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Bankruptcy: ATA Ceases All Operations Part 2  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10505 times:
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As the initial thread ATA Ceases All Operations has passed 250 replies please continue the discussion here, Thank you.

ATA AIRLINES DISCONTINUES ALL OPERATIONS

After filing for Chapter 11 on April 2, 2008 in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Indianapolis, IN, ATA Airlines has discontinued all operations and cancelled all current and future flights. Following the loss of a key contract for our military charter business, it became impossible for ATA to continue operations. Unfortunately, we were not in a position to provide our customers or others with advance notice.

We apologize for the disruption caused by the sudden shutdown of ATA and regret the impact on passengers, employees, suppliers, and other parties. ATA customers should seek alternative arrangements for current and future travel. A list of other airlines serving ATA’s destinations is available here.


http://www.ata.com/

ATA Airlines shuts down, blames loss of military contract
Friday April 4, 2008

ATA Airlines, an independent carrier based in Indianapolis, shut down operations yesterday after filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Wednesday.

The airline, which began flying in 1973, blamed the shutdown on the loss of a military charter contract. ATA operated 29 aircraft, serving 10,000 passengers per day. Its 2,230 employees were notified that their positions had been eliminated. It is the second US carrier to shut down this week--Aloha Airlines closed up shop on Monday (ATWOnline, April 1). A third, Bloomington, Minn.-based charter carrier Champion Air, announced that it will stop flying on May 31.

"We deeply regret the disruption and hardship caused by the sudden shutdown of ATA, an outcome we and our employees had worked very hard and made many sacrifices to avoid," COO Doug Yakola said. "Unfortunately, the cancellation of a critical agreement for our military charter business undermined ATA's plan to address the current conditions facing all scheduled service airlines, including the tremendous spike in the price of jet fuel in recent months. As a result, it became impossible for ATA to continue operating."


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User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10304 times:

A lot of you have speculated about what Southwest will do about Hawaii going forward. Bill Owen from our Schedule Planning Department has a post on our blog addressing these issues. http://www.blogsouthwest.com/2008/04/04/why-no-southwest-to-hawaii/
Brian


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5366 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

The Southwest blog is cute, but it ignores the elephant in the room: Why didn't WN buy or otherwise take-over or prop up the Hawaii service under ATA's certificate?

Could they have entered a long-term wet lease? Yep.

Could they have purchased the operation for a song? Yep.

Could they have done a prepackaged BR to slim the thing down to just the Hawaii and charter ops and then bought it? Yep.

This is an overly-simplistic, "Gee, I wish there was something we could have done, but there isn't, SEE?" blog.


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10141 times:

Bill: Agreed, and I just posted a comment to the blog to that effect. I would imagine the answer WN will give to the wet-lease question is "Who would we have wet-leased from? There was no more ATA to enter into that agreement with". But I think they have deep enough pockets to pay TZ's costs of keeping the West Coast-Hawai'i flying going another week or two, with the stipulation of "no new originating traffic", in order to get people home. Sure, it's not WN's obligation or concern, and Greenpeace would probably get on their case for flying empty planes Westbound  Smile, but I'm sure there are a lot of people in Hawai'i right now on a Saturday-Saturday trip that are ticked off at WN, regardless of the fact that this wasn't WN's fault. I think sometimes in business it's worth it to right a (perceived) wrong on the part of another party in order to avoid alienating your customers. Granted, that's a slippery slope - I certainly don't expect KFC to fix the potholes on the public road in front of the restaurant, for instance, even if the potholes are causing a decline in KFC's business.

I'm still bummed to see ATA go. I stand by my decision to quit 2.5 years ago (as I'm sure you stand by your decision to do the same) but man I loved working there. Wish I'd thought to wear one of my ATA polo shirts today.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10117 times:

No disrespect to either TZ (I flew them once back in 2004) nor WN here; but IMHO the WN-TZ codeshare venture will probably go in WN's history books in the same light as their brief usage of 727s (twice) and the short-lived Transtar (product of the Muse Air merger) brand. An experiment that was tried but dropped a short time later.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 2):
This is an overly-simplistic, "Gee, I wish there was something we could have done, but there isn't, SEE?" blog.

Granted, WN wasn't the one that pulled the final trigger on TZ here; but something tells me that WN main reason for bidding TZ was just to frustrate FL's efforts to grow in MDW as opposed to exploring new markets.



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User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 499 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9920 times:

Quoting HALFA from the first thread:

"JO will not be happy."

Ah, just the thought of that makes me giddy.  Big grin

In all sincerity, I think HA has dealt with all of this better than any other airline could have. The adding of flights and dedicated employees have made lives just a bit easier. When I turn on the news and they are interviewing stranded passengers one thing is always said, "The folks at Hawaiian have been extremely helpful." I think HA will gain many loyal fliers from this, not only from Hawaii but from the mainland also.


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9837 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
Granted, WN wasn't the one that pulled the final trigger on TZ here; but something tells me that WN main reason for bidding TZ was just to frustrate FL's efforts to grow in MDW as opposed to exploring new markets.

Thats exactly why they did it. Why in the world would a carrier like WN be okay with handing over gates to another carrier with a similar business plan.



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User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9734 times:



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 2):
This is an overly-simplistic, "Gee, I wish there was something we could have done, but there isn't, SEE?" blog

With all due respect, Wjcandee, you have offered four overly simplistic answers, and really, there is no need to be condescending to Bill. It is so easy to say "yep," but where is your operational and financial analysis. For example, either operating ATA as a subsidiary or under lease would have opened a gigantic can of worms with union contracts and scope clauses, and while those issues might have been solved in time, they couldn't have been done literaly overnight--we learned of the bankruptcy at approximately the same time as the public. As to proping them up financially, we did that once before, but ATA as of Wednesday, was a much different airline than the one we financied previously.

Chase, we are assisting in getting people home. For those who purchased their ATA tickets through SWA, we are rebooking them on other airlines at our expense. Don't forget that we have nothing to gain from this bankruptcy, and we also were left in the lurch by the sudden nature of it.

Brian


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9644 times:



Quoting SWABrian (Reply 7):
For those who purchased their ATA tickets through SWA, we are rebooking them on other airlines at our expense

That's good to hear. Again, I don't think WN is "at fault" here and they certainly don't "have to" do this, but it's nice that they are. My (apparently wrong) impression was that they'd get you as near to your destination as they can, within their own network (i.e. if someone was booked on a mixed itinerary CLE-MDW-DFW they'd fly them CLE-XXX-DAL), but since WN doesn't go to Hawai'i I thought that WN wasn't doing anything for those people. My bad.

I will hypothesize that from the point of view of your average person (not an airline enthusiast) in Hawai'i right now on a ticket purchased from WN, on a scale of 0-10, WN doing nothing would be viewed as a 0, WN buying them tickets on UA/NW/AA/etc is a 9, but WN moving mountains to make this whole thing be literally unnoticeable (i.e. make the TZ flights happen as scheduled) is what would be a 10. In other words "prevent my vacation from being adversely affected due to having to worry about/deal with flight changes". I think WN giving TZ a pile of cash could possibly have made that last thing happen. But again I want to stress that I understand that WN has absolutely no obligation here in my mind, and I think they're doing a class job given what you wrote. My whole point (since I didn't know about what I'm calling a "9") was that doing "10" instead of "0" would win them repeat business. But I agree that doing "9" instead of doing "0" will win them 99.5% of the repeat business that doing "10" would have.


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9599 times:

I have noted that my clients, who booked in the UK,have some cover for the ticket price.However all the airlines left running seem to be taking the Mickey with airfares. Hawaiian are only offering FIRST class in July and United are the same. I am awaiting to see what happens and am ready to book when the airlines find that not everybody is willing to pay 4 times the price!!

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5366 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9544 times:



Quoting SWABrian (Reply 7):
we learned of the bankruptcy at approximately the same time as the public

Just so we're clear, the cited portion is the premise for what you're saying and for what the blog says.

All of the scenarios that I mentioned assumed more than 3 hours to figure out what to do. This is because most of those affected have known about their opportunities since as far back as January. Scenarios like a wet lease or guaranteed-revenue code-share assume that *having* such an arrangement would permit TZ to get some DIP financing to continue operations. ATA's exec testified under oath that many, many discussions have been had since January of all sorts of scenarios with numerous airlines and investors. Impossible to believe that WN wasn't one of them. Did WN "learn" of the actual filing at the same time as everyone? Maybe. Was it consulted and given an opportunity to do some kind of deal with TZ as far back as January? Almost certainly.

Hope that explains things.


User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

Just saw 4 ATA ships (614, 617, 618, 619) sitting at the executive terminal while on the employee bus here at PHX. Definitely drives the point home.....both trips I've taken with TZ were professional and extremely convenient....my best to the crews.


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User currently offlineAv8boy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9244 times:

Their Schedule of Creditors lists, among the 20 largest, the City of Chicago. A loan agreement that, as of the end of December 2007, had almost $7.1 million owed. How painful is this going to be for Chicago?

User currently offlineDadoftyler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9118 times:



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 10):
Just so we're clear, the cited portion is the premise for what you're saying and for what the blog says.

All of the scenarios that I mentioned assumed more than 3 hours to figure out what to do. This is because most of those affected have known about their opportunities since as far back as January. Scenarios like a wet lease or guaranteed-revenue code-share assume that *having* such an arrangement would permit TZ to get some DIP financing to continue operations. ATA's exec testified under oath that many, many discussions have been had since January of all sorts of scenarios with numerous airlines and investors. Impossible to believe that WN wasn't one of them. Did WN "learn" of the actual filing at the same time as everyone? Maybe. Was it consulted and given an opportunity to do some kind of deal with TZ as far back as January? Almost certainly.

Hope that explains things.

Wjcandee, sorry you didn't think my blog post on "Nuts About Southwest!" hit the mark--and although you imply that I'm ignoring the "elephant in the living room" the reality is that the questions you pose are not the two that I answered. I answered the two questions we have been getting most often: one, why didn't Southwest just start flying to Hawaii immediately to take up the slack, and two, why didn't Southwest buy the airplanes ATA was using for Hawaii and use them ourselves. I think I answered those satisfactorily. Nowhere in my blog piece did I discuss the options you pose--and, frankly, even if I knew if those types of scenarios had been studied (which I don't) I wouldn't be able to discuss them publicly.

Were the options you posted about discussed, analyzed, or even emailed about, by other departments or by job grade levels waaaaay above mine? No clue. But I certainly have the faith that *IF* that call was made by someone at Southwest, that they made the right one.

Bill


User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

A quick question for anyone in the know: flight TZ6128 is still scheduled to land in YYZ on Apr. 6 from Panama, with no departure that I can see (on the GTAA website) . Is this a repositioning flight, or has it yet to be cancelled? I'm going to Toronto this weekend and may pop out to the airport to get one last look at what (was) one of my favourite airlines, if the plane will still be coming. Any help would be appreciated.

And good luck to all employees...



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8907 times:
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Quoting YXD172 (Reply 14):
A quick question for anyone in the know: flight TZ6128 is still scheduled to land in YYZ on Apr. 6 from Panama, with no departure that I can see (on the GTAA website) . Is this a repositioning flight, or has it yet to be cancelled? I'm going to Toronto this weekend and may pop out to the airport to get one last look at what (was) one of my favourite airlines, if the plane will still be coming. Any help would be appreciated.

It's not happening. We (World Airways) have the flight now. It's arriving from PTY at 2130 local and departing at 0630 local on the 7th to RIV



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

It's cancelled. There will be no more flights other than repositioning flights back to the owners' mx or storage facilities.


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

Here may be a morbid question BUT where are they parking the fleet until they either come back a s limited Operation or the leaser picks them up? Like did they ferry everything to DFW or just park them where they stood.

AAH732UAL


User currently offlineCrjjetboy From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

Wow nobody has blammed Mesa for the Shut down? I am shocked. I will miss ATA had a great flt from LAX to Gander and then to Paris CDG.

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1460 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8819 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 17):
Here may be a morbid question BUT where are they parking the fleet until they either come back a s limited Operation or the leaser picks them up? Like did they ferry everything to DFW or just park them where they stood.

When operations were ceased, the aircraft where left where they were. Some have since returned to places where the lessors have agreements with maintenance providers like TIMCO and PEMCO. All aircraft leases are in the process of being rejected in BK court and all but a very limited staff have been let go as of yesterday to oversee an orderly liquidation of the entire company. Unfortunately, there will be NO resumption of operations. The best one could hope for is that some other entity purchases the Ops certificate when all of TZ's assets are sold.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8788 times:



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 19):
When operations were ceased, the aircraft where left where they were. Some have since returned to places where the lessors have agreements with maintenance providers like TIMCO and PEMCO. All aircraft leases are in the process of being rejected in BK court and all but a very limited staff have been let go as of yesterday to oversee an orderly liquidation of the entire company. Unfortunately, there will be NO resumption of operations. The best one could hope for is that some other entity purchases the Ops certificate when all of TZ's assets are sold.

Thanks  Sad


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8753 times:



Quoting Crjjetboy (Reply 18):
Wow nobody has blammed Mesa for the Shut down? I am shocked. I will miss ATA had a great flt from LAX to Gander and then to Paris CDG.

Did I miss something? Did ATA compete against Mesa somewhere? ...........  boggled 



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User currently offlineB52murph From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

I've seen several mentions of the "loss" of the AMC contract being a key catalyst for straight-to-Chapter-7 BK. Forgive me for being out-of-date, but when did the contract fall through? I just looked last month and TZ was alive-n-well on the SEA-Yokota flights (L15s)...

b52murph


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5366 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Hi, Murph. FedEx Team told ATA that it would not be a member of the team in the next fiscal year, which starts on October 1. They would be flying until then. Of course, being put in the "penalty box" had reduced their flying this year.

User currently offlineB52murph From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8183 times:



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 23):
Hi, Murph. FedEx Team told ATA that it would not be a member of the team in the next fiscal year, which starts on October 1. They would be flying until then. Of course, being put in the "penalty box" had reduced their flying this year.

Hmm...explains part of it I guess. Interestingly (without going into too many details), a *usually* reliable source of mine still shows TZ running AMC charters throughout the next few months (mix of types too). I suppose it will remain to be seen who picks up those flights.

BTW...did anybody catch a shot of ship 701 landing @ Langley AFB around 1300L on 2 Apr? Could end up being the last in an extraordinarily distinguished career hauling us G.I.s to places worldwide...


25 Wjcandee : It should go to the other core member of their team -- Omni -- and, if the team can't do it, to any other team's core member(s), and, if not them, to
26 B52murph : NW stepping up brings an interesting point...I've noticed several uses of N623US (B742) for AMC in the last few months; this despite NW having "retir
27 STT757 : I don't think NWA will bring back retired 747-200s, recently I've seen NWA near me at McGuire AFB with an A330. I think if NWA steps up their military
28 Post contains links B757capt : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMT7
29 Post contains links United_Fan : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMT7438 DC-10 going to Marana.........not good.Might just be its last flight
30 AirTran737 : I have heard that ATA-ALPA is trying to argue that being that the three airlines are owned by GAL that the TZ pilots should automatically be allowed t
31 IFlyATA : I have no idea if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me. ALPA was very vocal in their disgust for management's decision to cease operations. Appar
32 Flyusairways : Yes, I sure did. I got a number of shots of 701 on final. I've uploaded one for screening on this site. Had I known that ATA would be gone the next d
33 Post contains images Flyusairways : Here is 701 landing at Langley on April 2. I can't believe that this was one of ATA's very last flights.
34 FRA2DTW : I'm sure the TZ ALPA pilots will pursue this course and you can't blame them. It's the only hope they have. However, the Teamsters will fight just as
35 AirTran737 : Yeah I can. If the wanted to work her then they should have come her on their own accord, not showing up and trying f&^k our pilots out of thir jobs.
36 B757capt : Does anyone have the commercial that ATA used to do in Chicago? HEY ON ATA YOUR ON VACATION. Thats the ATA I remember. 727 service to LAS via LNK for
37 Wjcandee : ATA lasted as long as it did because World loaned ATA money. (See bankruptcy filings.) Presumably, ATA's book of military business would have made it
38 CaptSeth : I am sorry that you feel this way, because we have tried hard to send the opposite message. We are all pilots, and we need to hang together, or we wi
39 YXD172 : Thanks for the info. That's too bad, I was really hoping to see them again . . .
40 Tango-Bravo : Did you read the entire message from Bill Owen on the Southwest blog? What part of his plainly stated answers to the questions you insist on re-visit
41 AirTran737 : I just don't understand how any TZ pilot can justify in his head that he has the right to come and bump a WO or NA pilot out of a job. It's sheer lun
42 FRA2DTW : Ironically, what may give some argument to TZ pilots' seniority claims within GAL is the fact that World lent them money, thus making it look like "we
43 AirTran737 : I'm trying to find out how much we loaned them, but there is so much crap to read through. Any idea?
44 Chrisair : Time to pop open a couple beers and watch this unfold.
45 Wjcandee : Sigh. First, let's drop the aggressive tone, shall we? The actual blog author was more polite than you. Let's go through it again. Nothing about the
46 Tango-Bravo : Perhaps because, unlike the U.S. legacies, Southwest has not been known to be in the habit of chasing bad money with good money? Huh??? How so? (in t
47 Wjcandee : No reasons for that were spelled out in the blog. Instead, what he said was: "...why didn’t Southwest buy (or take over) ATA’s Hawaii routes? As
48 Cactus739 : I guess my question is, Why do you feel it was Southwest's responsiblity to solve ATA's woes? Why should Southwest jump in at a moment's notice and t
49 Clipper002 : Qouting Cactus739 Now my other question...can someone explain how this FedEx team thing works? is FedEx the captain (so to speak) and certain other ai
50 Post contains links Flyusairways : Any idea why ATA's DC-10s would be stopping at San Angelo on their way out to the desert from DFW? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20
51 Post contains links RampGuy : Congressman Andre Carson, who was just elected to finish is late grandmother, Julia Carson's term, is demanding answer from ATA on how they treated th
52 Airbatica : I imagine they stopped in SJT for fuel. I don't believe that the DC-10s had sufficient fuel on board to make it to MZJ. Here's why..... They were deni
53 Flyusairways : Thanks for the interesting explanation. I imagine that filling up a DC-10 even for the flight to MZJ would be a high expenditure. Welcome to A.Net, b
54 Justlump : That is correct. The aircraft left DFW with only minimal fuel. SJT had the cheapest fuel between DFW and MZJ. Considering that the largest A/C SJT no
55 B6FA4ever : my thoughts are with the ATA folks (as well as AQ's!) i flew into SAN on thurs night and walking passed the ticket counters was kinda eerie not to see
56 Comorin : How did Matlin Patterson do with this investment? As a distressed shop, did they make their money and leave when ATA emerged from Ch11 the second time
57 TZTriStar500 : Before this thread dies, I just wanted to make a mass request if anyone got any last minute photos of last flights in or any aircraft parked together
58 United_Fan : I see 2 753's doing LAX-MZJ today (tues)... I'm sure the RR 753's will be picked up in no time,too.
59 Post contains links N905TW : Just got done with a trip, and if anyone is interested, 757-200s 514, 518, and 519TZ are still sitting here in PHX on the far nw ramp near the executi
60 Chase : I remember when Swiss shut down, they had a big auction and sold silverware, all kinds of stuff. ATA had a lot of neat things in their HQ buildings...
61 Airbatica : Just an FYI, there is still a DC10 and 737 parked here at DFW, in the usual spot. On another note, I spent quite a bit of the last 11 years working wi
62 Skyway1 : Good luck to the all ATA employees from and ex C8 employee....
63 TZTriStar500 : Well there is still a couple hundred employees left to make the liquidation orderly so I would suspect we would see an auction sometime this summer,
64 LN-MOW : Umm ... I see two 753's doing LAX-VCV yesterday (Monday) and one doing OAK-VCV tonight.
65 Lollomz : I'm really sad for ATA. Who has now the military charter contract? On the ATA site there is a communication: "Following the loss of a key contract for
66 Post contains links Chase : Indy Star today says that an ex-employee (no, it's not me) is beginning a class-action suit against ATA. According to the article, his claim is that "
67 AirTran737 : Looks like GAL is trying to wipe their hands clean of ATA. No mention of ATA atg all in this press release. GLOBAL AERO LOGISTICS APPOINTS ROBERT BINN
68 FRA2DTW : These new people all came from World and two previously ran Transmeridian, which failed. Hmmm.
69 LASOctoberB6 : Just go look in the April addition of Airways....
70 Post contains links United_Fan : I see a DC-10 is going to MZJ from DFW http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMT7435
71 FXRA : Man I do get tired of hearing that insinuation. They weren't running TransMeridian when it failed, and had actually brought that company from bankrup
72 Wjcandee : Uphill battle. Far too often, the class-action lawyers get a bunch of fees and the little bit of whatever dribbles out goes to them, with only a toke
73 Chase : True. The place I worked at a few jobs before ATA had a class-action lawsuit against it by ex-employees after they laid off all Indy staff (other loc
74 FRA2DTW : FXRA - thanks for the additional info and clarification. I was just reacting to the press release and was pleased to read your post that these new guy
75 SkypirateDC10 : The ATA pilot group stated on the very first day of the filing for CH 11 where they were headed in terms of their belief that they were GAL pilots - n
76 LawnDart : SkypirateDC10, excellent post. Tailwinds to you.
77 FRA2DTW : [quote=SkypirateDC10,reply=75]their belief that they were GAL pilots - not ATA pilots[/quote Has their ever been a successful "single carrier" filing
78 IFlyATA : Who says you can't love both? Let's face it, a business is a business, it has an obligation to it's shareholders and employees to make money. If mana
79 Wjcandee : My own thought about the DC10s is that it was not the decision to bring them in that was the problem, but rather the process by which they were integ
80 TZTriStar500 : Good posts IFlyATA and Bill (wjcandee). The DC-10 decision was a good business case, but Bill is correct about how they were brought on and supported
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