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ATA Ceases All Operations  
User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32577 times:

The news it out. ATA will officially end flying, charter and scheduled service. For ATA's many employees, and loyal customers and fans, this is devastating news. More details will come out as the day goes on.

I will never forget what this company has done for me, and how it has shaped my life. Cheers to ATA, 1973-2008.


ATA - an honestly different airline.
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User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 329 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32613 times:

Here we go again. First AQ, now TZ.

I've flown TZ many times to and from Hawaii and although they weren't my favorite, they were convenient. I wonder who's next?

[r][o][n]
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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32539 times:
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Very sad indeed.......AQ, TZ and Champion Air..... Sun Country furloughing staff. That leaves Ryan and North American as the survivors ( for now)..........


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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32472 times:

This is really sad news. I didn't expect anything as drastic as this. I hope there aren't more big names to follow.

Not only have we lost Aloha and ATA, but from an enthusiast's point of view the USA has lost the B732 and L1011.

What a sad week for aviation and the hobby.


User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32478 times:

Wow... can't believe how sudden that was. ata.com says that it lost its AMC contract. I thought it came out of the "penalty box" yesterday? What happened?


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User currently offlineBwohlgemuth From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32460 times:

This is brutal. TZ was one of our largest customers in Indy, there are some good people who are going to be devastated by this news.

TZ is/was still my favorite airline to fly....sad days indeed.


User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32391 times:



Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 4):
What happened?

From it's press release (http://www.ata.com/about_ata/news/20080403.pdf):

Despite its financial challenges, ATA continued to seek solutions for its scheduled service business and create value from its longstanding presence in the Hawaii market and its planned international expansion. But these efforts suffered a major blow recently when ATA received abrupt and unexpected notification from FedEx Corporation that ATA would no longer be a member of the FedEx Teaming Arrangement. This arrangement gave ATA a significant share of the airlift contracts under the International Program of the Department of Defense Air Mobility Command, which facilitates transportation for military personnel and their families to and from overseas destinations.

This arrangement accounted for most of ATA’s charter business. Even though ATA had been a member of the FedEx team for nearly two decades, FedEx informed ATA that it would be denied membership on the FedEx Team for the government’s 2009 fiscal year – a period that begins in October 2008 and runs through September 2009. This termination is a full year earlier than the term specified in a letter of agreement between FedEx and ATA.



ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32326 times:

Very unfortunate.  cry 

Farewell ATA.  brokenheart 

Good luck to all TZ employees. I hope you all find jobs soon!  crossfingers 



Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
User currently offlineBwohlgemuth From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32251 times:



Quoting MX757 (Reply 7):
Good luck to all TZ employees. I hope you all find jobs soon!

Only thing they could find in IND is with Republic...looks like they are hiring. Otherwise, most of the Customer Service people should be able to find jobs pretty quickly.


User currently offlineClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32212 times:

Shocking! Just a couple of days ago (friday) I saw an ATA DC10 taking off from LEJ. The plane flew right over me driving on the highway. It was a wonderful sight. When reading the headline of this thread I spontaneously had to think about Tower Air. Two interesting and well established airlines that are gone. ATA at times was a regular in my hometown Berlin bringing NFL teams with their TriStars for pre-season games to town.

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32088 times:

It's very sad news indeed. How about the US Troops transportation from now on? Can ATA continue those in some way? Or will other carriers take into this business? I saw an ATA B753 on such a flight at SNN just 2 weeks ago.


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User currently offlineClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32027 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 10):
It's very sad news indeed. How about the US Troops transportation from now on? Can ATA continue those in some way? Or will other carriers take into this business? I saw an ATA B753 on such a flight at SNN just 2 weeks ago.

Well I guess North American might get a bigger stake in that business from now on. And don´t forget Evergreen.


User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32007 times:



Quoting Bwohlgemuth (Reply 8):
Only thing they could find in IND is with Republic...looks like they are hiring. Otherwise, most of the Customer Service people should be able to find jobs pretty quickly.

A lot of them did go to RP/Chatauqua then they closed IND.

This is hitting me really really hard guys/gals.

I was a F/A there for 2 years in MDW. Although I hated the company(mostly inflight management and the way we were treated in MDW) it hits really close to home here.

I think myself and IFlyATA posted about the same time, because I searched and didnt see anything about it so I posted, sorry about that IFlyATA. I still know a lot of people at ATA even though I left there 6 years ago. It is so sad, you have no idea how I feel right now. I think Im still in shock. I just got off the phone with a good friend of mine who stayed and was based in indy as a F/A but she left and took the furlough when they closed the base. She's now a Crew Scheduler for CHQ. She doesnt exactly like the job but she does like the company she is now working for. We sad on the phone for probably an hour. I think were both in shock right now!!!!

And I dont think its the shock of them shutting down...its the shock of it was so sudden


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32023 times:

Sad news, I always saw them in FRA in the Eighties with their B707s when I began my spotter career, IFRC always on Sundays...


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User currently offlineCrjfixer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 31963 times:

how will this affect World Airways? are they not owned by ATA?

User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31927 times:

What does this mean for Southwest Airlines?

User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31909 times:



Quoting Crjfixer (Reply 14):
how will this affect World Airways? are they not owned by ATA?

Nope, they are owned by Global, just like ATA was.

Quoting Asteriskceo (Reply 15):
What does this mean for Southwest Airlines?

It means they need to hurry up with their ETOPS certificaton!



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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31878 times:

ATA took me too and from Iraq (Kuwait actually) for two deployments. Always had a great, professional crew. I wish them all well and a big thanks from all of us military folks they took care of.

How many 757s does ATA have? Any guesses as to who will be first in line to buy them up? What shape are their planes in?



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7694 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31855 times:

They also have L1011 and DC10's.

IMO the future for them, (and their crews) do not look rosy.


User currently offlineNZA320 From New Zealand, joined May 2007, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31816 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 17):
How many 757s does ATA have?

ATA Fleet: 12 737-800s, 10 757s (6 752 4 753), 6 DC-10s (2 stored), 6 L1011 (4 stored)



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User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31783 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 17):

How many 757s does ATA have?

6 B757-200 (N514AT, N517AT, N518AT, N519AT, N520AT, N522AT)
4 B757-300 (N550TZ, N552TZ, N560TZ, N561TZ)



ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31778 times:

Yikes, another shutdown  Sad

This is such sad news, I really feel sorry for all those employees!

I was hoping to fly AQ to Hawaii this year too, pity I can't now.



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User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31678 times:

I did many a military charters while I was at ATA. The military guys/gals were always the best pax you could ever have. I have many many memories of those flights while I was at ATA!

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31622 times:
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I want to offer my most heartfelt condolences to everyone over at TZ. I know that I have ribbed on you all, but I never wanted it to come to this. My only hope is that we (WO) take a couple of your DC-10's and then your crews can come as well. Union issues aside you're all welcome here. I had really hoped that the demise of AQ would mean the resurgence of TZ, but I Have been proven wrong. Good luck to you all.


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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 31619 times:

Oh no .... this is terrible .... my heart goes out to you, all former colleagues .... even though ATA laid me off in SEA, they let me carry on as a contract rep and I had a fantastic year and a half working charter flights all over the world. Even though management was below par, I was part of a wondeful group of people who always will have a place in my heart.

-Andreas



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25 Flyboy7974 : Sidenote, did ATA or does ATA still have their business jet, I think it was a Lear, but I have a picture of it from when I was flying through the midw
26 Columba : Agreed !! Don´t forget World, they will take over some flights, too. North American maybe ? Northwest and Continental might be interested in the 757
27 HALFA : This will have a devastating effect on Mainland US to Hawaii travel. We are already dealing with the shutdown of Aloha Airlines and now this, while mo
28 Columba : What kind of aircraft did they use ? 757s ? If so might HA be interested in picking them up ? Afterall they already have 767s in their fleet !
29 TPA36R : It, along with the Bell were sold many years ago.
30 TPA36R : All the a/c will be sent back to leasers. My guess is the -10's will go to World, the 753's CO will like to have. 752's to Fedex. 738's are pretty muc
31 L1011CPH : This is indeed a very sad news. I was in the US. last year an saw several of the ATA fleet. Think the coloursheme was one of the most beautyfull of al
32 MX757 : CO is very interested. Part of our original deal with ATA was to pick up all 12 of their 753 fleet. Maybe now CO will take the 4 remaining. Hopefully
33 AnsettB727 : Thanks ATA for many years of memorable flights to fun destinations. You'll be missed.
34 LTBEWR : Another long around airline dying and soon to be dead. Fuel costs going up, older, less fuel efficient and heavy MX demanding a/c being used by these
35 VictorKilo : This news is stunning. Three US carriers ceasing passenger operations in the same week. You can't love aviation and enjoy a week like this. I know at
36 Luv2cattlecall : Sorry if this has already been posted, but what does this mean for WN codeshare flights to Hawai'i? I ask because I've been stocking up on WN RR Point
37 IFlyATA : No, the Obama charter was moved to North American, he has been flying on their equipment for about a week now. Hillary also was moved but I believe s
38 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : TZ's 757s are all Rolls-Royce engined, so I seriously doubt that DL would be interested in them, despite their ETOPS capabilities. Of US carriers tha
39 Cactus742 : I extend my best wishes to the entire ATA staff and the best of luck in landing on their feet in terms of a job and getting beyond what must be a diff
40 DualQual : Not likely for DL for the 752's since TZ's are RR powered and DL has PW. 753's to CO are a possible if financing is available/lease can be worked. Th
41 Aloha73G : WOW, I really don't know what to say anymore. And to think, if Oil hadn't his $110 UA would have funded an AQ/TZ merger. Its amazing how fast everythi
42 Hiflyer : So the DOD turned the lift over to the 'FedEx Team'? Now FedEx does a Tonya Harding to ATA's kneecaps so they cannot get DOD contracts.....but now Fed
43 Luv2cattlecall : Sounds like someone's been watching Countdown with Keith Olberman lately...!
44 Contrails : Even though I saw this coming this still comes as a shock. I'm very saddened by it. A few years ago ATA flew 757's from DCA to MDW, departing around n
45 Lexy : Very interesting perspective on that. And the funny thing is, when you really think about it it makes total sense! If in fact that was FX's intention
46 NIKV69 : I can see SCY making it, the summer will be tough but they have too many casino contracts in the winter. NA is another issue, I think they will strug
47 Ourboeing : Do you think SWA will be interested in TZ's 757's for Hawaii operations? If I am not mistaken, TZ's 757 fleet is fairly young. I live in Maryland and
48 ShannoninAMA : I'd think they would get their 737s ETOPS certified (Can they make the flight from the west coast?) I bet they go on with one or two more carriers, t
49 AWACSooner : Ok, so the wife and I were slated to fly TZ from DFW to MDW r/t on April 12-13. Do any of you think I have a prayer of getting either UA or AA to hono
50 Post contains links Vivavegas : Looks like the fleet is heading towards the mainland - http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/AMT Would Virgin America be able to tackle these Hawaii fligh
51 Beeweel15 : I cant believe it I am still in shock. Although I never flew them they were a nice airline to work with especially when they did sub services for us.
52 FFlyer : According to the local radio news here in NY, none of the reservations or tickets will be honored, so you are screwed. Sorry...
53 L1011CPH : How is the condition of thier remaining L-1011´s? Didn´t they make a D-check recently? Will they be scrapped or are their any chances that they will
54 Chase : I also want to offer my condolences to any TZ people reading this. I was laid off from another company several years ago, and it was ATA who picked me
55 Wjcandee : There has to be more to this story... FedEx's elimination of ATA from the FedEx Team (and thus elimination of that revenue stream) doesn't happen for
56 FreequentFlier : I am only shocked because of the sudden-ness of it all, but not because it happened. Not to make light of what this will do to the ATA employees (bes
57 WorldDC10 : Hard to accept ATA shutting down! I've had many a good experience with their L10's over the years and recently have enjoyed seeing their D10's and jus
58 FWAERJ : Too bad. TZ provided a great product, especially in the pre-9/11 days. I flew ATA several times, and I loved their 738s... some of the most comfortabl
59 TN757Flyer : Really sad. The blood bath is just beginning IMO. Expect to see more and more of these threads as the year progresses. My guess it'll stay there unles
60 Irobertson : I'm holding out that all the L1011s will find new homes. The -500s certainly have niche markets for the right buyer, they're not the most fuel deficie
61 LongHauler : Very well said! Enough of this "its Ok to raise fuel prices as long as MY fare doesn't do up ....."
62 Bwohlgemuth : I at least got a ride on a L1011 nine years ago on an Am-bast*rd-Air charter out of FWA. It was hilarious seeing 200+ pax in that tiny baggage area. T
63 ChrisNH : Agreed! It will be interesting to see who picks up the slack up in Bangor, Maine. Omni International sends DC-10s through there, and others as well.
64 Post contains links B757capt : http://video.nbc5.com/player/?id=236193 Great little video, doesn't give ATA good press but I thought the images were great. Going to miss them.
65 EXAAUADL : It was 6 years ago this week I interviewed with them..they were at their peak then..so this leaves MDW without service to which cities? DFW for one ri
66 MCOflyer : I know CO will get the 757-300's and possibly the 757-200's as they are in desperate need of those a/c. The DC10's could be transfered to World and th
67 AA767LOVER : A bit flabbergasted, but when did we lose Aloha?!! That's big news to me, considering I've never flown to Hawaii, but considered them sometime last ye
68 CrAAzy : AA would be wise to grab up a few more 757s if they could get their hands on them, particularly for NE Brazilian routes. As for the 738s, they'll sta
69 Quickmover : ATA had just recently leased out their DCA and LGA slots to Airtran. What will happen to that deal?
70 AJMIA : Wow this was a surprise. Good luck to all the ATA employees! I am not sure how WN let this happen and what is going to happen to all their Hawaii code
71 Syncmaster : For once, I must admit that I agree with you, something from this story is missing. Hopefully we find out more in short order. My condolences to all
72 Burnsie28 : TZ hasn't been a large player in IND for a few years now.
73 Davidlc3 : Did TZ RON a/c out of base (i.e. HNL, LIH, etc...?) I remember the stories of how Braniff waited until their last a/c was in the sky before filing ban
74 AirCop : Source?? How can this be a surprise, the writing was on the wall for the past several months..One can only cut back so far, until nothing is left.
75 AA767LOVER : I really hate how poor management affects the employees and families on such a large scale as this. ATA has a 35 year history and that amounts to expe
76 TN757Flyer : Huh? I don't think Southwest "let" this happen. Southwest did not own or manage ATA Airlines. They had a code-share agreement. A number of factors -
77 Airbuske : Sad news indeed. I have a friend on an internship there. Best of luck to all former ATA employees!
78 AirTran737 : FedEx let this happen, not WN. NW decided that they wanted more AMC business and FedEx gave it to them and told TZ that they were SOL.
79 B757capt : They didn't lease them, they told the DOT they couldn't use them anymore. The DOT awarded them to FL. ATA made no money on that deal. ZERO.
80 LASOctoberB6 : Northwest probably won't want them either... Man, why did FE kick out ATA from the "Team"? I don't really understand what really went on.. It all hap
81 AirTran737 : Not coming to us, the courts will decide where the airplanes are going. I am thinking to the desert and that's where they'll stay. I am sure WO will
82 RJ777 : Who's next? Aloha only made their announcement 4 days ago. That's two airlines in less than a week! This is not looking good! The government better st
83 Flighty : Hawaii just lost 2 players in the last week. Aloha and ATA. This makes the Hawaii Pacific market much stronger for those who are left.
84 Mexicana757 : Sad to see ATA go. I remember watching their 727s and 757s come into MDW. My best wishes to all of the TZ employees.
85 Flighty : Other airlines would probably accept these tickets on a standby basis. They have always done that as a courtesy when airlines shut down operations. T
86 EXAAUADL : actually the root cause of this airline mess is becasue the govt did exactly that back in 2002. The Airline Stabilization Board is partly responsible
87 Flighty : Yes, I would expect at least UA and US to add LAX-HNL/OGG, LAS-HNL and PHX-HNL/OGG. But not much.... evidently these were not gold mines. They were t
88 ANCFlyer : Culling of the herds . . . it was bound to happen . . . the gov't should NOT and won't do anything about the natural progression of a business . . .
89 Efcar98 : and Transmeridian and Pace
90 Apache323 : ATA did my R&R flight on my first deployment to Iraq, I flew on the L-1011 from Kuwait to DFW and back at the end of my leave also on their L-1011 it
91 Avek00 : For the time being, the government needs to stay out of this, and let this process of consolidation continue based upon market forces.
92 LASOctoberB6 : How could I ever forget T9... They left in 2005 I belive..
93 AA767400 : Not really. Those TW birds are fairly young still, and with different engines. But they do have the same configuration of door exits. Back to topic.
94 Mauiman31 : Blessings and best wishes to the ATA family. Awful. What about WN's code-share? If someone is booked on an ATA flight but did it with WN. On their web
95 AirlineBrat : Sad news. I had the privilege of flying TZ in 1985. My mother sent me to Club Med in Martinique for my 21st birthday. I'll never forget the flight dow
96 Ikramerica : True, but Hawaii was so over served, even now it's overserved. CO, DL, AA, NW, US, UA, AS, HA to/from which includes non-hub flying for some of them.
97 SRT75 : The West Coast-Hawaii market is dominated by the discount vacation traveller. Full planes, low-profit. I would be suprised to see the legacies adding
98 MasseyBrown : Mesa? The score is now: Bankruptcies - 5 Mergers - 0
99 Pensacolaguy : Warning Signs..Indeed Shouldn't be to much of a "shock" to everyone.. Another one bites the dust.. I never flew them.. Who's next? Your job in the av
100 BP1 : At the Phoenix Symposium last week, I asked the question to the panel: "If an airline is ready to shut down and there are NO other alternatives except
101 BP1 : In regards to aircraft... Are the US 757's Rolls Royce? Cheers, BP1
102 LASOctoberB6 : Us Airways? Yes. You missed out, man..
103 InTheSky74 : I believe US and CO have Rolls Royce engines.
104 Post contains links B757capt : Pace is still in business! www.paceairline.com OH boy thats all we need, its bad enough people are predicting what airlines are dead but now we are s
105 B757capt : What are the DC-10, L1011, and 738 tail numbers? I got the 757's from above 6 B757-200 (N514AT, N517AT, N518AT, N519AT, N520AT, N522AT) 4 B757-300 (N5
106 MMEPHX : next...Alitalia? why should the Government step in? Free Market economy. If the market can only support a small number of carriers/reduced capacity t
107 Cloudy : It has been done. I wouldn't rule out Southwest going to the islands eventually, probably to some place(s) other than Honolulu. A lot of existing leg
108 AirCop : So is #4586 HNL-PHX scheduled to arrive at SkyHarbor in 10 minutes the last scheduled commerical flight for ATA? It appears that OAK is the big loser
109 Ikramerica : It's the same thing as an anti-competitive bail out by the government, just a different entity doing it. For example, if EK were to come in and buy a
110 Post contains images Bruin787 : Unbelievable. And we just had one of their DC-10's charters at LAX not too long ago. Terribly sad news.
111 IFlyATA : Yes, last one to arrive with scheduled passengers.
112 Post contains links B757capt : Looks like one going to OAK as well. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMT7408
113 XJETFlyer : Like I said, Dropping like flys. Next!
114 SLCUT2777 : WN will stay strictly with the 737 line. DL picked up a few of TZs ETOPS 752s a few years ago, and they are P&W powered I believe. Perhaps DL will no
115 F9Animal : This is just the beginning. These airlines are not even filing bankruptcy and operating like most do. They are filing and closing doors. The criminal
116 RJFlyer0891 : I predict that many, if not all of these tails will be joining CO's fleet in the near future
117 IADCA : This is getting to be quite a fun armchair CEO/economist/Nostradamus thread. I'll add my half a cent. The common pressures we see in sinking TZ and AQ
118 Mke717spotter : Yikes...First Aloha, then Champion, and now ATA? This is all starting to come fast and furious now. I must admit this one took me by surprise. I never
119 Bwohlgemuth : I work in telecom...their call center was in IND on the north side of the field. I haven't talked to them in a while so things may have changed in th
120 Galapagapop : Wonder if this changes the supposed plan to start International flying in 2009 for WN?
121 FATFlyer : Allegiant's fleet is 1/3 owned free and clear, 1/3 being purchased with loans due over the next 4 years, and 1/3 on operating/capital leases. Their l
122 Catdaddy63 : Would AA be interested in the 752's? After returning the PW powered ex TW frames they are probably short. They could also pick up the 738's as well. T
123 MX757 : 753- Likely 752- Not very likely
124 FalconBird : Not a good time to start a new airline, is it?
125 F9Animal : How did G4 end up in this mix? Allegiant is chugging along fine, and they have a heck of a team working for them. ATA just did not have the capital t
126 Post contains links and images SAN787 : Wow! Watched the last ever Aloha 737 land in San Diego a couple days ago. Now, the airline I grew up with vanishes thru the night. I flew my first Boe
127 United_Fan : Very sad news. I wonder what will happend to the ex-NW -10's ? Didn't they just c-check an L-1011? Shame. I reckon these wide-bodies will be scrapped
128 TN757Flyer : This has always been mere speculation. WN has "hinted" at it. TZ was their avenue for international flying, but until we see better economic times, I
129 FlyMD : What a shame. ATA was a great airline and was one of my favorites in the 90's and beginning of this decade. They really provided a great service. I do
130 SFOnative : I second this question. Flew VX from JFK to SFO for the first time a couple weeks back and absolutley fell in love with their product. First time I h
131 Qantas744ER : This one makes me very very sad! Still remember the great 753 flight MDW-SFO in 2000 when i was 8 as if it was yesterday. Great flight and i remeber t
132 LAXintl : Looks like ATA has zero plans to reorganize or try to sell any remains of the airline. In a petition today they filled to reject and return all aircra
133 Chase : True there was no service to IND, but TZ still had headquarters here so still had a lot of staff, thereby affecting the local economy, and was at lea
134 FATFlyer : IADCA in reply 119 brought up small airlines like G4 and F9 that he sees as vulnerable like ATA. My support to the ATA employees, I had a couple of f
135 Bwohlgemuth : If it's ATA reflection time... I work in telecom (I know...another wannabe), but TZ was one of our major customers in IND for a good while. Had many g
136 Wjcandee : What sunk TZ was the loss of the profitable military charter business. What makes no sense to me is why they decided to pull the plug rather than fig
137 Bwohlgemuth : Just some theories... Cost of the legal battle. Lack of cash. Lack of appreciable investments. The company isn't that greatly in the hold (assets & l
138 Cubsrule : Why do you think the MDW hub was worthless? It didn't last, but to argue that it adds 'nothing' seems disingenuous. Interesting perspective (as is th
139 AF022 : Does TZ own those 738s or are they leased? I think they lease some 752s and own the rest, but I think all the 753s are leased (from Boeing?).
140 PDXCessna206 : Skybus, Aloha, and ATA. This is sad. Who is next?
141 AirTran737 : I wish Skybus was one. I think you mean Skyway. You also forgot Champion.
142 MakeMinesLAX : Seems like a no-brainer to me. IIRC, the deal for the 8 753s involved CO's sending some 738s to TZ. Maybe those will return... My money's on FX for t
143 UA2162 : Wow! This is another blow for the Hawaii tourism sector! Not a good week for me, as well. Up until last month I was working at AQ contract services ha
144 Bobnwa : TZ does not outright own any aircraft. they are either leased or purchased with loans which are not paid off.
145 EA CO AS : No. They don't have ETOPS certification, and their aircraft don't really have the range for economical Hawaii operations.
146 RJFlyer0891 : We have a LOA in the current contract that extends preferential hiring/interviewing of ATA crewmembers...so please pass this along to any ATA pilots
147 AndrewUber : Yes, ship 164. Due to come out of VCV today. She's been on North American for a short while now. Someone once said "Do you know how to get $10 millio
148 AirTranTUS : 20% of the airlines serving Hawaii have gone this week. That is no where near 20% of capacity though. I would peg the capacity change at around 10-15
149 GuamVICE : How awful! For those that live in LAS, you all know that she parks just north right outside the airport connector tunnel. I passed her this morning on
150 EA772LR : Excellent post I'm guessing SY to go next, but who knows??
151 N1120A : I wonder if CO picks these up.
152 Surfrider1978 : i was booked to HNL on apr 12....this sucks!!!!!
153 Manfredj : Not trying to be rude, but if there is a "next," I hope it's a major. We need one large airline to go bankrupt to create some demand in the U.S. marke
154 HALFA : Or someone else. HALFA
155 AWACSooner : Ok, so I've gotten two different answers. Can someone please let me know what my options are? My wife and I were slated to fly r/t on TZ from DFW to
156 National757 : What a great idea! Let's put thousands of people out of work..that'll really help our economy.
157 Surfrider1978 : Does anyone know if some airline is honoring TZ tickets. The website has nothing other than liks to puchase from all other carriers?
158 Chrisair : It depends on who you booked the tickets with. If you booked via ATA, try and get an interline ticket from AA or someone. I know TZ has interline agr
159 UA2162 : If who I think you're referring to is in fact true, this would be great news. Maybe we'll see a new heavy at KOA?
160 Manfredj : It would if you thought about it. Sorry, but it's the truth. The economy isn't so cut and dry. A major going belly up would provide others to prosper
161 Cmtehori : Plus a few 722s that have been grounded by Champion Rgds Carlos
162 ChiGB1973 : Call the credit card company, tell them the situation and get your money back, then book on another airline. If you paid cash or check, file a motion
163 Vanguard737 : Farewell, ATA You were the first airline I worked for - and I was very proud to be a TZ employee! 35 years of flying excellence has come to an end, an
164 Type-Rated : How sad to hear about ATA failing. My best wishes to all the ATA employees affected by this. I flew ATA a few times and I found the crews always very
165 N1120A : Demand is not an issue in the U.S. market. The load factors of recent years show that. One thing that will hurt is U.S. demand for overseas travel, w
166 StasisLAX : A sad day for ATA employees and friends. I flew on ATA several times in 2003 and 2004, and was always happy with the service I received. ATA always ha
167 CatIII : Not so sure about that. Overseas travel by Americans will be hurt, but by the same token the weak dollar will spur many international travelers to vi
168 Cubsrule : Agreed; though I haven't seen numbers to back this up, I suspect the US is a net importer of tourists (more foreigners coming here than folks from he
169 MtnWest1979 : Have only flown ATA rt PHX-OGG in May 2005. Was a nice ride and good service. Too bad they have quit operation. And if we want to list small airlines
170 GARUDAROD : Where is our resident TZ expert TZ Tristar 500, god speed to you amigo. My heart goes out to yet another group of airline employees suddenly without a
171 Jetdeltamsy : I don't see how this could be a surprise to anyone. The company has continued to contract since exiting bankruptcy. Not surprising to me at all. Best
172 Scottieprecord : Terrible news... I watched all of their new DC-10s get converted from NW to TZ at SAT, even got the first pic on Anet of 'em.
173 TUIflyer : A sad day for US aviation, although ATA was always going to be one of the first to go with the current economic conditions. Best Wishes to all Employe
174 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Indiana Economic Digest Five Airlines Spurned ATA's Desperate Offer To Sell Itself http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.com...31&SubSectionID=62
175 Silver1SWA : I understand there are much larger issues to think about, but I must admit that was my first reaction to the news. Very sad week indeed. As they say,
176 PWM2TXLHopper : I believe both Obama and Clinton have been using ATA aircraft during their campaigning? Will this shake up their immediate travel plans this weekend?
177 Onedude : Wow, I just flew ATA this Tuesday 1 April from HNL to LAX. They were 17 over and looking for volunteers - the package was one night free at the Marrio
178 DeltaL1011man : Nope DL's 752s have P&W's on them and the exTZ's have RRs. CO,US,AA have RRs DL,NW,UA have P&W I could see DL going after TZ's 738s and AQ's 73Gs but
179 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : Gosh, I am tempted to ride all the way over to Dothan to see ATA land one last time. Think DHN will be a staging area for several aircraft? Maybe I'll
180 Surfrider1978 : Yes it is. I was booked on APR 12 LAX-HNL returning on the 16th on TZ. I paid $340 USD for my tix. Checked this morning to re-book on another heres w
181 Flywithken : Im just getting off work (im a ramper)....I just ( at 1300 PST) saw a bag heading to OAK (it was flying through PDX from a different station) to conne
182 EA772LR : That's pathetic of DL to jack up the price that much. There is no need to jack up the price like that. That's called gouging . My brother is about to
183 HALFA : I just checked both mobissimo and Kayak and found Delta flights for $582.00 and CO flights for $632.00 for the days you wanted to travel. Granted it'
184 Wjcandee : Or maybe NWA will pick them up in order to support their newly-expanded military charter operation. You know, the one that rumour has it was the impe
185 Post contains links Chrisair : This link might be good for anyone with TZ tickets to read. Especially Surfrider1978. http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/mil.../2008/03/31/daily41.html?
186 Je89_w : Wow, shocking news, especially right after the demise of Aloha. This isn't looking very good for Hawaii. Yep, ATA had some pretty decent fares. They w
187 Chrisair : No, it's not. It's called supply and demand. There's more of a demand for a smaller amount of seats, therefore, these seats are at a premium. The 12t
188 AAH732UAL : O no, two of my favs in one week. First AQ and now AMT This has not been the best week I have had
189 Learjet23 : Perhaps it would be better if the government let each and every airline in the country fold, then just have one big federal airline with one class zon
190 TN757Flyer : I received an email from WN today (sent to all Rapid Rewards members I would assume) that they are in the process of trying to book any TZ pax that m
191 Surfrider1978 : just the fact that it can jump so high within a matter of 3 hours makes me kind of angry. Thank you for your insight.. this really helped
192 Post contains links Cactus742 : " target=_blank>http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.com...40426 Thanks for posting this. This article gives a little more insight as to what has been hap
193 Viscount724 : I doubt it. Aircraft designed when crude oil was $2 to $3 a barrel and with 3 thirsty old-technology engines and requiring 3 crew in the cockpit just
194 FrontierATL : Anybody have any idea why that plane is going to DHN?
195 Wjcandee : The way the teams work, Omni is the only other team member that did the passenger flying for the team. The FedEx Team is about half the size of the A
196 Chrisair : In situations like this, it pays to put the reservation on hold, lock in the price, and then come back. It's happened to me before. Good luck. It'd b
197 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : There's a big PEMCO operation at DHN that works on 737s and several other aircraft types. Doesn't look near big enough for the operation that goes on
198 FlyMIA : Sad news, I flown ATA twice FLL-MDW-FLL on a 738 and MDW-LGA on a 733. Both were great flights, I always liked their crews and I have always like MDW.
199 CAMPBELL : Was a passenger on 757 N750AT on 9/17/94 from Philadelphia to Keflavik and on N757AT on 9/16/95 from Keflavik to Philadelphia.
200 UltimateDelta : Dang... I had always wanted to fly them, but I guess that won't happen. I hope this doesn't spell the end for any ofther airlines, like Midwest (AirTr
201 Ryanb741 : I had a trip booked OGG-LAS in September - booked via expedia. Am I likely to get a refund on this. This is all very inconvenient
202 Doug_Or : Did you book w/ a credit card? If so contact your card company for the refund. The fact that your travel is so far in the future should make finding
203 ChiGB1973 : Put it in perspective, you were not already at your vacation destination when the shut down occured. While I understand it is inconvenient for you, i
204 Surfrider1978 : I think it was more of an inquiry not a complaint, no need to jump up his ass. To answer your question, I am going through the same process. Since yo
205 Platinumfoota : There is a TZ 757-300 on the Cargo Ramp at LAX if anyone is interested in taking pictures.
206 Malaysia : 5 ATA jets parked at OAK today, very sad
207 Post contains images YLWbased : [New Model Today] In Memory of ATA 1973-2008
208 Post contains links A340Spotter : Possibly the last live flight for ATA? DC-10 from Ramstein AFB, Germany - Dallas-Ft. Worth.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMT7402 JSD
209 ZuluLima : Is this 701 or 706? I was just on the ramp here with 702 and 705.
210 ThirteenRight : Its to ferry the crew home.
211 LN-MOW : Looks like DHN will be the temporary home to most or all 738's. The rest seems to go to LCQ. The 753's are going to VCV, along with the L10's(?). The
212 Flyusairways : I got shots of 701TZ on final to Langley AFB just yesterday (operating a military charter). For once, it was daylight, the weather cooperated, and I g
213 ATA L1011 : I'm sad, worked for ATA for 9 years. I will miss them, especially the L-1011. I wish the current employee's well!
214 Post contains links Aloha73G : Hawaiian Airlines has scheduled an extra HNL-SFO-HNL flight tomorrow for stranded ATA customers. They are looking to possibly schedule more extra flig
215 Post contains links B757capt : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMT7411 These airports are all home to heavy MX bases for the Leasing companies. When I was at a past company we h
216 Msl747 : This was truly sad to hear. I flew with them SFO-OGG-SFO back in the summer of 2005, and it was a good experience. I can only hope the best for all of
217 CFMitch56 : Hindsight goggles on: Does TZ regret buying as many 757s as they did? After all, they ended up giving away some of them to CO and US during the last b
218 Mke717spotter : Looks like HA has been doin a lot of scurrying around these past few days trying to add extra flights for these airlines that are goin down.
219 Caribbean484 : You can go to kamstravelservice.com they have it NW US$473 for the dates in question, or if you change it you can get it at less than US$400. But if
220 Post contains images ZuluLima : As an ATA contractor, I've had great access to the fleet and have taken many pics. These could be my last, taken today as 308, 560, 702, and 705 sat i
221 DualQual : Or the more likely scenario is people scrambling to rearrange travel plans and grabbing all the lower tickets leaving the $1000+ fare bucket as the o
222 Egcarter : HA adds HNL-OAK-HNL on May 1st. Flight 47 will depart Oakland daily at 9 a.m. and arrive in Honolulu at 11:05 a.m. The return flight, Flight 48, will
223 AirTran737 : It's a ferry. TZ brought pax to RMS and then we (WO) took them the rest of the way to KWI. It was a management crew that ferried the plane back to DF
224 FiveMileFinal : I saw one of them turning base over my house last night...I had heard something about TZ possibly going down right around when AQ quit, but when I di
225 STT757 : My thoughts are with the employees and families who now have to start over again, good luck to all. I'm very saddened to see both AQ and ATA go under
226 NEMA : IMO economics would suggest they have unfortunately had their day
227 FlyMD : So what is going to happen to Hil-Force 1?. Guess she will have to find a replacement aircraft quickly!
228 Luv2fly : There flying had already been switched to North American as reported in the thread.
229 Pohakuloa : I appreciate HA scheduling more flights to accomodate, but it is obviously temporary? can or will HA continue these flights and if they do it will spr
230 6thfreedom : What was the config on the B738s? was ATA single or 2 class?
231 TZSFO : It is really a sad thing to see.... I "grew up" at ATA...they were the first airline to give me a supervisor job and I really learned the ropes of air
232 Lightsaber : Not to make light of the AQ or ATA, but HA now has a much better chance of surviving the next few years with a chance to charge air fares that are ab
233 Skibum9 : So I've got a unique question..... Who is going to fly Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama around. They were both chartering TZ for their respective camp
234 AEramper1974 : The first "heavy" I ever got a chance to do ground servicing on was an ATA L-1011... so ATA will always have a place in my heart. Over the course of t
235 NorthstarBoy : First of all, my thoughts go out to the employees of TZ, it's tough being laid off in this kind of market. As for why FX dumped TZ, i have no inside i
236 KPHXFlyer : I saw 4 TZ 757s at PHX this afternoon at the north west end of the airport (right beside Skyharbor Blvd). I think they were all -300s. Sorry, I was d
237 HALFA : Ok, my secret is no longer a secret. The press release on HA's new OAK service has been released, with more big news to come. Sorry, I must wait for
238 Post contains links B757capt : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAO2
239 NorthstarBoy : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAO2 not to go off topic, but a 757 into Burbank? why not just fly the future president into Lax a
240 AirTranTUS : More HA to PHX would be nice.
241 Allstarflyer : My regards to the folks across town. I've been through an airline shutdown (and 1 other furlough). Not pretty, but a lot of them, with effort, can mak
242 474218 : I sure she has a lot more pressing things on her mind right now than posting on a.net.
243 Post contains links and images TZTriStar500 : I am here, but spent all day cleaning out my office and still in a bit of shock. I did not want to read all of this until now because it was just too
244 Wjcandee : I don't think so. TZ's dispatch reliability had been within the acceptable range until they hit the penalty box, from which they apparently were emer
245 Wjcandee : Good catch. I didn't realize that BMC was up and running already. They're very good at what they do. I was spending my money on PACER. For those of y
246 TZTriStar500 : And this is the one element that I was sceptical about from the onset of the GAL structure. Either the AMC, one of the teams, or the independents wou
247 TZTriStar500 : Thank you so much Bill. Your words are too kind and I will miss working and maintaining the iconic fleet that was TZ. I'll land somewhere enjoyable b
248 Post contains images Chrisair : What, you didn't raid the hangars to take mementos?  I had a friend that was a dispatcher at AirCal, and on the final day of OC's operations, he mad
249 UA2162 : They flew a mixed fleet. Generally, out of KOA, the 738s were in a two class configuration (12F144Y). However, an all Y configuration would show up e
250 6thfreedom : Thanks.! i was wondering when someone would answer my question!
251 HALFA : JO will not be happy. HALFA
252 Columba : I hope at least the Dc 10s will find a new home with World. Those are great pics, especially the ones of the Dc 10. Thanks for sharing. Maybe you can
253 MX757 : The deal was for CO to sublease 4 of our 73NGs to TZ and was going give us their 4 remaining 753s. This was a deal that Boeing was brokering for both
254 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : As this thread has gotten quite long please continue the discussion at ATA Ceases All Operations Part 2 Thank you.
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