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Airlines And Carlsbad Airport (CLD)  
User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

I live right next to CLD and love being able to fly UA out of that airport, even though it means going through LAX. But now that US airways is gone, which means our PHX trip now requires us to go out of SAN, are there any other airlines looking to fly out of CLD? It would be really interesting to see someone like Hawaiian Airlines serve CLD with a stop over in LAX of course, with the amount of people in encinitas and carlsbad who fly to Hawaii you never know, but I was thinking Skywest could fly for DL to LAX since DL has a pretty good size amount of flights out of LAX.... is it just not profitable enough?

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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

I give up on US/Mesa. However, once the terminal is done the end of next year, I would expect more flights from Palomar Airport to cities and hubs around the west. US should, by now, have three flights to PHX and two to LAS but they do not seem to care about this little airport stuck between two airports that are bursting at the seems (SAN & SNA).

Hopefully, in the future, I think we'll see flights to SFO is on United Express and DL to SLC. Can an RJ make it off of CLD's short 4900' runway (and remember, there is an incline) to somewhere such as SLC? That runway needs to be level for a decent operations with RJ's I think.

Anyway, Q400's would be perfect for this airport. A good addition would be QX's Q400's to SMF.

Regarding terminal expansion...

http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/dpw/engineer/pdf/mcpaltermdescript.pdf
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The white line represents a 7000' runway. All this would require quite a bit of fill.

[Edited 2008-04-02 10:52:27]


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5959 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3647 times:



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 1):
Can an RJ make it off of CLD's short 4900' runway (and remember, there is an incline) to somewhere such as SLC?

Sure. The real question is: how much can they takeoff with during X month?



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3540 times:

CLD is now what the NIMBY residents of Burbank, Long Beach, and Orange County (most specifically Newport Beach) would like their airports to be - too small for any commercial operations other than perhaps EM2's to LAX. But of course, it would be open to all the corporate jets in the area...

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Skywest could fly for DL to LAX since DL has a pretty good size amount of flights out of LAX

True, but I don't think SkyWest can fly services for two different airlines on the same exact route. SkyWest flies BFL-SLC and BFL-DEN in CR2's, but different routes for different airlines.

As for the RJ's situation, the neighbors will be VERY vocal in their opposition to the extension of a runway to provide for larger plane service. Like Miramar MCAS flying over La Jolla, this area of California coast will not accept more planes taking off over their heads.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

I'm wondering if AS/QX might not try something out of CLD. They have the Q400s in So Cal and they are constantly ad'g about how many airports in California they serve (15 I think now?) so if they can figure out a route or 2 from Palomar...

For example, QX now has Q400s flying between Santa Rosa and Vegas so maybe Horizon could work in a LAS-CLD-LAS r/t in conjunction with the STS-LAS-STS turn. They would not of course have the connections thru LAS that US potentially had but they would certainly have PDX and SEA available, plus the O&D traffic as far as LAS.  scratchchin  Unfortunately, SJC is, I believe, the only Bay Area airport that QX flies turboprops out of and that would probably not be a terribly popular destination from N. County (certainly not as attractive as SFO.)

Maybe it would even be worth QX doing a LAS-CLD-LAX//LAX-CLD-LAS trip once a day this summer...

Anyone think that eventually F9/Linx might be in position to extend one of their routes out to So Cal and connect CLD with DEN?

(BTW, speaking of QX and the greater SAN-area, I just noticed that they are dropping the SAN-GEG service that they started last fall to "kill XE".  Smile QX gave up their SAN-BOI-SAN flight months ago. And last time I checked, XE was still running 2x daily in each market. Hmmmm, another fight-to-the-death by the Alaska Group in San Diego!  Yeah sure )

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User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3478 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Thread starter):
It would be really interesting to see someone like Hawaiian Airlines serve CLD with a stop over in LAX of course, with the amount of people in encinitas and carlsbad who fly to Hawaii you never know

It would be very interesting... Actually, if you can get Hawaiian to land a 767 on a 4,000 foot runway, I will fly out there for the inaugural service!  Wink



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Having flown out of CLD on King Air's, I love that bump at the end of the runway. Now, would I want to fly on anything larger out of CLD - only if I'm into thrill rides.

User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3468 times:



Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 5):
It would be very interesting... Actually, if you can get Hawaiian to land a 767 on a 4,000 foot runway, I will fly out there for the inaugural service!

No, no, 767 is way to much capacity, I'm sure they could do it with a 73G they would be sure to buy of Aloha.  Big grin I can dream too!

In all seriousness though, I guess I could see QX go into CLD or maybe a return of YV to PHX, but right now I think the player with the most potential in that market is Vision Air with service to VGT, assuming they get their passenger certification of course..



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3430 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
As for the RJ's situation, the neighbors will be VERY vocal in their opposition to the extension of a runway to provide for larger plane service.

I know we would be one of them, as much as i love flying out of CLD the randome corporate jet over our house during the day is loud enough to not want a few CRJ's per day flying over, we our outside of the usual flight path but for some reason we get a few corporate jets flying over

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 5):
It would be very interesting... Actually, if you can get Hawaiian to land a 767 on a 4,000 foot runway, I will fly out there for the inaugural service!

Haha obviously a 767 won't work, they would have to get something like an EMB-120 or work with a regional carrier.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5959 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3401 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
but I don't think SkyWest can fly services for two different airlines on the same exact route. SkyWest flies BFL-SLC and BFL-DEN in CR2's, but different routes for different airlines.

If there were the case, they would never be able to fly SFO-SLC, SLC-DEN, SLC-LAX, SLC-ORD, or ORD-CVG for both UA and DL, which is not true.

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
as i love flying out of CLD the randome corporate jet over our house during the day is loud enough to not want a few CRJ's per day flying over

So you'll take the sound of a random chain-saw over the sound of a scheduled blow dryer?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Oooops, sorry Coronado; I just now noticed that you had already mentioned QX as a candidate for CLD. What do you think of the LAS idea? SMF could make some sense as well although they don't currently have any Q400s flying out of there.

(US Airways sure doesn't seem to be very interested in San Diego County in any way, do they... What a shame and I think a real lost opportunity for them.)

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3350 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
True, but I don't think SkyWest can fly services for two different airlines on the same exact route. SkyWest flies BFL-SLC and BFL-DEN in CR2's, but different routes for different airlines.



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
If there were the case, they would never be able to fly SFO-SLC, SLC-DEN, SLC-LAX, SLC-ORD, or ORD-CVG for both UA and DL, which is not true.

Skywest used to be not able to operate from a UA hub city for another carrier except to the other carriers hub. So flights to SLC from UA hubs were possible, but no feeder cities into LAX.

But that limit was removed a few months back. It would now be possible for Skywest to fly to LAX for 2 different airlines if someone else wanted to create a regional operation at LAX.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5959 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3329 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):

Skywest used to be not able to operate from a UA hub city for another carrier except to the other carriers hub. So flights to SLC from UA hubs were possible, but no feeder cities into LAX.

That is not exactly what was said. SkyWest could operate hub to hub flights all they wanted (or, how central scheduling at the mainline wanted it,) as long at they were not flying for another carrier hubbed at that city. So, no Frontier in Denver, or American in LAX.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
But that limit was removed a few months back. It would now be possible for Skywest to fly to LAX for 2 different airlines if someone else wanted to create a regional operation at LAX.

The limitation is still there at the hubs. However, UA removed LAX from this list for SkyWest in exchange for UA shooting themselves in the foot by closing down the remote terminal, and then reducing Brasilia flying.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3308 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):
The limitation is still there at the hubs. However, UA removed LAX from this list for SkyWest

Thanks for correcting my poor wording, I should have made it clearer that the limitation was removed for LAX not others.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3257 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 1):
Can an RJ make it off of CLD's short 4900' runway (and remember, there is an incline) to somewhere such as SLC?

Sure. The real question is: how much can they takeoff with during X month?

They couldnt get too far with a respectable payload.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 1):
That runway needs to be level for a decent operations with RJ's I think.

Not completely. Yeager's main runway is at a slight incline.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 1):
The white line represents a 7000' runway. All this would require quite a bit of fill.

They could probably get to most western hubs with 6500 or so. Just a rough estimate.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
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What happened to Vision Air? Will they reinstate CLD once they get authority for scheduled flights?

I think if CLD extended their runway to 7000 feet, you would probably see G4 there with MD-80's.

As for QX, I think they would only fly the Q400's to LAX, considering it's their hub. I suppose it would be possibility that Q400's would fly CLD-LAS, strictly for local traffic...based on the STS argument.

However, QX may have other cities in mind throughout CA like perhaps SCK, VIS, MOD.


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3173 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Thread starter):
It would be really interesting to see someone like Hawaiian Airlines serve CLD with a stop over in LAX of course, with the amount of people in encinitas and carlsbad who fly to Hawaii you never know

Umm, we know.......no!


User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3140 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Anyone think that eventually F9/Linx might be in position to extend one of their routes out to So Cal and connect CLD with DEN?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! I like your thinking!!!  crossfingers   hyper 



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3058 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
(US Airways sure doesn't seem to be very interested in San Diego County in any way, do they... What a shame and I think a real lost opportunity for them.)

What are you talking about? US has already publicly said it wants to fly DCA-SAN if it can get rid of the perimeter rule.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2939 times:



Quoting A330323X (Reply 18):
US has already publicly said it wants to fly DCA-SAN if it can get rid of the perimeter rule.

Sorry A330', I just came across your reply in this thread.

You are right that SAN was actually mentioned in the PR about the proposed bill. So I tell you what: IF the bill ever passes, and IF they (US) actually do start new service between Lindbergh Field and DCA, I will not only be thrilled, but I will also remove the "in any way" from my statement in Reply 10.

That would be the first "positive" from US since they started (and actually continue to fly) 1x weekly (seasonal) RJ service to [u]both]/u] PVR and SJD! (Amid a much larger list of "negatives" since then.)

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