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Would Southwest Pick Up Where ATA Left Off?  
User currently offlineMnik101 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 173 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Given the news of the demise of TZ today, and the availability of the ETOPS 737-700 from AQ, will WN consider offering sevice to Hawaii? Granted there is a lot of competiion to the islands already, but the cominality of the fleets (AQ 's) and routes that wered served by TZ and AQ were to cities that WN has big operations already. What are the chances? Opinions?

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User currently offlineAeroMojo From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

WN may try to secure some new routes for new revenue but I dont think so. I think the airlines already well established at the Islands will pick up the empty slots to try to cover the field and keep out any new competition.


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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

I think it is a definite possibility. Time will tell. I can guarantee you that virtually every major and LCC airline is looking at the gaps left by TZ not just in the Hawaiian market but also out of MDW and IND.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1891 times:



Quoting Mnik101 (Thread starter):
and the availability of the ETOPS 737-700 from AQ, will WN consider offering sevice to Hawaii?

WN wouldn't be able to get ETOPS any faster with AQ's birds than with its own birds.

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 2):
I can guarantee you that virtually every major and LCC airline is looking at the gaps left by TZ not just in the Hawaiian market but also out of MDW and IND.

No one has bitten at MDW, and NW has picked up many of the pieces at IND (as has FL). There's not much left to take.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

The problem here is that while 73G and 738s can do HNL, they aren't the best planes for it. 757s are. But WN isn't going to be adding 757s.

Add to that that WN doesn't do red-eyes. And few people want to leave HNL or the mainland at 7am for a flight due to the vacation nature of the traffic. WN likes to have multiple frequencies a day, but the logistics make that hard for Hawaii. Basically they would have to shift their business model to fit the market.

It's much different as an inter-island carrier. That fits WN's model perfectly. It's the getting you to Hawaii part that is the sticking point...



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

All of this happened a bit suddenly...probably a bit too suddenly for leadership over in WN's Headquarters to make a move. Even at that, WN tends do move on the conservative side when it comes to business decisions, and doesn't make a whole bunch of sudden moves. However, these may be golden opportunities for WN. Methinks the next few days ahead will be interesting to see, not just for WN, but for the entire US airline industry  Wink I'm sure someone will jump on some assets/routes/etc. Grab a chair and a bag of popcorn  Smile


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User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

I seriously doubt with all that's going on that WN isn't evaluating contingencies well before they even present themselves. This is a surprise to us and to the market but more than likely several scenarios have been studied at Southwest in the event ATA were to shut down, especially given the code-share. It was only a week or two ago that the subject was ping-ponged around whether they would even keep scheduled service or not, nobody saw the Military contract matter coming so that was a surprise, but the rest of it was up in the air, so to speak. Southwest though, has been undoubtedly closely watching all aspects of their market, believe me.

As for "Moving fast enough", I think Southwest has proven time and again they can and DO move fast enough on decisions that make sense, Midway being the best example of moving fast.


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