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Question About Flight With US  
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

OK, percuilar and rather confusing question, but I'll nevertheless ask it.

In Dec 07, I flew LAS-SFO. It was aboard a US 319, in full US livery and titles, but it was, of course, aboard a former HP machine (it had AW as part of its reg).

I realise US and HP are now integrated. In essence, was my flight by US Airways but "operated by America West" or simply by US?

Thanks.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23153 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2527 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
I realise US and HP are now integrated. In essence, was my flight by US Airways but "operated by America West" or simply by US?

The HP certificate ceased to exist in late September 2007, so it was a flight on the US certificate operated by the West division (i.e. ex-HP). Does that make sense?



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

They are now operating as one airline, although their employee work groups remain seperate.


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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?

See, it gets confusing, uncertain...  Silly

Thanks.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):

Although the two carriers are on the same operating certificate, the America West aircraft have the call sign CACTUS and are operated with America West Crew. If your flight number was from 1-699 it will have been operated by America West, it is marketed like a code-share. I'd just add US to your notes.

TUIflyer

Edit: Spelling - Oops!

[Edited 2008-04-03 13:14:58]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23153 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2434 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?

Given the situation, I think that's a question for you and your logbook...



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2997 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2429 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?

would you add for instance Eurowings or Cityline to your flown-withs or Lufthansa? BritAir, Cityjet, Regional or Air France?  Smile


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2409 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
although their employee work groups remain seperate

That's not true at all. Just because the pilots and flight attendants are separate doesn't mean everyone else is.

US has reached final transition agreements with the customer service agents/reservations agents (CWA/IBT), dispatchers (TWU), flight crew training instructors (TWU), and simulator engineers (TWU). Additionally, a tentative final transition agreement has been reached with the mechanics and related (IAM) and stock clerks (IAM) work groups, which is currently being voted on (today, as a matter of fact). And, obviously, all of the non-union employees are merged together.



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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 6):
would you add for instance Eurowings or Cityline to your flown-withs or Lufthansa? BritAir, Cityjet, Regional or Air France?

I would indeed. For example, I found that my AB 733 flight, although in full AB livery and titles, was actually operated by dba, so I added "AB, opb DI." Likewise, my AB 100 flights, again with full AB livery and titles, were operated by ST, so I added "AB, opb ST." In your examples, I'd add "LH, opb EW," "AF, opb YS," etc.

But would it be the same re. US and former HP?

Anyway, I don't like getting it wrong, so I much prefer to double-check, hence the thread.

Thanks folks.  

[Edited 2008-04-03 14:10:54]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2281 times:



Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 4):
If your flight number was from 1-699 it will have been operated by America West, it is marketed like a code-share.

Actually, they're not marketed as a codeshare. They're marketed as simply US Airways, since legally, it is. Prior to the certificate merge, they were marketed as "US Airways operated by America West Airlines" (and on usairways.com you'd see a HP logo next to the flight number) but not anymore.

Since the certificate merge, I've been logging both east and west flights as US Airways.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2238 times:



Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 9):


Actually, they're not marketed as a codeshare. They're marketed as simply US Airways, since legally, it is. Prior to the certificate merge, they were marketed as "US Airways operated by America West Airlines" (and on usairways.com you'd see a HP logo next to the flight number) but not anymore.

Since the certificate merge, I've been logging both east and west flights as US Airways.

Thanks.

When was the cerficiate integration?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2997 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 2174 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
I would indeed. For example, I found that my AB 733 flight, although in full AB livery and titles, was actually operated by dba, so I added "AB, opb EW: Dba Luftfahrtgesellschaft (Germany)">DI." Likewise, my AB 100 flights, again with full AB livery and titles, were operated by ST, so I added "AB, opb ST." In your examples, I'd add "LH, opb EW," "AF, opb YS," etc.

this is probably the solution for me too Big grin
I always asked myself "LH or EW, AF or YSBig grin Know I will follow you and do the same in the future, thanks for the great idea!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23153 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 2133 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
When was the cerficiate integration?

September 26, 2007



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25700 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 2047 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
They are now operating as one airline, although their employee work groups remain seperate.

Article on US in Business Week last month focusing on their post-merger integration problems.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine..._11/b4075066472586.htm?chan=search


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