B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 29 Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 765 times:
Airlines want new 250-seat jet, engine maker says
By Chris Stetkiewicz
SEATTLE, Feb 14 (Reuters) - The world's airlines are clamoring for an all-new mid-sized commercial jet, according to engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney, though neither of the two major airplane makers are offering one.
Sales of 250-seat aircraft have slowed in recent years, which may signal airline dissatisfaction with the options available: Boeing Co.'s 767 and Airbus Industrie's
1/8ARBU.UL 3/8 A330, each of which is based on 20-year-old designs.
"Do I think there's a possibility that the world wants a new 200- to 250-seat airplane? I think the answer is yes, and I think it's only a question of when," said Robert Leduc, executive vice president at Pratt and Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp. .
A month ago Toulouse, France-based Airbus shelved plans to build the proposed A330-500, a derivative jet that some airline executives privately deemed too heavy and too expensive to operate.
Seattle-based Boeing has said it was studying an all-new mid-sized jet, but had yet to move beyond the drawing board.
To date Boeing has not identified new technology that would significantly improve performance or lower the cost of the 767 line, said Randy Baseler, Boeing commercial airplane marketing chief, seated alongside Leduc at a conference hosted by investment bank SG Cowen.
"We continue to look at airplanes across the whole product line," Baseler said. "Mostly what we are looking at ... is how to design, build and produce these airplanes for significantly less."
Singapore Airlines Ltd. on Wednesday said it would buy 10 widebody Boeing 777s, noting that the 325-seat jet was bigger than what it really wanted.
Baseler agreed that interest in so-called "middle market" airplanes was building after two years of subpar sales.
"There are a few campaigns here and there. Airlines are starting to focus on that. We will see some campaigns this year," Baseler said. "With our present (jet) models, we think we are pretty well positioned."
A handful of European airlines are looking at mid-sized jet orders this year, Leduc said, notably Germany flag carrier Lufthansa , which may buy both passenger and freighter airplanes.
But airplane orders in general are scarce this year, after a surprisingly strong showing in 2000. Many analysts predict Boeing and Airbus will book about 750 orders combined in 2001, down from over 1,100 last year.
"Narrowbody-wise, clearly a potential large order from America West , maybe as many as 60 airplanes needed," Leduc said. "Outside of that we don't see a really big narrowbody order in North America. There are other campaigns, but nowhere near that quantity of aircraft."
Leduc said he was surprised by a spike in jet orders from leasing companies and a record-setting order for 94 narrowbody 737s from all-Boeing discount carrier Southwest Airlines Co. , which boosted orders to an unsustainable level in 2000.
19:20 02-14-01
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Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 737 times:
The A332 is relatively new, and the 764 is sparkling new, complete with 777 interior and avionics. Both carry about 250 pax, so I don't see why airlines are demanding a 250 seater when 2 are already available on the market.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4744 posts, RR: 31 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 733 times:
Airbus is shooting themselves in the foot if they don't offer a successor to the A310/A300...the A330 isn't suited well to short routes...and the wingspan is huge.
I think Airbus is going to sit back and wait for Boeing to bite first and then offer a new product...as they have plenty of other projects (A340-500/600 and of course A380) to worry about right now.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 729 times:
As CPDC10-30 said, Airbus needs to offer a shorter range 250 seater to replace the A300's. The 332 in a great long range aircraft.
Boeing already has this covered. The 764 and 753 both seat about 250 (237 and 245), and are efficient on shorter flights. I think the 767-400ERX will be more successful though.
Widebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1148 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 723 times:
One of Airbus' first proposals to cover this market was to use the existing A300/A310 structures/wings etc, but fit them with A330/A340 standard interiors/cockpits etc.....seemed like the best solution at the time.....