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HA Looking For More 717s  
User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8792 times:

Haven't seen anything from the searches on this and it is sorta off topic from the AQ ceasing ops thread, but HA is looking for more 712s to fill the void from AQ direct from an email from HA CEO Mark Dunkerley:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...cle?AID=/20080401/NEWS01/804010365

They have a team looking at acquiring more, but no set timeframe. Looks like they will stick with the 712 as much as possible rather than adding a new fleet type. Are there any 712s out there available now or in the near future?

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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

well as people have mentioned countless times before, bangkok and AirTran might be the best options for them. After seeing what was going on today at HNL, I think its obvious they need more capacity. I had tyhought of applying to get work there before thinking first of the AQ workers who need the jobs more than I would at this point in time.


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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8776 times:

Well, maybe HA should possibly do what I wished AQ could've done... Get them E-jets.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

They'd be much better off dry leasing some MD-80s instead of anything other than a 717. MD80s are larger, but there is enough traffic between HNL and OGG, for example, to make having 1 or 2 work out, at least now that AQ is shut down.


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8573 times:
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Good morning all!!

Far as I know, there are a limited number of 717 stored at Marana from Bangkok Air since last Christmas when it made the flight of return from BKK to MZJ via PIK.

I don't know the situation of these airframes. Are there someone in this forum to tell me something about those aircrafts?

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

Pembroke has 4 ex Impulse/Qantaslink/Jetstar/Qantaslink 717's stored at ADL awaiting a customer


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6049 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8241 times:

I don't know about now, but last I checked, there was a bunch of ex-TWA 717's at VCV.


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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

The sticking points would be ... how many would HA lease? for how long? do they have enough pilots & f/a's?



Would be interesting to see an ex-Bangkok Air 712 with HA titles ... or any other 712 for that fact ...

Isn't OA getting rid of theirs?

I don't think FL would be letting their 712s go ... they picked up 2 of HA's 712s a few yrs ago.



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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7764 times:



Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 7):
Isn't OA getting rid of theirs?

They already did. I believe they went to Aebal and/or Bangkok Airways.

I wish OA still had them though.

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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

I never understood why OA got rid of them. they were the most modern, efficient aircraft in the whole OA fleet!

As for Hawaian didnt they initially have more 717s but returned some to the lesser or to Boeing? I want to see the 732 still flying the islands but no chance of stuck up hawaian making use of one of Alohas great little machines is there?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7701 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):

HA returned 2 717s to the lessor IIRC.

Nothing about HA being stuck up - your obvious biased is showing in every post you make . . .

HA survived, AQ did not.

Good for HA, bad for AQ.

Tossing barbs at HA isn't going to solve AQs problem. Especially when HA had nothing to do with it.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

yes very good for HA, so let those at HA stop pretending they are going to miss Aloha!! its a bit hard to swallow. I note Aloha is not the only one round here to be 'knocked off their perch',

User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7627 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Nothing about HA being stuck up - your obvious biased is showing in every post you make . . .

HA survived, AQ did not.

Good for HA, bad for AQ.

Tossing barbs at HA isn't going to solve AQs problem. Especially when HA had nothing to do with it.

Yes, I agree ANCFlyer.

Orion is an interesting guy. He used to complain abut the 732s age and constantly ask when they would be replaced, usually referring the AQ243. Now hes sad the 732s are gone. What gives?

-Aloha!



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7619 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
I don't know about now, but last I checked, there was a bunch of ex-TWA 717's at VCV

Most of those were grabbed by FL a long time ago. IIRc, Bankok Airways has at least 2 Ex-TW 717s in its fleet.

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 2):
Well, maybe HA should possibly do what I wished AQ could've done... Get them E-jets.

Maybe AQ should've ordered the 717 to replace their 732s the same time HA replaced their DC-9s. Keep in mind that the E-jets were still paper planes back in 2000/2001.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
They'd be much better off dry leasing some MD-80s instead of anything other than a 717. MD80s are larger, but there is enough traffic between HNL and OGG, for example, to make having 1 or 2 work out, at least now that AQ is shut down.

Could someone from HA confirm this: Way back when, HA had some MD-80s but returned them because they weren't suited for the rigors of short inter-island hops (might be a similar reason why the 737NG isn't suited). OTOH, HA's older DC-9-50s (which was what the 717s replaced) were fine.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

Aloha73G, I love the 732 and I am glad Aloha stuck with that robust machine but just wondered why they had no plans for replacing it. Also i have a great amount of respect for you, seeing you quoted in an article and seeing just how devoted to Aloha you really were. Im sad but you must be heartbroken. I think we should all be able to mourn for as long as we like.

Also Aloha73G I would have thought you were offended by the harsh remarks of ANCFlyer stating coldly, HA survived, AQ did not, well yes we know that ex moderator but we can still mourn them and discuss them.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7460 times:



Quote:
They'd be much better off dry leasing some MD-80s instead of anything other than a 717. MD80s are larger, but there is enough traffic between HNL and OGG, for example, to make having 1 or 2 work out, at least now that AQ is shut down.



Quote:
HA had some MD-80s but returned them because they weren't suited for the rigors of short inter-island hops (might be a similar reason why the 737NG isn't suited).

Both the 737-200 and 717's are very well suited to inter-island hops - their engines cool down rapidly after the short segments. The 737NG's do not - which is why AQ tried them but suffered problems with them.

Someone familiar with MD80's will need to comment on whether this plane could function as a larger version of a 717 (for the extra capacity it would provide) or if it would be like a 737NG - unsuited for island hopping.



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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7251 times:

A problem with taking on some MD-80s is it doesn't have comonality with their current fleet. Their pilots would require a seperate type rating to fly them.

According to airfleets, there are 4 717's in storage, the rest are "active".


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

IIRC, on a previous thread HAL commented that the MD-80s nearly bankrupted the airline when they had them. If so, then MD-80s would certainly not be the answer today.

HAL will stick with getting more 712s. I don't think they'll start looking at replacement options for those for a few years yet.


User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

Don't be surprised if Airtran unloads some 717's and HA takes a few. You heard it here first.

User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7119 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 16):
A problem with taking on some MD-80s is it doesn't have comonality with their current fleet. Their pilots would require a seperate type rating to fly them.

I might have mis-spoke. I guess they may have the same type-rating after all with some limitations. But there is more than just type-rating when it comes to commonality issues. Adding a new aircraft to a fleet isn't always the best idea because of this.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23077 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6962 times:



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 4):
Far as I know, there are a limited number of 717 stored at Marana from Bangkok Air since last Christmas when it made the flight of return from BKK to MZJ via PIK.

It was one... MSN 55064, ex HS-PGP. It's now with JK as EC-KNE

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 5):
Pembroke has 4 ex Impulse/Qantaslink/Jetstar/Qantaslink 717's stored at ADL awaiting a customer

I show only three stored, MSNs 55001, 55002, and 55151 (VH-NXB, C, and F with NC; VH-VQA, B, and C with JQ).

FWIW, the only other 712 stored is the test aircraft, MSN 55000, N717XA, which is probably at BFI but may be somewhere else.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6932 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
FWIW, the only other 712 stored is the test aircraft, MSN 55000, N717XA, which is probably at BFI but may be somewhere else.

I wonder if that one is even an option to put into passenger service.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6572 times:



Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 21):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
FWIW, the only other 712 stored is the test aircraft, MSN 55000, N717XA, which is probably at BFI but may be somewhere else.

I wonder if that one is even an option to put into passenger service.

Wasn't that particular aircraft (a prototype IIRC) scrapped a couple years ago?



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

If HA can't get any 717s, then I too think that some E175s would be a great fit, maybe even the E190/195. They can darn near put as many people in the E195 as they could in their 717s. I just don't know how well suited the E195 would be on such short flights.


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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5888 times:
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):


Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 21):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
FWIW, the only other 712 stored is the test aircraft, MSN 55000, N717XA, which is probably at BFI but may be somewhere else.

I wonder if that one is even an option to put into passenger service.

Wasn't that particular aircraft (a prototype IIRC) scrapped a couple years ago?

The prototype aircraft has been scrapped. There are 3 or 4 parked in Australia, but one is damaged.





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25 Dacman : The prototype MD-95 (717-200) is still here at Long Beach parked on the old commercial flight ramp. She is not in flying condition but still here. It'
26 Super80 : Ummm..... If the MD80 is not a right aircraft.... maybe HA should talk to NWA and pick up some of their DC9s for now at least. =)
27 TVNWZ : Actually, I believe FL has already said they might sell some older 717's. Heard it here second?
28 Surfrider1978 : why dont they grab some Q400's?
29 ThreeIfByAir : HA is in a "good" predicament. Too much demand, not enough capacity in the market, and reasonably high barriers to entry. I'm sure Pembroke and HA ar
30 Aloha717200 : Islanders don't like props.
31 CFMitch56 : Are there any airfields that are too short for an MD-80 but accommodate the 732 and/or 712? I would imagine that the MD-80 can do almost any strip a 7
32 BR715-A1-30 : Dunno when you last "checked" but FL snatched up the majority of these in early 2003 I believe FL picked those 2 up as well. I wouldn't doubt it if F
33 TrijetsRMissed : If no more 717's are available, then I think HA should consider giving SV a call about their MD-90's. Remember, SV's MD-90's were equipped with an upg
34 727forever : It works great for the DL shuttle operation. The passengers love it, particularly because the aft airstairs allow for quick deplaning. It handles the
35 Wjcandee : Well, they used to use them so they know the economics of them. Flew on one in the late 1980s that I recognized them to have taken from American Inte
36 Cubsrule : There's no question that there are some routes that FL flies for which the 712 is the most appropriate aircraft, but there are plenty of 712 routes (
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