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Question About Flight With US  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

OK, percuilar and rather confusing question, but I'll nevertheless ask it.

In Dec 07, I flew LAS-SFO. It was aboard a US 319, in full US livery and titles, but it was, of course, aboard a former HP machine (it had AW as part of its reg).

I realise US and HP are now integrated. In essence, was my flight by US Airways but "operated by America West" or simply by US?

Thanks.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22303 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2408 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
I realise US and HP are now integrated. In essence, was my flight by US Airways but "operated by America West" or simply by US?

The HP certificate ceased to exist in late September 2007, so it was a flight on the US certificate operated by the West division (i.e. ex-HP). Does that make sense?



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

They are now operating as one airline, although their employee work groups remain seperate.


Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?

See, it gets confusing, uncertain...  Silly

Thanks.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):

Although the two carriers are on the same operating certificate, the America West aircraft have the call sign CACTUS and are operated with America West Crew. If your flight number was from 1-699 it will have been operated by America West, it is marketed like a code-share. I'd just add US to your notes.

TUIflyer

Edit: Spelling - Oops!

[Edited 2008-04-03 13:14:58]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22303 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2315 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?

Given the situation, I think that's a question for you and your logbook...



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2310 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
So to confirm, could I actually add America West to my list of flown-withs, or would that be wrong, for it was, indeed, a US flight, albeit operated by US's West division? Or should I simply keep US in my log?

would you add for instance Eurowings or Cityline to your flown-withs or Lufthansa? BritAir, Cityjet, Regional or Air France?  Smile


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2290 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
although their employee work groups remain seperate

That's not true at all. Just because the pilots and flight attendants are separate doesn't mean everyone else is.

US has reached final transition agreements with the customer service agents/reservations agents (CWA/IBT), dispatchers (TWU), flight crew training instructors (TWU), and simulator engineers (TWU). Additionally, a tentative final transition agreement has been reached with the mechanics and related (IAM) and stock clerks (IAM) work groups, which is currently being voted on (today, as a matter of fact). And, obviously, all of the non-union employees are merged together.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 6):
would you add for instance Eurowings or Cityline to your flown-withs or Lufthansa? BritAir, Cityjet, Regional or Air France?

I would indeed. For example, I found that my AB 733 flight, although in full AB livery and titles, was actually operated by dba, so I added "AB, opb DI." Likewise, my AB 100 flights, again with full AB livery and titles, were operated by ST, so I added "AB, opb ST." In your examples, I'd add "LH, opb EW," "AF, opb YS," etc.

But would it be the same re. US and former HP?

Anyway, I don't like getting it wrong, so I much prefer to double-check, hence the thread.

Thanks folks.  

[Edited 2008-04-03 14:10:54]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2162 times:



Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 4):
If your flight number was from 1-699 it will have been operated by America West, it is marketed like a code-share.

Actually, they're not marketed as a codeshare. They're marketed as simply US Airways, since legally, it is. Prior to the certificate merge, they were marketed as "US Airways operated by America West Airlines" (and on usairways.com you'd see a HP logo next to the flight number) but not anymore.

Since the certificate merge, I've been logging both east and west flights as US Airways.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2119 times:



Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 9):


Actually, they're not marketed as a codeshare. They're marketed as simply US Airways, since legally, it is. Prior to the certificate merge, they were marketed as "US Airways operated by America West Airlines" (and on usairways.com you'd see a HP logo next to the flight number) but not anymore.

Since the certificate merge, I've been logging both east and west flights as US Airways.

Thanks.

When was the cerficiate integration?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2055 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
I would indeed. For example, I found that my AB 733 flight, although in full AB livery and titles, was actually operated by dba, so I added "AB, opb EW: Dba Luftfahrtgesellschaft (Germany)">DI." Likewise, my AB 100 flights, again with full AB livery and titles, were operated by ST, so I added "AB, opb ST." In your examples, I'd add "LH, opb EW," "AF, opb YS," etc.

this is probably the solution for me too Big grin
I always asked myself "LH or EW, AF or YSBig grin Know I will follow you and do the same in the future, thanks for the great idea!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22303 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2014 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
When was the cerficiate integration?

September 26, 2007



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1928 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
They are now operating as one airline, although their employee work groups remain seperate.

Article on US in Business Week last month focusing on their post-merger integration problems.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine..._11/b4075066472586.htm?chan=search


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