Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18830 posts, RR: 54 Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
OK, percuilar and rather confusing question, but I'll nevertheless ask it.
In Dec 07, I flew LAS-SFO. It was aboard a US 319, in full US livery and titles, but it was, of course, aboard a former HP machine (it had AW as part of its reg).
I realise US and HP are now integrated. In essence, was my flight by US Airways but "operated by America West" or simply by US?
Thanks.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21240 posts, RR: 19 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1568 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter): I realise US and HP are now integrated. In essence, was my flight by US Airways but "operated by America West" or simply by US?
The HP certificate ceased to exist in late September 2007, so it was a flight on the US certificate operated by the West division (i.e. ex-HP). Does that make sense?
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Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1541 times:
They are now operating as one airline, although their employee work groups remain seperate.
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Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18830 posts, RR: 54 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?
See, it gets confusing, uncertain...
Thanks.
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Although the two carriers are on the same operating certificate, the America West aircraft have the call sign CACTUS and are operated with America West Crew. If your flight number was from 1-699 it will have been operated by America West, it is marketed like a code-share. I'd just add US to your notes.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21240 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1475 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3): So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?
Given the situation, I think that's a question for you and your logbook...
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Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1470 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3): So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?
would you add for instance Eurowings or Cityline to your flown-withs or Lufthansa? BritAir, Cityjet, Regional or Air France?
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 47 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1450 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2): although their employee work groups remain seperate
That's not true at all. Just because the pilots and flight attendants are separate doesn't mean everyone else is.
US has reached final transition agreements with the customer service agents/reservations agents (CWA/IBT), dispatchers (TWU), flight crew training instructors (TWU), and simulator engineers (TWU). Additionally, a tentative final transition agreement has been reached with the mechanics and related (IAM) and stock clerks (IAM) work groups, which is currently being voted on (today, as a matter of fact). And, obviously, all of the non-union employees are merged together.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18830 posts, RR: 54 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 6): would you add for instance Eurowings or Cityline to your flown-withs or Lufthansa? BritAir, Cityjet, Regional or Air France?
I would indeed. For example, I found that my AB 733 flight, although in full AB livery and titles, was actually operated by dba, so I added "AB, opb DI." Likewise, my AB 100 flights, again with full AB livery and titles, were operated by ST, so I added "AB, opb ST." In your examples, I'd add "LH, opb EW," "AF, opb YS," etc.
But would it be the same re. US and former HP?
Anyway, I don't like getting it wrong, so I much prefer to double-check, hence the thread.
Thanks folks.
[Edited 2008-04-03 14:10:54]
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Hawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3091 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1322 times:
Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 4): If your flight number was from 1-699 it will have been operated by America West, it is marketed like a code-share.
Actually, they're not marketed as a codeshare. They're marketed as simply US Airways, since legally, it is. Prior to the certificate merge, they were marketed as "US Airways operated by America West Airlines" (and on usairways.com you'd see a HP logo next to the flight number) but not anymore.
Since the certificate merge, I've been logging both east and west flights as US Airways.
Actually, they're not marketed as a codeshare. They're marketed as simply US Airways, since legally, it is. Prior to the certificate merge, they were marketed as "US Airways operated by America West Airlines" (and on usairways.com you'd see a HP logo next to the flight number) but not anymore.
Since the certificate merge, I've been logging both east and west flights as US Airways.
Thanks.
When was the cerficiate integration?
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Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1215 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8): I would indeed. For example, I found that my AB 733 flight, although in full AB livery and titles, was actually operated by dba, so I added "AB, opb EW: Dba Luftfahrtgesellschaft (Germany)">DI." Likewise, my AB 100 flights, again with full AB livery and titles, were operated by ST, so I added "AB, opb ST." In your examples, I'd add "LH, opb EW," "AF, opb YS," etc.
this is probably the solution for me too
I always asked myself "LH or EW, AF or YS" Know I will follow you and do the same in the future, thanks for the great idea!
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21240 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1174 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10): When was the cerficiate integration?
September 26, 2007
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