caribbean this year.

It is predicted that overall tourism in the region will increase by 2.3 per cent, with the sector in Trinidad and Tobago registering an 8.4 per cent growth rate followed by St. Kitts and Nevis at 5.6 per cent and St. Lucia at 5.1 per cent.

The Council also projected that the region's travel and tourism sector will generate approximately US$57 billion in revenue this year and account for 12.9 per cent of the region's employment.

This translates into approximately two million jobs.

Puerto Rico was identified as the revenue leader in the Caribbean, with travel and tourism accounting for $10.8 billion.

However, the WTTC noted that the overall growth will level out to an average of 3.2 per cent each year between 2009 and 2018, falling below the world average.


User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5871 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 9):
It will be, where is this a/c gonna come from by the way. Inbound.

Might come from Aloha Airlines. They used them for flight from the Hawaiian Islands to the US West Coast.


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5856 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 5):
I know that we basically want/need money and are willing to accept it from anyone, but in the wider scheme of things, what exactly is in it for Air China to accuire a stake in JM? Does Air China have interest in the region which makes a tie in with some local carrier beneficial to them, or is this just a political "gift" per se? If political, does the Jamaican Govt. really want to just accept money for a troubled airline and move on

It is a deliberate policy of the government to pursue an investor for JM as they want someone with credible airline experience to take over the national carrier. They were quite impress with the situation at Sri Lankan Airlines and Emirates Airlines and felt then that such a situation can happen to JM.

Secondly, Air China is been considered as they have money. lots of it. CA currently flies to YVR, NYC and SFO.
Jamaica was given the designation as a country that Chinese are allowed to travel. Jamaica has been pursuing the chinese vigoriously and they a new embassy in PEK. The last government talked about the difficulty of getting the chinese to the caribbean market as currently all flights will operate via north America.

CA recently joined the star alliance and a presence is the americas is important in its growth.


User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5852 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 13):
Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 9):
It will be, where is this a/c gonna come from by the way. Inbound.

Might come from Aloha Airlines. They used them for flight from the Hawaiian Islands to the US West Coast.

I'm not sure where it's coming from, and even if it will remain a -700...because initially I heard it was going to be a -400 series, and now a -700...so don't be surprised if it changes again. What I do know however, is I heard this talk long before AQ folded.

At the moment, I can't think of what would encourage more tourists to visit T&T. Some countries even have warnings against Trinidad based on the increase in crime.
However, with a booming economy..anything is possible. Who knows, maybe with all these foreign business people visiting, they return with their familes eventually. Business people always have a good first time here. As a matter of fact, when the Carton Savannah opens later this year, it will be the first businessman-guest based hotel in Trinidad.

With the exception of TAB-BGI-TAB, most of CAL's plans seem to be working well. CAL will continue expanding this year, and I know they are still looking for a suitable longer range enhancement to the Dash8-300s. The Q400 talk is not burning off.
Cuaraco has been going around the mangovine too.

By the way, what ever happened to that Jamaican guy in MCO yesterday? What was the device?



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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5846 times:



Quoting Inbound (Reply 15):
I'm not sure where it's coming from, and even if it will remain a -700...because initially I heard it was going to be a -400 series, and now a -700...so don't be surprised if it changes again. What I do know however, is I heard this talk long before AQ folded.

Lets hope it is. It would be fun to see a 737 from AQ with Caribbean on the side.


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5841 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 12):
There is this report today about tourism growth in the Caribbean for this year and I am quite shocked, really shocked as they are predicting that Trinidad and Tobago will lead the region in growth this year.

Leading a region in growth doesn't necessarily mean leading in the number of tourists. Trinidad might as well be the leader in growth in percentages but that doesn't mean they will receive more tourists compared to Jamaica, Barbados (or any other Caribbean island for that matter). Only percentage wise this might be the case. So my question is in which terms is the article referring as being "a leader in the region"? The expected yearly total numbers or percentage-wise speaking?

Another thing is: Who says that the report you read is correct? Like you say, it might be incorrect. In this case the factor is also what research was done and based on what.

Just my view on this.

A388


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5827 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
Leading a region in growth doesn't necessarily mean leading in the number of tourists. Trinidad might as well be the leader in growth in percentages but that doesn't mean they will receive more tourists compared to Jamaica, Barbados (or any other Caribbean island for that matter). Only percentage wise this might be the case.

Valid points.
A copy of the report is here http://www.wttc.travel/bin/pdf/temp/caribbean.html


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5819 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 18):
Valid points.
A copy of the report is here http://www.wttc.travel/bin/pdf/temp/....html

Thanks for the report JM079. I will go through the report when I have the time.

A388


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

http://www.wesh.com/news/15769718/detail.html

The incident yesterday at OIA is quite shocking and even more shocking is the fact that no one in this forum is not even talking about and if his action had materialise then we would all be in a different frame of mind.

I think that we are complacent in thinking that such an event can not happen in our back yard. There was this terrorist attack in Trinidad many years ago when the Parliament and the government was almost overthrown. There are people out there that will try and destabilise our region and all because they have political and religious views that are different from the major of the Caribbean people. It is also because of our laid back way of life.

The Jamaican PM has asked the police to investigate this man and see what he has been up to while he was living here.

If this guy had construct his bomb onboard and detonate it. That would be the end of Air Jamaica and a certain way of life as we know it. The americans are living that experience now.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5775 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 7):
how well is the govt. management of health, education etc? Not having a local carrier is always possible, difference in your case is that JM did have one which actually worked in spite of the problems, doing without something which you never really had is much easier than doing without something which you had and know within your heart you could do.

Regarding our Gvt management of the aforementioned it is not the best. There is always room for improvement but neither is it the worst. At the moment we are seeing improvements where education and health care is concerned but we have quite some way to go. From my research JM has never made 'super normal' profits in all its years of operation. There were profitable periods for a while and near breakeven prior to 9/11 when Butch was Chairman. Since then it has been bleeding billions annually. Not saying they should just fold and call it a day but should we continue to dump tax payers money into a baseless barrel ?



greenheart
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5756 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 21):
Not saying they should just fold and call it a day but should we continue to dump tax payers money into a baseless barrel ?

But they do have a plan. It is quite explicit. They are looking for a new owner with the know how of runnning an airline. They have shifted ministerial responsibility to this guy name Wehby and he is mandated to have the airline ready for divestment by spring of 2009. They are not looking for the sort of divestment as was the case with Mr Stewart who had the money but not the airline experience to make venture a success.

In all fairness to all airlines of the size of JM they can not become profitable unless they either aligned with a major carrier or has a major investor.

Even the great Virgin Altantic that now has a code share with JM. It is part own by SQ. This is all for strategic interest.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5731 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 22):
In all fairness to all airlines of the size of JM they can not become profitable unless they either aligned with a major carrier or has a major investor.

Even the great Virgin Altantic that now has a code share with JM. It is part own by SQ. This is all for strategic interest.

Agree 100%. Yes SQ owns 51% of VIR. And another example could be CMP's affiliation with COA which is working out well for the Panama flag carrier. I think good things are in store for JM when similar arrangements are completed.



greenheart
User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5722 times:



Quoting Inbound (Reply 15):
I'm not sure where it's coming from, and even if it will remain a -700...because initially I heard it was going to be a -400 series, and now a -700...so don't be surprised if it changes again. What I do know however, is I heard this talk long before AQ folded.

the 734, thats suprising considering that they don't want old a/cs, but the 73G would be more likely, as Boeing has some for lease, ILFC will get from AQ's demise also GECAS. There are some 738s for dry lease, but if CAL wants some NGs for the long run then they need to do what they can.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 12):
There is this report today about tourism growth in the Caribbean for this year and I am quite shocked, really shocked as they are predicting that Trinidad and Tobago will lead the region in growth this year. Hold a second here.....tourism was never one of the building blocks of the Trinidad economy. Neither has Trinidad invested in the infrastructure as much as Barbados or Jamaica for that fact where tourism is a huge industry in these respective countries.

Yes POS does not invest in tourism as do BGI and Jamaica, however POS has been making many inroads in the tourism market and will continue to do so. Over the last 2 years, many new seats and destinations have been added to POS and continually growing. What the article says is that POS will have the largest growth percentage wise in number of people and revenue expected from Tourism.



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25 Par13del : My view based on our current situation which I don't see changing any time soon, majority of our local carriers whether private or Govt. owned will a
26 JM079 : ----------------- Perhaps if you were to read these two editorials from Jamaica's daily you will get a sense of what is happening and where JM is goi
27 Post contains links TriStar_500 : Agreed... in the conclusion of the Observer article the following is stated;Before we abandon Air Jamaica, let us put on our thinking cap. We made it
28 Post contains links MAH4546 : FUNDING NEW AIRLINE: Miami-Dade County commissioners are being asked today (4/3) to appropriate up to $196,000 from general revenues to help lure a st
29 Captaink : Don't loose focus fellas, but I thought Cpn Brookes tribute to Caribbean Star was cool..
30 Caribbean484 : Hey guys ATA airlines is gone now, looks like the US economy is having an effect on their airlines, maainly the smaller ones first, so who will be nex
31 Trintocan : Well the considerable turbulence in American skies with the folding of AQ and TZ may well impact on the Caribbean. Although AQ never served the region
32 LIA310 : This may be a good chance for BW to get their hands on some more 738's. ATA have 12 in their fleet.
33 Caribbean484 : True considering all that is going on, many are losing their jobs and homes in the US right now, which is not a good sign of things to come. North Am
34 JM079 : The private owners promoted this concept of something uniquely Jamaican, which it is, no doubt about that but that was just a mask. The concept, if y
35 AA1818 : Yea man. In MIA till Sunday. Im curious too. Reports from someone who was on the first PTY-POS flight from the trade mission was that the Gov't has b
36 Captaink : And those are very nice 737s. I had the chance to fly on one when JM used it over the winter period. BW shouldn't even reconfigure them as they are q
37 Caribbean484 : Hey guys, just checked amadeus, NK will start POS-FLL June 14 daily, departs POS-FLL at 1:30am arrive 5:30am and leave FLL-POS 9pm arrive 12:20am If C
38 BWIA 772 : Caribbean 484 On April 1st AFAIK POS moved to including the departure tax in your ticket instead of paying at the airport. Nice post TriStar_500 glad
39 JM079 : I agree that the losses is grossly intolerable and that the situation should have never been allowed to reach this stage. US$100 million a year is al
40 JM017 : Please, the government put soo much money into JM during Stewart's ownership years that it wasnt funny at all. How many times did they bail the AJAG
41 9YCAL : Mr. Saunders said on a tv interview that CAL would be getting a dry-lease B738 from May. I noticed he did not say for the "summer" period only, so let
42 Captaink : I know that.. i was merely joking and emphazing the fact of how comfortable TZs birds are..
43 Caribbean484 : I know you were, I have never travelled on TZ but AAs are very uncomfortable unless its not full. I do hope they are looking to get 1 or 2 from TZ ca
44 Par13del : Has that option ever been mentioned by any govt. and if so, what was the initial public response.
45 BWIA 772 : Well I have never been on a TZ 738 but I have travelled on both AA and BW 738s both packed to the rafters and the latter was more uncomfortable than
46 Captaink : I have travelled on BW's 738s when they were operating as BWIA, and yes it is pretty tight in there at a config of 154. If i am not mistaken they hav
47 JM079 : News out of KIN this morning is that the government has selected the IFLC to oversees the divestment of JM which should be completed by spring of next
48 9YCAL : CAL POS/CCS/POS route looks like it is doing well. Yesterday 50 pax to CCS today 47pax. I know its only two days but its a start and I hope they get o
49 Post contains links LIA310 : Major airlines to take business to Guyana GEORGETOWN, Guyana, April 3, 2008 Three major carriers are set to enter the Guyanese market this year. Minis
50 LIA310 : MONTREAL — Bombardier Inc. is phasing out production of its Q200 and Q300 Dash 8 turboprop aircraft, made at the company's facility in Downsview, On
51 JM079 : After so many years the Guyanese market will be finally serviced from three major gateways. I think that the Guyanese in Canada will be happy as they
52 LIA310 : Zoom has flown non-stop to GEO from YYZ throughout the year for some time now using their 757's or 767's.
53 JM079 : Yes, they do as well as with Skyservice but as a charter service and that is seasonal service. These flights were promoted by a local tour company ca
54 Caribbean484 : CAL does not service YYZ from GEO, they have to transfer to POS. But it is nice to see more carriers interested in GEO. It is said that American Airl
55 MAH4546 : Miami, of course.
56 Caribbean484 : Guys I have information from my high sources that Caribbean Airlines that they will start 4 weekly POS-FLL this May when their dry lease 737 comes int
57 MAH4546 : It is more important for them to feed into their Miami hub. While not the size of New York, Miami itself, especially Fort Lauderdale, also has a larg
58 9YCAL : Caribbean484, any idea what the fares are going to be like? Also are they getting two B737s, one in May and another to follow?
59 Inbound : Comparing those two above, looks like CAL wins with timing. CAL has more civilised hours, although NK has a daily. I guess it will come down to prici
60 Captaink : I am not so sure about that.. I am fond of NKs timing, gives you the day in FLL to start with. I suppose it also depends on the type of customers tha
61 Beeweel15 : Good times especially for merchants.
62 MD90fan : Many Guyanese are still pouring into South Florida, especially the well-heeled ones, as they can afford to purchase homes nowadays. Like many Caribbe
63 HummingBird : Broward County by itself can support three weekly FLL-GEO.............. Skybus, another one bites the dust............ Gov't starts process to divest
64 MAH4546 : While there are indeed fewer Guyanese flying to South Florida, the ones that are flying to South Florida are wealthier and fly there more often.
65 AA1818 : It's always sad to see a big National Company change to foreign ownership, but from a shareholder's point of view it was the best plan of action. Als
66 Captaink : You may have a point, but what are the demographics of FLL bound passengers? The food thing, though an issue, isn't such a great issue, because Ameri
67 AA1818 : I agree. Price wise I think CAL will struggle to compete. On the supply of pax point though, perhaps the demand is greater than we think. AA's 2x dai
68 Captaink : I have done POS/MIA only 2 I think and yeah it was full, and those were days when it was on the 757s. So maybe the two stations can coexist. Let's ho
69 AA1818 : I believe there are charter flights. But as to their regularity or frequency I don't know. Apologies if this has been posted here before but I found
70 Caribbean484 : Travelspan and Constellation are both operating there, Travelspan is out for a while and Constellation is still doing weekly service to FLL. Yeah the
71 Caribbean484 : No nothing yet. With the current plans it will not start for sometime to come because they will be using all their a/c to max utilisation as is. For
72 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Well if the entity that emerges from this merger follows the same path of First Caribbean Bank (CIBC and Barclays Caribbean) it will be another super
73 Caribbean484 : BW520 is usually booked on all flights and yes its one of those red eyes. CAL is planning an ad campaing with the tourism authority to promote the ne
74 AA1818 : NK won't match the luggage allowance. Company policy is company policy. That's their business model and it seems to work! They will catch CAL on fare
75 MAH4546 : AA considers POS part of their South American network. AA flights to POS have meal services, as do AA flights to BGI. Every single AA flight in their
76 HummingBird : LIAT early at Easter USUALLY CRITICISED for being late, LIAT says it recorded its top time performance last month %u2013 the best in several years. Ch
77 Caribbean484 : They do have the service as it is considered an integral part of their network. This part of the regiona, BGI, POS more precise has been successful t
78 AA1818 : From AA's Admiral's Club Lounge @ MIA Terminal D. It's definitely a whopping sum, but it's normal for an airline that is undergoing restructure. I don
79 Caribbean484 : Yeah, it became unpopular to the Jamaicans and we see how it is turning out for them. Trinis are more of the toruble makers and will become a problem
80 9YCAL : I hope that you guys are right concerning meals out of POS with AA. I did the unholy thing of booking with them instead of CAL because I am travelling
81 AA1818 : MIA was great. Apparently its snowing in Cambridge now and yesterday I was on South Beach with some friends- go figure how dissappointed I am to leav
82 Caribbean484 : They cut the schedule by more than 1/3 to KIN and MBJ Jan this year. JM has 3 daily from each destination to FLL. I don't travel AA to POS anytime so
83 Bw415 : What is the meal you are referring to?..I am yet to receive a meal on these flights! Serving a snack that you pay for as far as I'm concerned is not
84 BWIA 772 : I think your treatment is due to your status with Advantage!! How come you just did not do MIA LHR?
85 Caribbean484 : Yeah it is a competition and the first to go will be the charter airlines that operate there with their weekly service. I too would like to see the c
86 Akizidy214 : St Lucia is a Caribbean destination, not a South American destination for AA. Only first class passengers get free meals on both the MIA and JFK flig
87 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Most of 8B fleet were second hand Dash 8s the only new planes were the Q300s which were sold!! LI took over 8B leases of the second hand aircraft, pl
88 Caribbean484 : Yes it is, besides the narrow tube its a new a/c with more powerful engines, operating costs of the Q400 NextGen airliner, already among the lowest,
89 HummingBird : The "arm chair" CEO never saw this coming.....NK needs a thorough study of their Caribbean VFR markets.....I have no hope in the longevity of the POS
90 MAH4546 : AA will resume Miami-Antigua after not operating the route for seven years, on 20 November 2008: AA1907 MIA 1100-1500 ANU 738 Daily AA1906 ANU 1615-18
91 Caribbean484 : Thanks for the update MAH4546, nice to see that, I believe they stop in SJU currently and then unto ANU on the 757. They really never saw it coming,
92 Bw415 : Firstly.. decide on which aircraft you're speaking about... CRJ or ERJ.. they aren't the same.. and the ERJ's will certainly be out of the question d
93 Caribbean484 : Sorry I'm talking about the RJs in general, ERJs and age and efficiency please explain. Yep it has been doing well, but if you read my post I was tal
94 Trintocan : Over-capacity to BGI? That sounds very interesting seeing that BGI is one of the largest routes from POS. What flight is BW 444? Additionally, please
95 OA260 : Will be great to see a UK-Guyana air link . Its been a long time coming.
96 BW985 : That flight connects perfectly with the daily BA codeshare flight BGI-LGW. With a bit of marketing in the UK that flight could perform well, even tho
97 A388 : I assume you are referring to the ERJ145? Even this aircraft isn't old. Please explain the efficiency part..... What makes a regional jet more sensit
98 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Fleet acquired from 8B V2 LFF manufactured in '96 acquired by star in 2000 V2 LGD manufactured in '93 acquired by star in 2004 V2 LGC manufactured in
99 Bw415 : This is an old aircraft in the scheme of things if you are talking about replacing a fleet that is not that old with technology that is not even 10 y
100 Post contains images Beeweel15 : Hope you made your flight. We could have met here at JFK. Could not have said it better myself. Glad to see the JM 340, 6Y-JMM, still flying around.
101 A388 : Cool down... Where did I say BW was to replace the Dash-8 with a regional jet? If any airline opts for a regional jet it is for regional operations a
102 Caribbean484 : Nice photos Beeweel15, when exactly is she leaving. Bw415, Caribbean Airlines will never use their 737s for such a short flight sector, as to why BWI
103 Bw415 : Quite calm thanks. I assumed that because you asked the above you needed clarification............................ You asked......... ---------------
104 HummingBird : Caribbean Aviation News.... AIRLINES operating out of Barbados are recording an increase in online bookings. But contrary to what may be touted, don't
105 A388 : Wrong assumption from your part but okay anyone can make mistakes. Let's drop this regional jet discussion as it brings us nowhere. A388
106 WestIndian425 : I've had the "pleasure" of flying with the Evil Empire a few times MIA-POS while going to visit family and friends. They werenice to me, but I'm wond
107 Caribbean484 : This regional jet discussion is great for us me thinks. No one here is an technical expert so by us having to politely disagree with each other will
108 Bw415 : I disagree.. running from debate is not the point of this forum.. I'm not asking anyone to agree or disagree with me either.. but these instances are
109 A388 : I'm not running away from anything, it was your replies that gave me the impression that you were not open to the possibilty of regional jet operatio
110 AA1818 : I guess so. Platinum does have its AAdvantages! (pardon the pun!) I prefer STN to LHR. And for the record, Stansted is NOT IN LONDON...it's 30 mins t
111 BWIA 772 : Fleet replacement will be entirely dependent on how well the fleet operates if break downs etc becomes excessive then LI will have to look but in the
112 Caribbean484 : Hey guys, POS-FLL is now bookable on CAL's website. Fares start from US$180 both ways.
113 MD90fan : I heard this: Basically there are rumors that UP sent off some pilots to train on a next generation aircraft...
114 HummingBird : Caribbean Aviation News Miami passengers left stranded The 4:00 pm Cayman Airways flight from Miami was temporarily cancelled on Thursday, 3 April due
115 AA1818 : Great fares. They need to update their route map soon if those flights are starting in May! AA1818
116 Orl777 : Hello, I have a Question I want to know the Loads of the new Caribbean Airlines flight from Caracas to Trinidad, and how is the possibilities of that
117 Caribbean484 : Well I can't give the actual load factor, however they have been improving for last month, more so out of CCS they are full for the next 2 weeks from
118 Post contains links and images HummingBird : Air Jamaica's woes Last week's Sunday Observer revealed that Air Jamaica had lost a staggering $171 million US on revenues of only US$413.3 million in
119 LIA310 : Its been mentioned in another thread on the forum that Zoom will begin flights to GEO from LGW. But what has not been mentioned in articles is that af
120 Post contains links AA1818 : WOW- I hadn't realized that under the Gov't ownership, JM was doing so much worse than under Butch. I suppose privatization can't come quickly enough
121 Caribbean484 : WOW thats a huge loss for JM, and I agree that divesting JM is the best thing other than shutting Down the airline. With fuel prices as high as they
122 LIA310 : Zoom's POS-YYZ service is year-round but I'm not too sure of the frequencies. I believe it's also once weekly but during the busy periods it operates
123 Caribbean484 : Its once per week Tuesday on a 763. As I have been told by some sources, CAL plans to be aggressive with NK on this route and not take them lightly.
124 HummingBird : ...... " The major constraint affecting the overall financial performance of the company is its inability to align its cost structure with revenues.
125 AA1818 : Already found a partner? IFC really worked fast for JM!! Give us a clue as to who it is...pleseeeeeeeeeee!!! Great! Thanks for the update. In the mea
126 Fly2YYZ : Correct, this flight is once a week via the 763. Zoom also operates once weekly KIN via the 767 and also GEO which in may will be operated once a wee
127 WestIndian425 : Wait...I thought ZOOM was a Canadian airline? How could they do that? Openskies? Here's where I'm really out of the loop. LOL...
128 HummingBird : Too many technicalities are involved ....The new owner is deep pocketed and will take the airline to new heights..... My pleasure...The current fleet
129 LIA310 : It's probably Zoom UK thats doing these flights. They operate with UK registered aircraft
130 Fly2YYZ : Zoom is a Canadian Airline, but there is also the sister airline Zoom UK which operates flights from the UK to the US (JFK/FLL/SAN) and now GEO-POS
131 AA1818 : Okay see if you can at least answer these questions 1) is the new 'owner' a single private investor (for eg. Allen Stanford/ Richard Branson etc) or
132 BWIA 772 : Unions in our region are too short sighted IMO they appose change at every step for the sake of apposing they are lucky that KIN does not have the mo
133 9YCAL : The only reason I would like to see Spirit in Trinidad is for the ridiculous specials they offer. That is something they would have to rely on to comp
134 Caribbean484 : I agree with you here BWIA772, the unions in this region just don't understand what changes it will take for our carriers to become viable and profit
135 Fly2YYZ : I thought that CAL offers fares that are much more expensive to the charters, at least from a Canadian standpoint. At least from what I'm seeing. Wit
136 AA1818 : Good point. I forgot about XL. They do have a loyal customer base and fly in twice a week. Im sure that the Zoom flight will focus more on GEO pax. T
137 Caribbean484 : As of right now, its difficult to get the lowest fares available on CAL as their POS-YYZ flights are in extremely high demands. From what I know, Sky
138 WestIndian425 : See? Told you I was out of the loop!
139 9YCAL : Skyservice serves POS twice weekly with a B752. During peak times they may use their A330 on the route one of the days.
140 LIA310 : Trinidad Express
141 AA1818 : Cheers for that. To this day I have never seen a Skyservice a/c when i'm at POS- I think i've seen just about everything else! hehe AA1818
142 Caribbean484 : I have seen an Skyservice A320 and A330 some times in POS about 3 years ago. But I saw more of Zoom and their weekly service.
143 JM079 : In the past Skyserive has used the 330 during the busy summer months but in the winter it is the 320. Currently, they are using the 757[Edited 2008-0
144 AA1818 : Next time i'm home I definitely need to get out to Piarco and do some more spotting! I still haven't seen DL or CM metal in POS, and by the time I ge
145 Caribbean484 : Yeah I hope when I am home for a few days in the summer I can do some spoting at POS. I will be great since I have not been home for 2 years and want
146 AA1818 : When I get home on June 20th it would have been 6 months and 10 days since I was last in Trini- that's too long in my opinion....I can just imagine t
147 Caribbean484 : Yeah Man I enjoy a Joy's Roti up there. But its too far to keep travelling all the time from Miami. I want to try CALs new FLL-POS too so that will b
148 Caribbean484 : Hye AA do you or Inbound have any info on CAL and where the 738 will come from? Any new routes and additional fleet?
149 LIA310 : Its too bad NK will arrive and depart in the darkness so no chance for spotting unless you got a caffeine problem...LOL
150 AA1818 : NO specific info. I keep hearing many possible destinations and routes being mentioned by my sources, but nothing we haven't heard before. Grenada in
151 WestIndian425 : Well I haven't seen COPA yet, but I've managed to jumpseat on DL to POS already. Expect the "Wavy Gravy" paint schemed 738's and probably without win
152 2travel2know : CM flies to POS w/E190. For them their B737 are too precious to use to fly to several destinations.. see why KIN or PAP haven't gotten more frequenci
153 A388 : All those Caribbean destinations CM flies to and still no CUR! A388
154 Post contains links AA1818 : http://caribbean-airlines.com/au_news.shtml Formal announcement of what we already know, however the wording of "Caribbean Airlines will launch its ne
155 Caribbean484 : I saw it today too an was wondering if this will be an additional a/c for them or short term lease, lets see what happens next month when it arrives.
156 AA1818 : Yea I think they are highly successful ex YYZ and JFK. MIA seems to be steady. But AA takes the lion's share there. Let's hope they can kill NK ex FL
157 Caribbean484 : All I have heard is that it will be a dry lease, from both Saunders on the TV6 morning edition and from sources within the airline. But maybe Inbound
158 Inbound : You know news is scarce when you guys come to me for answers hehe. Your sources usually provide you with a lot more information than I get most of the
159 Caribbean484 : I know right, but is this permanent or just for the summer, I got this info since the end of February from good sources. You and me both man but this
160 HummingBird : I will send you a PM next week....... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
161 JM079 : Skyservice will start once a week nonstop flight to Guyana beginning June 30 from Toronto. This was announced today and it seems that this is an earli
162 HummingBird : Good news for Guyana.........Aviation has taken a precedence in Guyana since the county has been experiencing strong economic growth......The flight
163 JM079 : Yes, I thought about that too and I had talked about earlier the lack of a modern airport that is of international standard and I see where the gover
164 AA1818 : Cheers! I really appreciate that! Who is helping them finance? I'm not doubting you, but I know very little about Guyana. What is fuelling the growth
165 Fly2YYZ : Zoom as of May will be switching from the 767 to the 757 as well, so there will be two 757s a week making an appearance.
166 Post contains links Captaink : Well the economy is not booming, but it has been doing better than pre 1999 days. That is to say before 1999, they had huge external debt, After 1999
167 Caribbean484 : Most of Guyana's debt was wirtten off by IADB, IMF and POS within the last few years, thus making the country's economic growth. Also, eco tourism is
168 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/tou...nas-tourism-efforts-are-paying-off The growth in the Guyanese economy is as a result of promoting eco-tourism.
169 Caribbean484 : They really need to upgrade the airport, with a lack of propper ILF, NDB and VOR, coupled with a small runway and inefficient facilities will harm an
170 JM079 : It is something that they recognize and that is why the IADB is providing funds for the airport development.
171 Caribbean484 : Hey guys I have some stats for October 2007: Trinidad and Tobago airline,Destination, pax, seats, loads factor Caribbean Airlines: POS-JFK, 12090, 149
172 AA1818 : Everytime I ask about this route I get told 'it's hugely successful'. 55% is NOT successful. Somone is getting KILLED by AA...perhaps JM can learn a
173 BWIA 772 : So what about to BGI JFK with JM and AA its the only route to North America that has competition from BGI! IMO ATL to the greater caribbean is a rout
174 Caribbean484 : Spirit Airlines: KIN/MBJ-FLL, 14658, 17856, 82.09% Any route below 60% is not doing well yes, but reduce capacity will make it better for JM. It reall
175 JM079 : Interesting Statistic What is the source of that info?
176 Caribbean484 : ok Now for the others: airline,Destination, pax, seats, loads factor Barbados: Air Jamaica, BGI-JFK, 6126, 9376, 65.3% BGI-FLL, 404, 3000, 13.5% Ameri
177 Post contains links Caribbean484 : All sources are from the US Department of Transportation. They are 99.1% accurate. If you all want to see: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_Sele...D=2
178 Bw415 : I really couldn't stop laughing at this.. in fact I'm still laughing!.. For the month they managed to not even fill 3 planes!.. No further questions
179 Caribbean484 : BW415, I was trying to make sure that there was not any missing data, I had to check about 5 times to make sure, but the data is 99.1% accurate so th
180 BWIA 772 : Was anything less expected? well 415 I think it is time that we meet up in POS during summer so you can make more predictions take some photos and ha
181 Caribbean484 : Lol, BWIA772 you something else yes, but yes the GEO market is still not that great, but it is improving somewhat with their Eco-tourism and VFR in t
182 JM017 : Is this a typo? yeah, they clearly didn't do much analysis of route potential here. Almost as if they thought: "Hey, South Florida to caribbean. Wher
183 WestIndian425 : I really don't think DL's JFK-POS route will be killed. For starters, DL's service is better than the Evil Empire's, secondly, the afternoon flight p
184 AA1818 : What about PHL? As I said before, my source seemed certain that IAD was on the cards for expansion. Who knows, perhaps it can be done successfully wi
185 WestIndian425 : US Airways had to switch the UVF route from PHL to CLT, for whatever reason. In my opinion, PHL is right in the middle and close enough to the D.C. a
186 HummingBird : MIA has been streamlined....Flights, staff and staff hours has been reduced.........Flights are operated as a VS codeshare... FLL now has 6 daily fli
187 AA1818 : So 4 planes are in maintenance...isn't that a lot at one time? 4 out of 14 is almost 30% of your fleet. I assume the data on the net is still accurat
188 LIA310 : CLT: Charlotte, North Carolina Just today Air Jamaica cancelled JM90 (JFK-BGI-KIN), JM79 (KIN-YYZ), JM78 (YYZ-KIN) and JM10 (JFK-MBJ). Thats alot of
189 JM079 : It is true that these aircrafts are out to be serviced but what has not been mentioned is North American Airline currently is providing service behal
190 JM079 : If you were to look at there flight schedule you will see that these flights are reschedule to operate another time today and under different flight
191 BWIA 772 : I am rather disappointed by the above statement! CAL is not West Indies Cricket , as the former has proper infrastructure, financing, human resources
192 Post contains links JM079 : SIA (www.mbjairprt.com) in Mobay is nearing completion and the Spanish company who owns it has expressed a sense of satisfaction on its progress so fa
193 Caribbean484 : Why are these flights cancelled? maintenance? JMs reorganisation is good but they are not that good yet, JM is expected to loose another US$200m this
194 Caribbean484 : Lmao, I love you guys here, the West Indies cricket team need an exorcism, because prayers are not doing enough for them with the Aussies coming to t
195 JM079 : This is the downtime that JM pull its planes out of the schedule for serving as it is neither high or shoulder season. They do this twice a year and
196 HummingBird : JM has 6 A321s and 8 A320s....April and May are considered soft travel months....Most carriers will schedule maintenance so as to have a seamless sum
197 Caribbean484 : Both JM and BWIA pilots are flying in the middle-east airlines as they have experience of flying the A340 series all which have commom cockpits. It c
198 Post contains links Caribbean484 : Part33 Hey guys please continue discussion at Part 33 link above.
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