IFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 3 Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32277 times:
The news it out. ATA will officially end flying, charter and scheduled service. For ATA's many employees, and loyal customers and fans, this is devastating news. More details will come out as the day goes on.
I will never forget what this company has done for me, and how it has shaped my life. Cheers to ATA, 1973-2008.
From it's press release (http://www.ata.com/about_ata/news/20080403.pdf):
Despite its financial challenges, ATA continued to seek solutions for its scheduled service business and create value from its longstanding presence in the Hawaii market and its planned international expansion. But these efforts suffered a major blow recently when ATA received abrupt and unexpected notification from FedEx Corporation that ATA would no longer be a member of the FedEx Teaming Arrangement. This arrangement gave ATA a significant share of the airlift contracts under the International Program of the Department of Defense Air Mobility Command, which facilitates transportation for military personnel and their families to and from overseas destinations.
This arrangement accounted for most of ATA’s charter business. Even though ATA had been a member of the FedEx team for nearly two decades, FedEx informed ATA that it would be denied membership on the FedEx Team for the government’s 2009 fiscal year – a period that begins in October 2008 and runs through September 2009. This termination is a full year earlier than the term specified in a letter of agreement between FedEx and ATA.
ClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 31912 times:
Shocking! Just a couple of days ago (friday) I saw an ATA DC10 taking off from LEJ. The plane flew right over me driving on the highway. It was a wonderful sight. When reading the headline of this thread I spontaneously had to think about Tower Air. Two interesting and well established airlines that are gone. ATA at times was a regular in my hometown Berlin bringing NFL teams with their TriStars for pre-season games to town.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4189 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 31788 times:
It's very sad news indeed. How about the US Troops transportation from now on? Can ATA continue those in some way? Or will other carriers take into this business? I saw an ATA B753 on such a flight at SNN just 2 weeks ago.
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
ClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31727 times:
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 10): It's very sad news indeed. How about the US Troops transportation from now on? Can ATA continue those in some way? Or will other carriers take into this business? I saw an ATA B753 on such a flight at SNN just 2 weeks ago.
Well I guess North American might get a bigger stake in that business from now on. And don´t forget Evergreen.
N587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31707 times:
Quoting Bwohlgemuth (Reply 8): Only thing they could find in IND is with Republic...looks like they are hiring. Otherwise, most of the Customer Service people should be able to find jobs pretty quickly.
A lot of them did go to RP/Chatauqua then they closed IND.
This is hitting me really really hard guys/gals.
I was a F/A there for 2 years in MDW. Although I hated the company(mostly inflight management and the way we were treated in MDW) it hits really close to home here.
I think myself and IFlyATA posted about the same time, because I searched and didnt see anything about it so I posted, sorry about that IFlyATA. I still know a lot of people at ATA even though I left there 6 years ago. It is so sad, you have no idea how I feel right now. I think Im still in shock. I just got off the phone with a good friend of mine who stayed and was based in indy as a F/A but she left and took the furlough when they closed the base. She's now a Crew Scheduler for CHQ. She doesnt exactly like the job but she does like the company she is now working for. We sad on the phone for probably an hour. I think were both in shock right now!!!!
And I dont think its the shock of them shutting down...its the shock of it was so sudden
AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3676 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31322 times:
I want to offer my most heartfelt condolences to everyone over at TZ. I know that I have ribbed on you all, but I never wanted it to come to this. My only hope is that we (WO) take a couple of your DC-10's and then your crews can come as well. Union issues aside you're all welcome here. I had really hoped that the demise of AQ would mean the resurgence of TZ, but I Have been proven wrong. Good luck to you all.
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
LN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31319 times:
Oh no .... this is terrible .... my heart goes out to you, all former colleagues .... even though ATA laid me off in SEA, they let me carry on as a contract rep and I had a fantastic year and a half working charter flights all over the world. Even though management was below par, I was part of a wondeful group of people who always will have a place in my heart.
- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
: Sidenote, did ATA or does ATA still have their business jet, I think it was a Lear, but I have a picture of it from when I was flying through the midw
: Agreed !! Don´t forget World, they will take over some flights, too. North American maybe ? Northwest and Continental might be interested in the 757
: This will have a devastating effect on Mainland US to Hawaii travel. We are already dealing with the shutdown of Aloha Airlines and now this, while mo
: What kind of aircraft did they use ? 757s ? If so might HA be interested in picking them up ? Afterall they already have 767s in their fleet !
: It, along with the Bell were sold many years ago.
: All the a/c will be sent back to leasers. My guess is the -10's will go to World, the 753's CO will like to have. 752's to Fedex. 738's are pretty muc
: This is indeed a very sad news. I was in the US. last year an saw several of the ATA fleet. Think the coloursheme was one of the most beautyfull of al
: CO is very interested. Part of our original deal with ATA was to pick up all 12 of their 753 fleet. Maybe now CO will take the 4 remaining. Hopefully
: Thanks ATA for many years of memorable flights to fun destinations. You'll be missed.
: Another long around airline dying and soon to be dead. Fuel costs going up, older, less fuel efficient and heavy MX demanding a/c being used by these
: This news is stunning. Three US carriers ceasing passenger operations in the same week. You can't love aviation and enjoy a week like this. I know at
: Sorry if this has already been posted, but what does this mean for WN codeshare flights to Hawai'i? I ask because I've been stocking up on WN RR Point
: No, the Obama charter was moved to North American, he has been flying on their equipment for about a week now. Hillary also was moved but I believe s
: TZ's 757s are all Rolls-Royce engined, so I seriously doubt that DL would be interested in them, despite their ETOPS capabilities. Of US carriers tha
: I extend my best wishes to the entire ATA staff and the best of luck in landing on their feet in terms of a job and getting beyond what must be a diff
: Not likely for DL for the 752's since TZ's are RR powered and DL has PW. 753's to CO are a possible if financing is available/lease can be worked. Th
: WOW, I really don't know what to say anymore. And to think, if Oil hadn't his $110 UA would have funded an AQ/TZ merger. Its amazing how fast everythi
: So the DOD turned the lift over to the 'FedEx Team'? Now FedEx does a Tonya Harding to ATA's kneecaps so they cannot get DOD contracts.....but now Fed
: Sounds like someone's been watching Countdown with Keith Olberman lately...!
: Even though I saw this coming this still comes as a shock. I'm very saddened by it. A few years ago ATA flew 757's from DCA to MDW, departing around n
: Very interesting perspective on that. And the funny thing is, when you really think about it it makes total sense! If in fact that was FX's intention
: I can see SCY making it, the summer will be tough but they have too many casino contracts in the winter. NA is another issue, I think they will strug
: Do you think SWA will be interested in TZ's 757's for Hawaii operations? If I am not mistaken, TZ's 757 fleet is fairly young. I live in Maryland and
: I'd think they would get their 737s ETOPS certified (Can they make the flight from the west coast?) I bet they go on with one or two more carriers, t
: Ok, so the wife and I were slated to fly TZ from DFW to MDW r/t on April 12-13. Do any of you think I have a prayer of getting either UA or AA to hono
: Looks like the fleet is heading towards the mainland - http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/AMT Would Virgin America be able to tackle these Hawaii fligh
: I cant believe it I am still in shock. Although I never flew them they were a nice airline to work with especially when they did sub services for us.
: According to the local radio news here in NY, none of the reservations or tickets will be honored, so you are screwed. Sorry...
: How is the condition of thier remaining L-1011´s? Didn´t they make a D-check recently? Will they be scrapped or are their any chances that they will
: I also want to offer my condolences to any TZ people reading this. I was laid off from another company several years ago, and it was ATA who picked me
: There has to be more to this story... FedEx's elimination of ATA from the FedEx Team (and thus elimination of that revenue stream) doesn't happen for
: I am only shocked because of the sudden-ness of it all, but not because it happened. Not to make light of what this will do to the ATA employees (bes
: Hard to accept ATA shutting down! I've had many a good experience with their L10's over the years and recently have enjoyed seeing their D10's and jus
: Too bad. TZ provided a great product, especially in the pre-9/11 days. I flew ATA several times, and I loved their 738s... some of the most comfortabl
: Really sad. The blood bath is just beginning IMO. Expect to see more and more of these threads as the year progresses. My guess it'll stay there unles
: I'm holding out that all the L1011s will find new homes. The -500s certainly have niche markets for the right buyer, they're not the most fuel deficie
: Very well said! Enough of this "its Ok to raise fuel prices as long as MY fare doesn't do up ....."
: I at least got a ride on a L1011 nine years ago on an Am-bast*rd-Air charter out of FWA. It was hilarious seeing 200+ pax in that tiny baggage area. T
: Agreed! It will be interesting to see who picks up the slack up in Bangor, Maine. Omni International sends DC-10s through there, and others as well.
: http://video.nbc5.com/player/?id=236193 Great little video, doesn't give ATA good press but I thought the images were great. Going to miss them.
: It was 6 years ago this week I interviewed with them..they were at their peak then..so this leaves MDW without service to which cities? DFW for one ri
: I know CO will get the 757-300's and possibly the 757-200's as they are in desperate need of those a/c. The DC10's could be transfered to World and th
: A bit flabbergasted, but when did we lose Aloha?!! That's big news to me, considering I've never flown to Hawaii, but considered them sometime last ye
: AA would be wise to grab up a few more 757s if they could get their hands on them, particularly for NE Brazilian routes. As for the 738s, they'll sta
: ATA had just recently leased out their DCA and LGA slots to Airtran. What will happen to that deal?
: Wow this was a surprise. Good luck to all the ATA employees! I am not sure how WN let this happen and what is going to happen to all their Hawaii code
: For once, I must admit that I agree with you, something from this story is missing. Hopefully we find out more in short order. My condolences to all
: TZ hasn't been a large player in IND for a few years now.
: Did TZ RON a/c out of base (i.e. HNL, LIH, etc...?) I remember the stories of how Braniff waited until their last a/c was in the sky before filing ban
: Source?? How can this be a surprise, the writing was on the wall for the past several months..One can only cut back so far, until nothing is left.
: I really hate how poor management affects the employees and families on such a large scale as this. ATA has a 35 year history and that amounts to expe
: Huh? I don't think Southwest "let" this happen. Southwest did not own or manage ATA Airlines. They had a code-share agreement. A number of factors -
: Sad news indeed. I have a friend on an internship there. Best of luck to all former ATA employees!
: FedEx let this happen, not WN. NW decided that they wanted more AMC business and FedEx gave it to them and told TZ that they were SOL.
: They didn't lease them, they told the DOT they couldn't use them anymore. The DOT awarded them to FL. ATA made no money on that deal. ZERO.
: Northwest probably won't want them either... Man, why did FE kick out ATA from the "Team"? I don't really understand what really went on.. It all hap
: Not coming to us, the courts will decide where the airplanes are going. I am thinking to the desert and that's where they'll stay. I am sure WO will
: Who's next? Aloha only made their announcement 4 days ago. That's two airlines in less than a week! This is not looking good! The government better st
: Hawaii just lost 2 players in the last week. Aloha and ATA. This makes the Hawaii Pacific market much stronger for those who are left.
: Sad to see ATA go. I remember watching their 727s and 757s come into MDW. My best wishes to all of the TZ employees.
: Other airlines would probably accept these tickets on a standby basis. They have always done that as a courtesy when airlines shut down operations. T
: actually the root cause of this airline mess is becasue the govt did exactly that back in 2002. The Airline Stabilization Board is partly responsible
: Yes, I would expect at least UA and US to add LAX-HNL/OGG, LAS-HNL and PHX-HNL/OGG. But not much.... evidently these were not gold mines. They were t
: Culling of the herds . . . it was bound to happen . . . the gov't should NOT and won't do anything about the natural progression of a business . . .