Mestrugo From Chile, joined Apr 2007, 237 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17972 times:
Breaking news:
Radio Nacional de España just announced that Aerolineas Argentinas has stopped all national and international flights, due to the resignation of Daniel Riva, Operations manager. Crews said they prefer to suspend service as they are concerned about mainteinance issues in the entire fleet.
They also say that EZE is an absolute chaos in this very moment.
UPDATE 2: Apparently, APLA, the pilots' union of Aerolineas, disagrees with the re-incorporation of two A310 commanders, part of a group of 60 pilots who were fired the last year... because despite the APLA decided a strike, they didn't adhere to it. the Argentinian ministry of justice revoked the decision, forced Aerolieas to readmit these two pilots. That forced Mr. Daniel Riva's resignation and, accoding with these sources, the APLA took the decision to stop all flights unilaterally, stranding thousands of passengers on the airports.
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17959 times:
perhaps they should use this as an opportunity to dismantle the airline and build it up from scratch to make a stronger healthier airline. Sad for all those involved.....
short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
Qantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1252 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17968 times:
This one i am not sad to hear about! I would have suspeded operations alone for the reason of how ATC is managed in Argentinia and for the controllers skills at EZE. There is some pretty scary stories online.
Anyways
No more A380's for them i guess and hopefully someone will take up those 4 ex AC 744's. And this also means a hell of a lot new business for IB on the MAD-EZE-MAD.
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17840 times:
An for people who hold tickets for this Saturday on the Buenos Aires to Iguazú flight. Sad, traveling from MEX on a business trip and deciding to spend 2 days in Iguazu and now, I am pretty shure there won´t be any flights. As I read at the Clarin newspaper, Aeroparque with all Austral airplanes are also affected.
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17769 times:
Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 2): Quoting Mestrugo (Thread starter):
Crews said they prefer to suspend service as they are concerned about mainteinance issues in the entire fleet.
So is this a complete shutdown or a temporary suspension of service because of maintanence issues ???
short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
Mestrugo From Chile, joined Apr 2007, 237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17749 times:
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5): So is this a complete shutdown or a temporary suspension of service because of maintanence issues ???
Looks like a strike by the APLA. According with Clarin, there will be an press conference later today, because the situation is very confusing at the moment.
CODCAIAH From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17584 times:
Wow, shocking. Surprised this isn't being discussed more here on A.net. Couldn't find anything about it in the US press either, but that's not surprising given that this is going on now and just began.
GatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17586 times:
Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 3): And this also means a hell of a lot new business for IB on the MAD-EZE-MAD.
1st) Aerolineas is not already dead. Let's hope they come back in a few hours/days.
2nd) The A380 do not belong to Aerolineas, but to Marsans. If Aerolineas shut down (I hope this will never happen), they can keep operating the route with their Spanish brand Air Comet, which doesn't have problems with the unions. They could even substitute Aerolineas with Air Comet in Argentina, as they already doing with "Air Conet Chile". Nevertheless, it seems very difficult having the A380 ready to operate when the Spanish leg (Spanair) went out of the control of Marsans and the Argentinian is showing constant problems (Aerolineas).
3rd) I guess also Air Europa and Lan Argentina will take advantage if Aerolineas ceased the activity.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17529 times:
I just wish Aerolinias could get their house in order. Like Alitalia, Aerolinias has had a spoiled life, it time for it to look at what happened to Varig. Either adapt and become a LAN or TAM or die.
Miaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17427 times:
I am sure LAN and LAN Argentina are loving this right now.... Argentina deserves a national and or private carrier who will represent the country and it's people full force. Maybe LAN Argentina is the way to go...
PlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17212 times:
Huge news.
Unfortunately, this last strike will further damage the company´s reputation for reliability among passengers. Personally, although they are a great company, I try to avoid AR when possible in my flights for fear of being caught in the middle of something like this.
Qantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1252 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17148 times:
Quoting GatoVolador (Reply 8):
1st) Aerolineas is not already dead. Let's hope they come back in a few hours/days.
2nd) The A380 do not belong to Aerolineas, but to Marsans. If Aerolineas shut down (I hope this will never happen), they can keep operating the route with their Spanish brand Air Comet, which doesn't have problems with the unions. They could even substitute Aerolineas with Air Comet in Argentina, as they already doing with "Air Conet Chile". Nevertheless, it seems very difficult having the A380 ready to operate when the Spanish leg (Spanair) went out of the control of Marsans and the Argentinian is showing constant problems (Aerolineas).
3rd) I guess also Air Europa and Lan Argentina will take advantage if Aerolineas ceased the activity.
It has no sense to keep a unorganized, unprofitable and union infected operation up. Fail and start off again. Why keep them alive? Why keep them alive? Because of their history? Their name? No.
Lets get over it, they are no longer the airline they used to be.
PlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17065 times:
Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 13): It has no sense to keep a unorganized, unprofitable and union infected operation up. Fail and start off again. Why keep them alive? Why keep them alive? Because of their history? Their name? No.
Their name could be kept, just like in the Varig name. However, such a measure would be very traumatic to all involved. If it can be avoided, it should be.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 60 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16918 times:
Quoting Mestrugo (Thread starter): Crews said they prefer to suspend service as they are concerned about mainteinance issues in the entire fleet.
This is BS, AR has no maintenance issues whatsoever. If the flight does not meet MEL, it's a no-go - it doesn't fly. The problem is, the Justice system issued a sentence that NEEDS to be carried out. The A310 Fleet Chief, José Luis Bailac was to be re-instated because of the judicial order. It's a conflict of interests. So, an undercover strike. Nothing to do with compromising safety.
Quoting Miaskies (Reply 10): I am sure LAN and LAN Argentina are loving this right now.... Argentina deserves a national and or private carrier who will represent the country and it's people full force. Maybe LAN Argentina is the way to go...
You know, they are not - this only pours more uncertainty over the Argentine domestic market. LAN has already suspended or temporarily pushed out their investments in LAN Argentina.
Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 3): I would have suspeded operations alone for the reason of how ATC is managed in Argentinia and for the controllers skills at EZE.
And what does this have to do with the airline? At least get the country name right.
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 1): perhaps they should use this as an opportunity to dismantle the airline and build it up from scratch to make a stronger healthier airline.
Perhaps - but the fuss it would create, would be something no government could stand. At least not this one.
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 60 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16847 times:
I just got from an internal source that the conflict has been apparently resolved and that the company will resume its normal operations within the next hour.
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4846 posts, RR: 27 Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16160 times:
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 1): perhaps they should use this as an opportunity to dismantle the airline and build it up from scratch to make a stronger healthier airline. Sad for all those involved.....
The APLA has to understand that they can't keep holding the flying public to their petiness. They should take a cue about what happened to AM in '88.
A380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 15869 times:
Quoting Mestrugo (Thread starter):
Radio Nacional de España just announced that Aerolineas Argentinas has stopped all national and international flights, due to the resignation of Daniel Riva, Operations manager. Crews said they prefer to suspend service as they are concerned about mainteinance issues in the entire fleet.
Because of one person resigning they stop everything?
ARGIEPILOT From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 15525 times:
Quoting Mestrugo (Thread starter): Crews said they prefer to suspend service as they are concerned about mainteinance issues in the entire fleet.
You should really check the information that you post. Nor in the articles that you quote nor elsewhere that I am aware of it was said that crews alleged that they “preferred to suspend service as they were concerned about maintenance issues in the entire fleet.” The reason for the pilots’ actions (which were clearly explained in the article that you cited) was quite different from the one you gave. For motives that are long to explain here, the chief of operations resigned, there was no replacement, so therefore the company could not legally operate in that situation.
AerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6326 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 15525 times:
Oh well. I guess Sunday morning for me will be busy at work dealing with passengers that won't be going anywhere. It's probably for the best... I'm glad I didn't go and work for them now..
AFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 15205 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9): I just wish Aerolinias could get their house in order. Like Alitalia, Aerolinias has had a spoiled life, it time for it to look at what happened to Varig. Either adapt and become a LAN or TAM or die.
It's spelled Aerolineas. What is with people and spelling things related with Argentina, or Argentinia as others call it.
For some reason I really like Aerolineas Argentinas. I like everything about Argentina in general, and they just seem like a nice legacy airline, even though much of their fleet is outdated even for South America. It kind of doesn't reflect how Argentina has a pretty high quality of life and is a pretty westernized country. Well, I guess Pluna doesn't really reflect this either and Uraguay is ranked a little higher than Argentina in HDI I believe. But still, a great coutnry like Argentina deserves to have a modern, efficient airline.
26 ARGIEPILOT: No chances for LAN to become Argentinas’ flag carrier (or main carrier for that matter). For good or for bad Aerolineas Argentinas will survive, eit
27 AR385: That has to be the most naive statement I have seen in a long time. You obviously have some interest in AR. Everybody knows that APLA will strike any
28 ShannoninAMA: So I'll just be the one to go ahead and ask the question.. Is this a temporary suspension or is AR going to join the elite group of Aloha, Champion, a
29 MD11junkie: That is actually what legally happened - there's no other way to put it, if there's another message behind - it's up to interpretation, but ARGIEPILO
30 MD11junkie: Shannon, AR is not in a belly-up situation. This was just temporary and the issue was resolved 4 hours into it.
31 Treeny: An interesting comment and one which makes me respectfully wonder if you only visit Argentina on either business or pleasure rather than spending any
33 Francoflier: I don't understand: Why was the ALPA against the reinstatement of these 2 pilots? I haven't been following AR's history much, but what was the reason
35 EMB170: From what I'm getting, it's because they crossed picket lines. Sticking with LA and 4M while down in Argentina (and Argentinia ;o) )
36 LVICS: You know, when there's a strike, some of the workers will agree with that, some of them won't. Some of the workers will actually go on strike (becaus
37 Burkhard: So this was not a union strike, as union bashers wanted us to believe, but an application of a legal requirement. Hats off to an airlines that conside
38 MD11junkie: Did anyone read that the flights were RESUMED and everything is normalized? This is because I see many questions on "is this temporary" or "I guess I
39 Anetter123: I love the country of Argentina, but cannot stand this airline and I think its an embarrasment being its flagship carrier. Twice I've flown them and t
40 AFKLMLHLX: Ugh, I feel so stupid. When I speak Spanish I always pronounce the u as in Spanish you pronounce u's, but in English, it sounds to UrAguay, so someti
41 Sflaflight: And that is the same mentality that keeps and prevents Latin America from becoming BIG! Enough with the nationalism. It is 2008! Look what happened w
42 Francoflier: Thanks, I understand. Although it's really completely and awfully wrong for a pilot union to behave like so...
44 PRAirbus: What a disgrace it only affects their image even more. AR is truly run like a government agency, its employees still have government agency mentality
45 Yyz717: Is AR back to normal now? I'm flying to EZE next week (business trip, and also my first trip to Argentina), so I'm (more than) mildly curious. I was t
47 PlunaCRJ: Yes, all flights are operating normally. The strike only lasted a few hours, actually.
48 Lima: The president, Cristina Kirschner is in Paris at the moment. Did she used an Aerolineas Argentinas B747 to fly there?
49 Mestrugo: Yes it is, and to avoid more people get confused, I'm gonna change the title of the thread. ...er... or that was my intention, but I can't find the '
50 ShannoninAMA: You kind of missed the "Thirty minute deadline" for editing posts
51 Mestrugo: Uhhh... Didn't know about that 30 minute deadline thingie. Do you think I still have time to fix it?
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