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Monarch Airlines – 40 Years Today And Still Strong  
User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 14
Posted (7 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 18707 times:

Reading other threads about airlines now going under or on the brink of collapse, and thinking about many airlines that are confined to the archives of UK Civil Aviation, one name that I constantly thought as a survivor was Monarch Airlines (ZB/MON).

A firm favourite of mine, I did some research and found that tomorrow – 5 April – will be the 40th anniversary of their inaugural flight on 5 April 1968 when their Britannia flew LTN-MAD. I thought a thread might celebrate this occasion as well as try to establish why the airline is the only survivor among UK’s prominent airlines of the 1960s, 70s, 80s and 90s that still uses its original name. Furthermore, it also has the distinction of being under the same ownership and management since its initiation.

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Another fact that surprised me is that they are the third largest carrier at LGW with 4% of the total slots, surpassed only by BA, U2/GB and BE, and also the third largest carrier at MAN with 5.5% of total slots, surpassed only by BE and BD[1]. I have been unable to obtain figures for BHM where I believe they also have a significant presence. They currently have a fleet of 32 aircraft, with orders for 6 787-8 (plus options for a further 8) and a further A321 due to join the fleet this summer[2], and fly over six million people to more than 100 destinations worldwide[3].

Much of their success must be because they were quick to respond to changes in the market. They were quick to respond when UK charter airlines started ordering brand new aircraft direct from the manufacturers (I believe they were one of the launch customers for the 757) rather than fuel-thirsty third hand aircraft that were characteristic of UK charter airlines of the 70s. Although not tied to any major tour operator (but owned by the Swiss-Italian Mantegassa family who owns Globus who in turn owns Cosmos), they started as a charter airline and were again quick to respond to market changes when people preferred to organise their own holidays by introducing Monarch Crown Service. They were one of the first airlines who introduced a Premium Class on charter flights. They responded quickly when the market preferred the low-cost module (Monarch Crown Service becoming Monarch Scheduled). They were the second UK airline to order the 787. Now they are planning to launch ‘lower cost’ transatlantic schedules when the 787s arrive, where so far Zoom is the only competitor. They also have Engineering and Technical subsidiaries that not only cater for all the airlines requirements but also those of many well-known airlines round the world.

Put briefly, ZB is where bmi should be, and furthermore they are profitable with a solid business plan for the future. And this is despite the facts that they do not, and never have, operated to/from the Holy Grail of airports known as LHR, and their fleet is relatively old with an average age of 12.8 years[4].

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IIRC there was a recent rumour that U2 was after ZB but this proved false, particularly when the business press pointed out that ZB’s billionaire owner could afford to buy U2 outright without having to raise funds in the market.

Strangely enough, apart from a certain a.net member who misses their Crown Service with all its ‘freebies’, they are rarely a victim of attack on this website.

So what do you think has also contributed to ZB’s success?

[1] Airport Co-ordination Ltd
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[3] www.flymonarch.com
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User currently offlineBa737 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 18700 times:

I think their success is from great service , freindly cabin crew and ive never seen an empty monarch flight....yet

User currently offlineTrident3 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 18680 times:

No thread about Monarch can go by without mention of their wonderful Boeing 720s Big grin

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User currently offlineZBA320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 18668 times:

Probably they're way of cramming people in using the magic of 28" Pitch!  Wink

I think they're a great airline and will always fly with them where I can, long may it continue!

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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 907 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 18664 times:

I think they have a good style for the Scheduled flights. If you want to pay for legroom seats then you can, if you want a good hot meal you can buy one, if you want not to pay then you will still not have to run across the taxiway to get a seat.The crews all seem happy and this means a good flight.

User currently offlineBa737 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 18647 times:

Can someone tell me how to put the pics in the thread LOL  embarrassed  .

User currently offlineClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 18615 times:

I haven´t flown Monarch once. But still I have some great memories of them. When I worked as an intern at TXL back in 1993 (?) I believe it was a Monarch B757 that all of a sudden literally was face-to-face with me. I believe it was a charter from BHX. That was my first encounter with a B757 ever. The plane itself is/was so pretty and seeing the old Monarch livery right from the apron was the icing on the cake. I really hope to get the chance flying with them one day.



[Edited 2008-04-04 12:49:05]

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8717 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 18578 times:
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Good to see Monarch still retaining their own identity and c/s, expecially since Britannia 'disappeared' from the skies - it's nice to see the old timers keep flying.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 25324 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 18567 times:

Flown with MON a few times. Great airline, although had an 8 hour delay with them in TFS coming back to MAN, due to the A300 being stuck in Florida for a while  Yeah sure

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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 18541 times:

Quoting Trident3 (Reply 2):
No thread about Monarch can go by without mention of their wonderful Boeing 720s

Don't please! I vaguely remember a MON flight on a 720B that I took in the early 1980s (or 1979?) from LTN to St Lucia. It was a long-haul flight, operated by an aircraft that was configured for a short-haul charter and absolute agony. To make matters worse, we had to make a refuelling stop at Shannon and Gandar. The flight was IIRC over 12.5 hours from pushback at LTN to landing at St Lucia, and there was no IFE (a novelty in those days).

On the positive side: the cost of the holiday (flight, transfers and hotel) was a fraction of the fare alone on BA and others, so this enabled me to go to the Caribbean on the cheap; the cabin service from the smiling and friendly Monarch crew was faultless, and plenty of food and drinks were served.

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User currently offlineClipperBerlin From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 18506 times:

Quoting Ba737 (Reply 5):
Can someone tell me how to put the pics in the thread LOL .

click on "Posting Help" (top right).

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2801 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 18387 times:

Thanks BCAL for this thread - my third ever flight was on a ZB 752 (MONB I think) in December 1990 STN - BGR - BGI. Probably was almost as horrific as your 720 experience, but didnt bother me as a kid then and I remember the service to be fantastic. I grew up at LTN and remember the 733's too, they had quite a few, one ended up with U2 funnily enough. Unfortunately I dont remember the Britannia's, 720's, 111's or 732's. ZB are also noticeable as the only long running UK operator of the A300, which were also involved in the start up of the ill fated Compass Airlines of Australia around 1992. They operated 8x 733's for Euroberlin in the early 90's and operated flights to MIA from 1988 and to NY and BOS in 1990.

Heres a summary of the early years from that great book (British Independent Airlines 1946-1976)...

For the summer of 1968, ZB acquired two former Caledonian Britannia 312's for inclusive tour flights on behalf of Cosmos Tours from LTN to many European destinations including BCN, BSL, Gerona, IBZ, MAD, PMI, Rimini & VLC. In addition they undertook ad hoc charters including the occasional foray across the Atlantic to the US and Canada, and for the MOD carrying troops and their famlies from several British airports including BHX, LTN & MME to Aden, Gutersloh and Wildenrath. ZB's two founding CEO's were former directors of British Eagle and when the latter folded at the end of 1968, many of the staff moved to ZB along with several of their Britannia's, which totalled 6 by the summer of '69. The majority of work was still IT work from LTN, but they did far more ad hoc work, particularly for the MOD including a regular freight service to PER, formerly operated by Eagle, and as a result became familiar visitors at Brize Norton and Lyneham. ZB had 8 Britannia's for the summer of '70 and started flights out of MAN for Clarksons to Beauvais and RTM and flights from LTN expanded to include ATH, BCN, BSL, FAO, GOA, IBZ, MAD, Mahon, Malaga, Milan, PMI, Rimini, Split, TFS, TUN, VLC & VCE. 1971 was much the same, other than ZB started evaluating jet aircraft., which saw the arrival of 3 former NW 720B's, the first of arrived in LTN modified with extra emergency exits and 170 seats on Nov 28 1971 and flew its first revenue service on Dec 13. The 720B's were soon also operating some flights from BHX to various destinations, mainly PMI, as well as mainly high density routes from LTN, such as ALC, Gerona, IBZ & PMI and longer distance routes such as the Canary Isles and Greece. This led to the retiremement of the Britannia's in regular service by May '72, but the last one soldiered on until March '75 operating ad hoc freight & pax charters, still mostly for the MOD. Airline Engineering had been set up at this time to look after the mx of Britannia's and they also looked after other airlines such as African Safari, CU, Int'l Aviation Services and several others. During 1973 several of the ZB 720B's were operated on BOAC services from LHR due to their shortage of equipment. In March '74 a 4th 720B was leased from Maersk and operated a weekly Friday transat flights from BHX to YYZ & YVR via Gander. This aircraft also operated flights for IA from LHR to the Mid East, but this was later taken over by BD.

In 1975 ZB commenced flights from BRS for Cosmos, but as the 720B was too large for the runway, the decision was made to acquire BAC 1-11's. The first of two aircraft arrived at LTN in Feb '75 and shared the flying with the 720B's ex LTN and BHX, as well as the new operations ex BRS and also EMA, the first flight from BRS being 17 May 1975 with a 1-11 and from EMA on the same day with a 720B. Meanwhile the final Britannia, a dedicated freighter, was retired in Feb '76, though ZB's association with the Britannia continued through Airline Engineering, including the overhaul of the disposed RAF fleet for new owners, which included Aer Turas and Gemini Air Transport of Ghana. In November '75, 2 720B's were leased to GA for the first time for hadj flights and the Maersk machine was returned the following month. A 3rd 1-11 was leased from BCal to replace this loss of capacity, and operated its flirst flight LTN to VIE on Dec 11 1975. For the summer season of '76, ZB had 3x 1-11's (all 500 srs) and 3x 720B's. 1976 saw a reduction of flights from EMA, but the addition of LGW to LIS and Rome. LTN services had expanded to include ALC, AMS, ATH, BSL, Bologna, Catania, Constanta, FAO, GOA, Gerona, HEL, Heraklion, IBZ, Kerkyron, Las Palmas, LIS, MAD, Malaga, Milan, Minorca, MUC, NAP, OSL, PMO, PMI, Pula, Rhodes, Rimini, Rome, Santiago, St Lucia (via Santa Maria), STR, Tarbes, TFS, Treviso, TUN, VCE & VIE - remind you of U2???!! The book ends in 1976, but I believe one of the 1-11's was leased to CY for 13 months from October '76. A ZB Britannia can still be enjoyed today at Duxford.
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User currently offlineXJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 18375 times:

Probably because the good starts at the top and goes all the way down to the person sweeping the floors. Maybe other airlines can learn a thing or two from them.

User currently offlineNema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 18341 times:

Yeah i think they deserve a good thread on here. I have flown them several times over the years, is it Cosmos that is there sister travel company?.

For the last couple of Christmas vacations we have flown Monarch from BHX to Tenerife. Not cheap though but as already said, like our now lost Britannia, this is a name from a solid company that we should cherish.

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User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18265 times:

I'll just add my 2p here being a charter airline brat for most of my years, I think Monarch have done tremendously well and have built up a steady business over the years not doing anything crazy that could put their finances at risk and that has stood them in good stead.
I was more of a Britannia Airways flyer but Monarch has always had a place in my heart and have flown on their 757's a couple of times, I look to the future where perhaps I could fly with them across the pond!

Happy Birthday Monarch!

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User currently offlineBa737 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18188 times:

User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18058 times:

I personally think that what has helped Monarch over their 40 years in existence is the fact that their excellent service and forward thinking strategies has meant that they have built up a large army of loyal passengers, which has meant that they will keep flying with Monarch again and again, and will recommend them to other people. I first flew with them last July and was impressed as the people who had recommended them to me had been proven right, and they have my money for another flight next month. Hopefully I will be flying with them again and again where possible.

Whilst other airlines in the UK charter industry offer equally good service, what hasn't helped them is that they have gone through so many brand changes over the years (even those who have only been around half the time that Monarch has) they are unrecognisable and is basically 'another charter airline'. Britannia was the only other airline that could possibly be compared to Monarch (long history in charter flights with a sister LCC operation under a different brand), but that name has been ditched by TUI and are unrecognisable from what they once were and what made them popular.

I am a huge fan of the Monarch Scheduled arm where, although the freebie count has been dropping over the years, offers something different for flights to popular European holiday destinations for a price which is not much more expensive than the likes of easyJet and Jet2. With GB Airways now consigned to the history books, Monarch Scheduled now has the market in which GT operated within to themselves and will ensure that they continue to develop that arm.

So all it leaves me to say now is, congratulations and here's to many more years of Monarch Airlines in the skies.  birthday   champagne 

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18045 times:
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Do they serve boiled sweets and chat up the customers?

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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18031 times:

Most of my memoeries of MON come from charter flying. They were always a good airline, equal to BY or AMM and then they introduced their much advocated Cown Service for scheduled flights. this was charter flight prices but with all the extras, newspapares, complimentary bar, hot 3 course meal including choice of wines etc. then they abandoned it and now I only fly MON on their limited charter programme.

User currently offlineACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17955 times:

My first flight with Monarch was when I was 5 in the very early 80s from Luton to Alicante and back. I have no real recollection of the flight though my family assure me it was a Boeing 737 both ways. Someone somewhere in my family tree will have one of those pictures they used to take of holidaymakers disembarking onto the Spanish tarmac. Only in my case I will look considerably smaller and dubiously dressed. My next flight with Monarch was in 1996 from Palma to Gatwick on the A300-600R G-MONR, a really cramped and uncomfortable plane, but the service onboard was impeccable. The crew were the product (no joking aside). I was very impressed. I flew Monarch again in 2001 flying from Arrecife to Luton on A321 G-MARA, a really nice aircraft with a memorably excellent service. My next flight with MON was from Manchester to Palma on B757-200 G-MONB. Again all of the services were set to same standard as my previous experience and the crew again were similarly polite and professional. Around this time I had flown AMM, AIH, BY and CKT fairly regularly but found the ambience on a Manarch flight was slightly different. I have heard the A330 though is somewhat dated in comparison to the products offered by other long-haul charter operators. If they dont want the crown to slip thats something they definately need to remedy soon so that they offer a concise service on all operations.

Finally does anyone remember when they based an A320 at NCL for the Summer, I believe it was 1994? Shame they still dont operate a summer base here, it would certainly make for some variety. I am sure they flew a relative to Corfu and back and they said it was a great flight.

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17948 times:

The A300s are in a similar state to the A330. A 361 configured A300 on a longish haul flight is no joke. Ne premium cabin and 9 abreast!

User currently offlineMAN23R From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17938 times:

congratulations to all company officials, especially the flight crew who make it all possible. i do hear the crew T&C's arnt too good mind.....


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17919 times:

Quoting Nema (Reply 13):
is it Cosmos that is there sister travel company?.

Yes, Cosmos is their sister company.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 11):
Airline Engineering had been set up at this time to look after the mx of Britannia's and they also looked after other airlines such as African Safari, CU, Int'l Aviation Services and several others.

I think this is incorrect. The two directors who left British Eagle before its collapse, Bill Hodgson and Don Peacock, started with engineering and maintenance facilities at LTN for other airlines but were approached to operate flights, probably partly due to the eventual collapse of British Eagle which left some tour operators without any airline to fly their passengers. It was then that the Swiss-Italian Mantegazza family, who owned the Globus Gatway Group, provided the financial backing for them to source and buy the aircraft to fly the passengers and Monarch Airlines was founded. They did all their engineering and maintenance in-house from the start.

Separate from the above I go to Gran Canaria in the early summer and normally fly BA whose flights were operated by GB under the franchise agreement. After U2 brought GB, I checked the summer fares and found the fare with U2 for flights in June 2008 were quoted at over GBP 450 without any extras (speedy boarding, hold luggage etc). I found flights on Monarch for the same dates and even with Monarch Plus, their fare was GBP 175 including taxes. No doubt which airline I booked.

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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17894 times:

They seem to do less charter flights even for Cosmos. Cosmos seem to be making increased use of ZB schheduled which is a shame as its means less charter flights from them, which is a shame. I particularly loved MON Plus service bookable on Monarch charter flights on short haul, dont know if thats gone by the way too.

I know Danny bernstein was head honcho at MON for many years, in its heyday when it was a good old fashiioned bucket and spade carrier.

User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17867 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 23):
in its heyday when it was a good old fashiioned bucket and spade carrier.

Indeed it was, but sadly the times move on! As has been hinted at several times already, Monarch has done exceptionally well at responding to a changing market, changing attitudes to air travel and changing costs. And probably more so - and with more integrity - than any other British carrier.

Congratulations to a fantastic airline on reaching a fantastic milestone.

25 Orion737 : Im not so sure. I think some on the integrity has diminished, as happens when you adopt a no frills business plan, even at an airline with a long repu
26 VS4ever : Ahhhh, the famous days of Monarch, I was never lucky enough to fly them, but as a kid, I was oh so envious of the folks that got to fly those 757's fr
27 Dazbo5 : Can anyone help answer this question please. Monarch and sister tour operater Cosmos are advertising 33" seat pitch for Monarch aircraft, but they hav
28 Orion737 : Good luck ,any mention of the 300s which are stciking round? they really ned the revamp as they are the most tight and uncomfortable aircraft in the M
29 GT4EZY : Monarch have a very good scheduled onboard service IMO and a service that is well suited to the routes they do......basically a Scheduled version of c
30 Orion737 : Yes but get off that high horse, because GT WERE good as MON , maybe better but now they are a no frills like EZY and ZB offers papers, hot meals for
31 Boeing74741R : I suppose, but they were similar in the fact that their portfolio of routes were (apart from the GT Austrian routes and others) similar, you could be
32 Orion737 : Yes but ZB scheduled service is not the same as ZB scheduled 10 years ago. They very much changed their product after dropping Crown Class
33 Ba737 : I think we've all forgotten something....Happy 40th birthday Monarch. Long may you fly
34 Orion737 : Isnt it FlyMonarch now??? Thats sad!!
35 ACEregular : I'd Like to bet that the ex employees of GB, now fully integrated into easyJet are on much better terms of employment, with better staff perks, pay s
36 BlueShamu330s : There was only ever going to be one merger/takeover by the Mantegazzas, and that was First Choice, but they slept the pillow and missed it. I as much
37 GT4EZY : My statement was also in the past tense......WERE. But thanks for the incredibly rude, almost personal, reply Orion. For your information perhaps how
38 Kimberlyrj : Hey I have flown MON many times and I totally love them. I must admit I still prefer the ‘classic’ livery over the new one, but I guess things mus
39 SyeaphanR : 19 November 1989...LUT-TXL-LUT on G-MCKE!. Just after the Wall opened up. A great trip on a great airline. A real party atmosphere, given the occasion
40 Orion737 : Kimberly. short of marrying you, Im adding you to my respected user lieat. You miss BY so much you would never fly with 'that' company again! Like it
41 GT4EZY : I too miss the Britannia name and the old Britannia livery but to not fly with a charter carrier on this basis is a little stupid. I say this because
42 Orion737 : Kim is my new best friend and she's not stupid, shes loyal to a charter airlines who's name lives on in our hearts forever. I know going from GB to EZ
43 GT4EZY : But that is something that you fail to understand Orion. Many UK members here probably feel the same about the charter airlines. I certainly do and to
44 PM : A predilection for Rolls-Royce engines whenever possible? Great thread! Thanks! I flew twice on MON 1-11s (LTN-VCE-LTN) and my first published photo
45 Orion737 : I wish GT4EZY would stop telling me how I feel and explaning to me in 'Janet and John' terms the recent changes and trends in both the charter and tou
46 Post contains links and images BlueShamu330s : Seeing as Orion is happy reminiscing.....I found these today, blew the dust off them, and thought you might want to get all misty eyed over them. They
47 Orion737 : And I thought you didnt love me! Thank you very much for that
48 Gkirk : Are you some kind of stalker?
49 Orion737 : No, I just like it when I find another like minded person like me. Not everything in aviation changes for the best.
50 GT4EZY : I have worked in a busy travel agents before aswell as holding a Degree in Tourism Business Management so I have a fair idea of how things work too.
51 Orion737 : At the time, Airtours was often the cheaper alternate, yet people stayed loyal to Thomson. Also you didnt address my point about Britannia getting muc
52 GT4EZY : BY did of course get third party customers, like all charters. It goes without saying. This was very much a secondary revenue stream and had little r
53 Orion737 : yes they were. AMM at one point offered a superior service with their new 757s against BY old 732s, which is why BY got rid of them reequipped and bou
54 Orion737 : Wonder how much work Cadogan will be throwing your EZYs way? An association between GT and Cagodan going back years!
55 GT4EZY : Like everything my friend, I am sure it will be based on price. Right, off to take an orange to PFO.
56 Orion737 : Cadogan dont and have never marketed their holidays on price!!!!! Id rather take a banana to PFO, like a VirginSun one, for example or a Peach like an
57 GT4EZY : Maybe not their holidays but who they contract to carry their pax will be based on cost.
58 Post contains links Flyhi : Hi Dazbo5, Where did you see this advertised? Was it in a particular brochure and when was it for? The details I know are as follows: A332 - no chang
59 Ba737 : These Days, after the loss of britannia.. i only fly with monarch.!
60 Orion737 : Im adding you to myt respected user list. We have a lot in common and Iv enjoyed your posts even though you have only been with us a short time. Welco
61 Humberside : Isn't Cagodan owned by Bland, GB's former owners
62 Orion737 : It is indeed. the bland group and Cadogan and GB Airways were very much tied together until now! cadogan will not be putting their clients on easyjet,
63 Post contains links Jmc757 : Happy 40th Birthday Monarch! An airline that deserve to be here 40 years later still proudly flying their name. They have always been a forward thinki
64 Orion737 : Would love a copy of that brochure. Unlike BY, they never got a book out celebrating or charting the history of the airline
65 Englandair : Incorrect. I've no idea what it was called but when I started flying for BY we had coppies of a hard back book all about BY over the years, in the cr
66 Orion737 : I know BY had a book, I have a copy. it was Monarch I was refering to, they have an equal long history but no book
67 Englandair : ooooops misread your post. Sorry!
68 Boeing74741R : They (Britannia) did mention their 40th anniversary in one of their in-flight brochures in 2002. It was a flight in October of that year, but I remem
69 Dazbo5 : It's in their current brochures, eg Cosmos Florida and has even been mentioned on their website. I've seen it advertised for at least 18 months now b
70 Jmc757 : The ball is very much in Cosmos' court with this one. When Cosmos request the change (and negotiate a rate with Monarch) then Monarch will reconfigur
71 Flyhi : Almost forgot to mention that Monarch Plus will be disappearing soon. I think it is due to go after summer. I don't think the full service was always
72 Dazbo5 : Thanks JMC757, that sort of clears things up. It's strange they are advertising 33" seat pitch when it doesn't look like they will be able to offer it
73 Jmc757 : I think the chaange will come, it will have to for Cosmos (and any other tour operator contracting Monarch for long haul) to remain competitive. Thing
74 Boeing74741R : I can also see how this will benefit fleet planning, especially if for example an A321 scheduled to operate a flight goes tech and the only other air
75 Dazbo5 : The cost of long haul charter holidays has shot up over the last 2 years (I know from experience!). A chunk of that will be the increased seat cost wi
76 BAViscount : I have to say that I haven't flown Monarch since 1983, when I flew with them LTN-IBZ-LTN on a BAC1-11. I'd probably have to say that they were a coupl
77 Post contains links Humberside : A few articles about Monarch that may be off interest Looking at a 5th scheduled base for an A321 in August - http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layo...M
78 BCAL : Thanks for the links Humberside Just wait until a certain poster in this thread hears about the plans to axe face towels, free inflight entertainment
79 GT4EZY : The airline has to stay in profit. Boots stock a great range of refreshing face wipes, some even help prevent spots. WH Smith in the terminal has all
80 Orion737 : You want me to carry on, newspapers, face wipes, hand wipes, sweets, bottles of wine and 3 course hot meals to replicate Crown Service? How much cabin
81 GT4EZY : Take with you whatever you want or alternatively just take onboard what you would take on a train for a similar length (in time) journey.
82 Orion737 : I try to unravel your name, GT4EZY, does that mean you wanted to turn GT into an EZY style operation and why? Do you like wearing Orange? Anyway Monar
83 Orion737 : Also do Boots sell 'hot' towels or will Monarch still microwave them for me? hahaha
84 GT4EZY : No microwaves on aircraft and to warm them up in a oven is asking for an inflight fire. All hot towels are...are towels with hot water poured over th
85 Orion737 : You are a real orange through and through now then. Well I bet the people of GIB were sad to loose GB Airways. I was, it was still possible to use the
86 GT4EZY : I agree with a lot with what you see refarding GB Airways and I am sure there are some people who miss the full service benefits but, as with MAN 18
87 Post contains links Boeing74741R : Go to http://www.monarch.co.uk and fly from LTN.
88 Babybus : When I worked at LGW back in the 80s Monarch really were a very professional outfit to work with. The cabin crew often helped to clean the cabin so th
89 GT4EZY : Monarch is a legitimate business of the Italian Mafia.
90 Post contains links and images BCAL : So what is your source that confirms this? Just because the airline is owned by a Swiss-Italian billionaire, whose name sounds as though it might hav
91 BlueShamu330s : Whenever Monarch regularly returns a profit year in, year out, the old mafia chestnut gets hauled out by their competitors. It really does get tediou
92 Cornish : Not Mafia but I bet they indulge in that well known Italian sport of tax evasion. Beloved of wealthy Italians across the country Good to see Monarch
93 BlueShamu330s : Of course, it's in their genes !
94 GT4EZY : I merely stated what several MON friends have told me. It wasn't based on the fact the airline makes repeat profit or anything of the like. Sorry to g
95 BCAL : Sorry for the mix-up. I beg forgiveness so please don't send any Mafia hitmen my way! Don Corleone hassa calla off da horse's head in your bedda but
96 Orion737 : Isnt it now FlyMonarch? thats whats plastered on the side of their planes. much prefered the old livery. i loved it when MOn had the DC10, sadly short
97 Cornish : Mmm interesting reply BCAL,. What accent is that exactly ?
98 Englandair : Nope, it's still Monarch. They dropped the 'Airlines' though. 'flymonarch.com' had been painted on eight aircraft instead of 'Monarch' (which looked
99 Jmc757 : Its still Monarch Airlines, hasn't changed. Why would the name of the compaby change just because they chose to advertise their website on some of th
100 Boeing74741R : You can still use both domains to access the Monarch site, but the principal domain is now monarch.co.uk FlyMonarch was, as mentioned, used to promot
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