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5th A330/RR T700 Airline In China  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/showPR.jsp?PR_ID=40638

"Rolls-Royce announced today that Sichuan Airlines has chosen Trent 700 engines to power its fleet of three leased Airbus A330-200 twinjets from AerCap."

Five airlines in China (*) have ordered 138 A330s - all with RR Trent 700s. RR have a 100% market share in China.

(*) Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Hainan, Sichuan.

Add in Cathay and Dragonair and the total is pushing 200.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

Wait a minute.

Someone's getting carried away here ... and I think it's me!  blush 

I'm trying to calculate the "138" and I'm struggling. I think we need to include Cathay, Dragonair and Hong Kong Airlines (which I had forgotten about) but we still don't get 138.

It may be that the 138 doesn't include leased aircraft (flying with Cathay, Dragonair, Hainan and Sichuan) but that still doesn't bring us to 138. (Nor, I have to say do we get close to 200!)

Anyone know about the status of the 10 more A330s for China Southern (taking them to 24) or the other 30 for 'China' announced last year but not yet firmed?


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Hi PM

Good news for the A330.
I often see you talking about the Trent 700. What's so special about it?
(I know more about aircrafts than engines, which is poor indeed)
 Smile


User currently offlineFruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

From the RR website:

"The Trent 700 has a 100 per cent market share in mainland China, with 138 Trent powered A330s delivered or on order."

So it's both delivered and ordered. Does that help? If anyone will know, RR will  Wink

Quoting Chiad (Reply 2):
What's so special about it?

Cheapest costs and most reliable operation over the whole engine lifecycle.



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User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3240 times:



Quoting Chiad (Reply 2):
I often see you talking about the Trent 700. What's so special about it?

I think you will find PM rather often talking about any RR engine and lately there's also been a lot to talk about them. Some people like beautiful women, some people like cool cars and some people just dig huge British-made engines.  bigthumbsup  Don't get me wrong PM, one has to admire your enthusiasm and discussion about those Rollers.


User currently offlineFruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3212 times:



Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 4):
Some people like beautiful women, some people like cool cars and some people just dig huge British-made engines.

Some of us enjoy all three!!  Big grin



Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel.
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3111 times:



Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 3):
If anyone will know, RR will

Alas, their website is not infrequently inaccurate...!  Angry

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 4):
I think you will find PM rather often talking about any RR engine

 bigthumbsup 

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 4):
Some people like beautiful women, some people like cool cars and some people just dig huge British-made engines.



Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 5):
Some of us enjoy all three!!

Personally, I can take or leave the cool cars. But I'll settle for two out of three!  Wink

Quoting Chiad (Reply 2):
I often see you talking about the Trent 700. What's so special about it?

Prior to the mid-1990s and the advent of the A330 there was not a single Airbus flying with RR engines. The entire A300/A310 programme was powered by GE or PW. RR came to the A330 with no existing Airbus customer base. It was the last engine to fly on the A330 and the last to enter service.

From that not terribly encouraging position it has gone on to win more than 50% of A330 orders.

The Trent 700 has been ordered on 450+ A330s. By comparison, PW have sold engines on just over 200 A330s and GE have yet to reach 200. Even if the GE-powered KC-45 goes ahead, GE still won't have reached 400 airframes.

Last year the Trent 700 (on just the A330) outsold the CF6 + PW4000 (all applications) by more than 2:1.

It outsold the GE90.

It almost outsold the GEnx (on both the 787 and 747) and certainly outsold the GEnx on the 787 alone.

Put it this way, in 2007 - the most successful year ever for widebody sales - the A330+T700 was the second best-selling airliner/engine combination (behind the A350+TXWB). It was more successful than the 777+GE90 or 787+T1000 or 787+GEnx.

that's not bad going!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3078 times:



Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 5):
Some of us enjoy all three!!

Add me to the list, mate.

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
Personally, I can take or leave the cool cars. But I'll settle for two out of three!

All right, then. Two'll do.

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
that's not bad going!

You forgot the main reason for their success, which combines your two options (women and RRs) - Trents have a flying lady on them.

 Smile


User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3044 times:



Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 5):
Some of us enjoy all three!!

Now there's are thought! Could we find a way to combine all three into the one single entity  drool   dopey  ?

Regards, JetMech



JetMech split the back of his pants. He can feel the wind in his hair.
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3006 times:



Quoting JetMech (Reply 8):
Now there's are thought! Could we find a way to combine all three into the one single entity ?

Yep, it would be Scarlett Johansson driving a RR-powered Aston Martin.

I'm willingly riding shotgun and navigating, mate.  Smile


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2997 times:



Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 3):
From the RR website:

"The Trent 700 has a 100 per cent market share in mainland China, with 138 Trent powered A330s delivered or on order."

The keyword here is MAINLAND China. There's still that bit of land across the straight which has 16 GE powered A333s. Would have been a political gaffe without the word mainland!



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2989 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 10):
There's still that bit of land across the straight which has 16 GE powered A333s.

Actually, 28 x A330-300 & -200 at the last count!  Wink

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 10):
Would have been a political gaffe without the word mainland!

Which is why they put it in. So it wasn't.  Confused


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2973 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 11):
Actually, 28 x A330-300 & -200 at the last count!  

Oh yeah. Forgot EVA~



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10243 posts, RR: 97
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2922 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 6):
the A330+T700 was the second best-selling airliner/engine combination (behind the A350+TXWB)

I have to say, PM, that this statistic is nothing short of extraordinary, considering that the Trent 700 was the first ever engine of the Trent family, (entering service in 1995).

And as such, it would have appeared to have outsold the Trent 1000, GEnx (on the 787), and GE90 last year, with, as you say, only the Trent XWB being more successful (RR must by crying all the way to the bank..  Smile )
Amazing.

And as an engine, its only going to get better.  yes 

Regards


User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2871 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 9):

I was thinking more along the lines of Melissa Theuriau



driving me in her RR convertible to CDG,



whence we would board a RR powered commercial airliner


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Regards, JetMech



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