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User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5633 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29268 times:

Skybus is closing doors at 9:30 tonight. Just another one of many losses we are watching happen.


Edit to add a link to the story.

[Edited 2008-04-04 17:58:56]

I Am A Different Animal!!
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User currently offlineNY-JFK-LGA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29252 times:

I just checked skybus.com and nothing in the news. Where did you hear this?

Bring back McDonnell Douglas & T W A!!
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5157 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29264 times:

Weird. Can still book on their website ... but this is from the news ... http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live...ss/stories/2008/04/04/skybust.html


Live, and let live.
User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29242 times:

This is basically a duplicate thread (and will likely be deleted) and you both don't have any sources to confirm it. I'm not saying they won't, but hard proof would be nice.

Go Trojans! Fight On!
User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29248 times:

We actually had a topic on this and it disappeared... hmm...

however, I'll say it again.... I hope all SX employees find jobs real soon and good luck.

next flight:TBD
User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 3136 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29270 times:
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 tombstone  All I can think about is "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen. Hope this is the last one to close.

All of the opinions stated above are mine and do not represent Airliners.net or my employer unless otherwise stated.
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29159 times:
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good luck to all Skybus employees and their families.

User currently offlineJetBlueJackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29166 times:

they are making you get your own refund thru the credit card companies if you were booked on them after tonight. Classy to start, classy going out...any SX employees on here....my sincere condolences go out to you for having to put up with your flawed leadership and business strategy.....just remember, things happen for a reason

User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2891 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29169 times:

The story is in the columbus dispatch. feel sorry for the employees, but I'm glad this stupid concept of an airline is gone.

User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 29077 times:

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):
Hope this is the last one to close.

Me too, these thread are getting depressing.... although I'm guessing some might see this one as joyful. (I'm talking about the airline concept, not people losing jobs... nobody likes that)

next flight:TBD
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2519 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28997 times:

What can I say... too many bad news for the US airline industry this week!!!

For me, it will be sad to see a big whole in CMH just like when HP closed its hub... and it will be more difficult to find good fares on the NYC-CMH route. If only Jetblue could have stayed longer at CMH...

User currently offlineAA388 From Puerto Rico, joined Sep 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28997 times:

this is a sad week in the airline world and what happened to the other thread. (moderators care to explain)


p.s. i just tried to book and i got to where i had to put in a credit card which i dont have

Flown on A319, A320, A321, A330-200, A340-300,600, 717, 737-3,5,7,8,9, 747-400, 757-2, 767-300, 777-200
User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28907 times:

Wow...was not expecting it to come this quickly...I was planning on doing a daytrip CMH-MKE later on, guess that ain't happenin. How long were they actually flying planes? Half a year?

Will you watch the Cleveland Browns and the Detroit Lions on Sunday? Only if coach Eric Mangini resigned after a loss.
User currently offlineNY-JFK-LGA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28906 times:

This is truly scary, I'm deeply saddened by all of this that's going on. My heart goes out to each and every one of those thousands of employees of these carriers.

Bring back McDonnell Douglas & T W A!!
User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28906 times:

I agree. Too many carriers chasing after the same people with promises of low fare, however, the cost basis does not allow for them to make money. Also, the capital market is dead to get more infusion of funds, unlike the legacy carriers who has better cash position, plus can balance their act with international flights.

Next to go:
- Champion Air
- Sun Country
- Frontier
- Allegiant
- perhaps even some feeder carriers
- Spirit - being smart to spread their wings south into the Caribbean...
- Anyone else I missed?

I also think NWA DAL merger will pass through within the next 2 months (just my opinion; no hard sources so do not flame me).

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 7456 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28907 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 11):
although I'm guessing some might see this one as joyful. (I'm talking about the airline concept, not people losing jobs... nobody likes that)

You never know with people on A.NET !

So now, which airports are the big losers? And what about Airbus?

I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28836 times:
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Quoting Nkops (Reply 11):
Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):
Hope this is the last one to close.

Me too, these thread are getting depressing.... although I'm guessing some might see this one as joyful. (I'm talking about the airline concept, not people losing jobs... nobody likes that)

Well to be honest since the did not even make it a year the impact will be far less then carriers such as TZ and AQ.

You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4365 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28843 times:

Nice... in case anyone is still skeptical... read this article:


Unfortunate for the families affected by this... but this is what the industry finally needs. Shedding of airlines like Skybus who artificially keep fares low by charging unrealistic fares.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5157 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28839 times:

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 9):
The story is in the columbus dispatch. feel sorry for the employees, but I'm glad this stupid concept of an airline is gone.

= Yes. Link posted above.

Quoting JetBlueJackets (Reply 8):
they are making you get your own refund thru the credit card companies if you were booked on them after tonight. Classy to start, classy going out...any SX employees on here....my sincere condolences go out to you for having to put up with your flawed leadership and business strategy.....just remember, things happen for a reason

= You know. I actually do admire the concept of Skybus and their brave venture in a difficult market environment. For all its detractors, it tried to provide something new and I enjoyed their service. Before you cheer on, don't be too certain on the performance of many carriers who are rarely discussed as "closing" material on A.Net. I would not be surprised if B6 goes into some financial difficulty (without LH help) very soon. Take a look at their 10K filing and do a quick analysis of its balance sheet. Some of their liquidity ratios (cash, current, quick, dirty) are dangerously low.

Additionally, the way they went out with requesting passengers to seek compensation through their credit card company is no different than most other airlines. Don't just hate for the sake of hating.


[Edited 2008-04-04 17:49:06]

Live, and let live.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34612 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28845 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 13):
For me, it will be sad to see a big whole in CMH just like when HP closed its hub... and it will be more difficult to find good fares on the NYC-CMH route.

It might be difficult, but not because of Skybus. Airlines - with the exception of Southwest in a handful of markets a few times - didn't take Skybus seriously and didn't fare match.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 17):
How long were they actually flying planes? Half a year?

10.5 months.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28846 times:
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
And what about Airbus?

Will be fun to see how long they keep those 63 A319s on the books.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3811 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28804 times:
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Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 12):
This must be a happy 4 years anniversary on a.net. Finish the day with Sx closing

I just realized it's my 4th a.net birthday, yeah Happy Birthday to me!

Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28812 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
So now, which airports are the big losers? And what about Airbus?

Off the top of my head.. I would say ILG again... DL and then SX... not a good year for ILG.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 21):
Well to be honest since the did not even make it a year the impact will be far less then carriers such as TZ and AQ.

I agree 100%... just hate to see people who have to job hunt, because I've been thru it twice.

next flight:TBD
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5157 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28729 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 25):
Will be fun to see how long they keep those 63 A319s on the books.

= It will be even more fun to see how quickly VX can get their 319 back and seek ETOPS certification for flights to HI.


Live, and let live.
User currently offlineSkyjet06 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 29396 times:

That is really sad to hear. Best wishs to all their employees and to all others affected.

25 727LOVER : ExpressJet Since VX has Sir Branson behind it, it may not be on the endangered list.
26 Nkops : Who didn't see that excuse coming!!!
27 OPNLguy : Looks like they have about 5 birds in the air... 338 ILG-GSO 309 GSO-PWM 081 CMH-FLL 017 CMH-PGD 107 CMH-SWF I'm guess they'll all ferry back to CMH t
28 Abrelosojos : = The amount of hate is just unbelievable. Given the choice of no jobs, versus a lower paying one, which would you chose? -A.
29 Nkops : Is that necessary??
30 Post contains links RJFlyer0891 : http://www.skybus.com/ Now it's up
31 Luisca : The fact is that when SkyBus opened the airline industry in the US was in its largest hiring boom in recent times, there was an extreme shortage of p
32 Ewmahle : It is probably ture that this needed to happen, but still to bad. It alotted a lot of people the chance to fly for the first time and I truely beleive
33 FalconBird : Another sad day in the airline world. Who's next? Maybe the US Government will take a serious look at the economy, high fuel prices, and the fact that
34 National757 : I wonder how much of that $100+ Million in start up capital is left? What a shame..this airline should have never even started to begin with. CMH as a
35 Mawelsh : I'm on with my credit card company getting a $684 refund for 4 roundtrips in July to BUR. Them : "Airbus went out of business?" Me: "Airbus makes plan
36 Post contains links Allstarflyer : Called it, and would be content to leave it with just that one. That's unfortunately the right attitude. Three in the U.S. in one week. I'd be really
37 MAH4546 : Champion is gone, ends May 31st. Allegiant will be fine. They are a travel company first, an airline second. Spirit should survive, because they have
38 G4resagent : A bit off topic, but do explain...
39 SAN787 : tell them you're on A.net, they'll understand how you found out before them
40 Mke717spotter : This must kinda suck for some of those small airports that gained commercial service because of Skybus such as St. Augustine, Punta Gorda, Gary(Which
41 Ewmahle : Is GSO-FLL still going out at 9:15pm?
42 Catdaddy63 : Doubtful. Branded operations are on life support IMO, the COEX and DL ops are propping them up. Barring CO from further cutting their share of expres
43 Byrdluvs747 : I'm neutral on Skybus, but I am so glad to see TZ(do feel for the employees) gone. Anything related to WN, I can't stand.
44 OPNLguy : The message on their website says that they'll be running all their flights on the 4th...
45 SAN787 : it says all flights schedule for 4 April will be completed.
46 RJFlyer0891 : They're a fews year too late
47 Nbgskygod : Acording to their website all Friday April 4th flights will go as schedualed, however everything starting tomorrow will be canceled.
48 JayDub : I feel for the crews, but they had to know they were gambling. Good riddance, Skybus. As for you armchair CEO's out there...Frontier and Allegiant are
49 BravoGolf : Flight 367 just got clearence for it's "farewell tour" back to GSO from GYY
50 Nbgskygod : glad we are all on the same page
51 Mawelsh : That was evident! He said their systems are so crushed processing airfare dispute claims this week that I should FAX the information to them instead.
52 Ewmahle : Two things here: 1) Not that the crews are crazy or anything, but do you want to be on a flight full of distraught crew members? I personally do not.
53 Spinkid : It is sad to check A.Net every day and see someone shutting down each day lately. There are going to be a lot of planes parking in the desert in the n
54 Post contains links OPNLguy : Link to what's in the air: http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/SKB
55 B757capt : SKB367 just left GYY. On departure the crew asked to taxi for the farewell tour! Oh man.......
56 EA CO AS : Can someone post Skybus' route map? It has been removed from their website.
57 TN757Flyer : Better start liking them. At the rate things are going, they are going to be one of the few survivors left. (A bit of an exaggeration, but not comple
58 Post contains images AirTranTUS : As long as possible I imagine. And people criticized Boeing for being resistant to selling to these new startups. It was no wonder they were going to
59 FlyDeltaJets87 : We can only hope Mesa suffers a downward spiral that ends in flames and a shutdown but with enough warning for the majors they serve to be able to co
60 Post contains links and images SAN787 : I captured a before and after of their website...you can see the route map there...
61 44k : wow. Just returned from CMH, the whole airport is buzzing. The media is there, but the employees themselves seemed to have been informed last. There i
62 JohnJ : Wow. I had a sneaking suspicion things weren't going well, and spent an entire day up at Westover/CEF to catch two Skybus arrivals yesterday. I'm real
63 COERJ145 : It would cripple US's PHX and LAS express operation. Mesa is the only carrier that flies for US out of PHX and LAS. It would lead to a shutdown of PS
64 EA CO AS : Unfortunately, that's usually how it happens. The front line is the last to know.
65 Dvincent : Regardless of people's opinions of Skybus, I'm sad to see it go from Westover. Good thing I caught it on Saturday.
66 JetBlueJackets : BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Attention in the terminal...paging Jetblue to return to the ticket counter hope Dave Barger is watching...fares to NYC and BOS are
67 AirTranTUS : Actually it wouldn't. Currently there is 1x daily mainline to PHX, and CLT is beginning soon. I don't think US would let TUS go. They would just oper
68 Ikramerica : This was my post in the the other thread that was deleted because it was "not true" or whatever... But it relates to this, so I'll repost it: Well yes
69 Emseeeye : Oh... my... word... I just saw this thread and thought it was a joke. Guess not. I remember reading on Anet last year when someone was referring to Sk
70 AAH732UAL : 10 min after the fact. 9:40 Eastern. I guess people don't want to fly for 9$. I think that this is a good end to an airline this week, except for the
71 Hiflyer : Buhbye we hardly knew ya Stupid me...figured it was AZ's turn next....... However, on a very serious note....we have seen something this week that has
72 Post contains links and images Mawelsh : Thanks Skybus for the great memories with my kids at Disney and NYC. I wish you had better parents. See how sad my little one is already?
73 B757capt : Was this after you paid the 10 bucks to board first and they told you that you had to store your kids in the overhead?
74 Ikramerica : seems as if SkyBus would have been much better off "hubbing" in the orlando area and just flying everyone there from all over the east. much more dema
75 Allstarflyer : Could there be other regionals ready to jump in there for each their own piece of that pie? Plenty of regionals out there - anyone guessing (in light
76 Brons2 : And do what, exactly? Unless it involves building an alternate infrastructure to vehicular travel, making us less dependent on oil prices, I'm afraid
77 Socalfive : HUNH? Deregulation??? I'm sorry but that's a 1983 argument, not a 2008 argument. What's killing airlines is the effects of a bad economy and or bad m
78 Ikramerica : They are already doing enough stupid things, spending money willy nilly to try to make it look like they care. As for being in a recession, it seems
79 Osiris30 : I would say I was shocked.. but I'm not.. I called this back when they announced they ordered 65 aircraft before operating a single flight to anywhere
80 United_Fan : Wow,that's so very sad...I wonder what that means for the already-awarded IAG upgrade?
81 Saab2000 : Actually, this is good for the US industry. At all levels. The 'real' airlines don't need to try to sell tickets against loss leaders like Skybus and
82 Wncmh : It didnt surprised me SKYBUS fold
83 TN757Flyer : Yep. The last thing we need is government intervention. Might as well re-regulate if they are going to start bailing out sick carriers. Skybus failur
84 BillReid : What is sad is how many people this foolish business plan has burned. I suspect alot of airport managers have been wrung dry and will be looking for n
85 Osiris30 : Unless, at some point in the future the entire US model shifts dramatically and you end up with LCCs and then Premium (J or better only) carriers. Th
86 Halophila : Best of luck to all Skybus, AQ, and ATA employees. Finding yourself out of work really blows, no matter whom you were working for. That has happened t
87 Socalfive : They all said the exact same thing about Southwest. Skybus may or may not have made it had the economy held out, the fact is, it didn't and now we'll
88 Mawelsh : Actually I did have Priority boarding...got the bulkhead...it was almost civil.
89 Post contains links Nuggetsyl : Another one off the list looks like soon http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN3144146220080331
90 Luv2fly : Kind of like it was before deregulation, i.e. trunk carriers and the others.
91 HNL-Jack : The next one could very well be Mesa if they loose the lawsuit to AQ.
92 NWASkyking : Right on!!! Thats exactly how i feel about most of the low cost carriers...
93 Osiris30 : Sort of, but unlike the days of regulation I think they will fly similar routes, but with totally different market segments they chase. I would expec
94 Ikramerica : Who was they? I wasn't born yet... The ones whe were right? Who were right from the start, for the reasons they said, from the start? No, we obviousl
95 AAH732UAL : No, you not have these pop off airlines like SKB if it where not for Deregulation.
96 Osiris30 : Ikramerica: I would love to bow in the magnificence of your foresight, but (and no offense is meant by this at all), anyone who thought: A startup or
97 Ikramerica : It baffles me that people think the failure of a silly venture such as SX should lead us back to the days of regulation. Get a grip!
98 Gregarious119 : Looks like GSO-PGD just left for Florida...I'd be curious to get a trip report from that flight or the last GPT-CMH or PGD-GSO flights. Can imagine it
99 Abrelosojos : = Yay. Lets go back to flying being for the privileged few ... Cheers, A.
100 Ikramerica : I was talking to Socalfive, who still swears SX was a good idea. I have no beef with you. These are not the droids you are looking for.
101 777fan : Shocker. Ten $10 seats on flights and the one flight the Chicago Tribune reviewed just about three weeks ago had a whopping 17 pax on it. Once again,
102 EA CO AS : Last I checked it was the Deregulation Act of 1978 not, 83. Oh sure, it's all the ECONOMY'S fault. Poor planning, improper route selection and skyroc
103 Osiris30 : Hehehe.. that wasn't my point I have no beef with you either. It just amazes me that ANYONE of reasonable intelligence could have thought what Skybus
104 CatIII : Exactly...especially since the free market worked in this case. It's unfortunate for those who have lost their jobs, but this was a free market casua
105 TN757Flyer : My guess is some folks in Congress that represent states where the airports that laid out $$$ for capital improvements and tax incentives to airports
106 Ikramerica : True, but it was about 1983 when the "deregulation is killing us" talk really started in earnest.
107 Ewmahle : So here is the report from GSO....I swung by the airport after running and errand just to check it out. The check in has been shut down and no employe
108 Ualcsr : The amount of hate? Please. Funny how some are mourning the demise of this very flawed "airline" and not considering the investors (stupid or otherwi
109 Ikramerica : I've always thought it was a bad idea to spend public money to court one business over another. Columbus bent over backward for SX, and look what it
110 AAH732UAL : That is a crappy argument. I am not saying that at all. All I am saying is after the deregulation hit you got some many starts ups like this that hav
111 EA CO AS : Actually, that talk began back when the Act was first proposed - substantially all air carriers operating in the U.S. at that time opposed it.
112 F9Animal : Yes, please explain. I have heard nothing but positive outlooks for G4. Fine airline, good management team, good balance sheets, and fine employees.
113 Ikramerica : No, that is when the "deregulation WILL kill us" talk started. It was the early 80s, after a bunch of BK's, where the "deregulation IS killing us" ta
114 Osiris30 : No.. we know. Skybus as an airline was doomed to fail. There were too many things wrong with it. Note: I'm not condemning an ULCC carrier to failure,
115 NY-JFK-LGA : Reading this thread gives me the chills from witnessing the last day of my old airline, Independence Air. I remember being there that night, when the
116 EA CO AS : F9Animal and I seldom agree, but he's right - analysts show G4 and WN being the only U.S. carriers to remain in the black should fuel remain in the $
117 Post contains links B757capt : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKB367 Looks like this one is having an issue getting into GSO.
118 Abrelosojos : = And so what? The world of demand and supply means that flawed ideas (SX) die out. After 9-11, why were so many legacies propped up? They were weak
119 B757capt : Yeah the crew in GYY didn't really sound surprised. The pilots were like yeah we just got the text message. In talking to a few friends in the last f
120 Socalfive : Deregulation brought down the cost of air travel, substantially, as well as opened up new markets. Regulation had run its course and had become a har
121 MAH4546 : With the exception of Delta or Southwest starting FLL-CMH, I don't think of the cuts will be filled again. Columbus travelers will now be left with l
122 TN757Flyer : As for deregulation, I recall when my brother hired on with Allegheny just as it was being implemented. He'd started his career with TWA and went thr
123 Luv2fly : The airlines had to apply and be approved for assistance after 9-11 and they had the pay the money back, it was not a free loan. And many airlines fa
124 AAH732UAL : Ok I have had a mother who has seen the worst of the this. Alaska was not a deregulation child they have their own little area of the world and other
125 Asteriskceo : Awww jealousy bug bite? You would have to be very jealous of VX to say you'd rather them go under then piece of shit skybus. VX is awesome to fly on,
126 Ikramerica : If that's the most efficient system, why is it bad? Because it's not fun? And last I checked, there were: CO, AA, NW, UA, US, DL, AS, HA, FL, F9, B6,
127 F9Animal : Luisca, please show some compassion to those that lost their jobs today. CMH residents saw an opportunity to work for an airline, and they should not
128 Post contains links MAH4546 : Video from Columbus' FOX-ABC dual-affiliate on stranded passengers: http://www.wsyx6.com/
129 BravoGolf : Comment on the aviation week in general May you live in interesting times but enough is enough!!
130 Socalfive : Well put, and keep one other thing in mind when it comes to this deregulation nonsense argument. I remember in 1980 when I began my business career,
131 Warszawa : Expressjet Then i'd suspect Pace and/or or Sun Country within the next few months (Pace more likely, IMO, Sun Country, hard to say). VX, doubtful, as
132 Ualcsr : You're kidding, right? While I understand that legacies were having some economic problems prior to 9/11, I doubt any would've gone under had 9/11 no
133 Post contains links B757capt : Pace was just sold to a new company. Looks like they will continue to operate. They have secured charter contracts for all the fleet between now and
134 Post contains links CatIII : hmmm...you sure about that? The economy today offers so very many more options than did the economy in 1970. May I direct you here: http://cafehayek.
135 Flack4ric : Hate to see this end, hope stranded pax find way home soon, and that those with future trips booked can make other arrangements. Talked to a co-worker
136 StuckInCA : Who's to say that none of us do? For that matter, who are you to decide who has the right to judge? It gets old being told that you don't have the ri
137 Post contains links B757capt : Could be wrong but this looks like it will be the last SKB flight....... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKB312
138 Ikramerica : I wasn't born then, but Socal5 was between 8 and 17 at that time. I'm sure paying the mortgage was a b1tch on paper boy tips alone...
139 BravoGolf : OK how soon will Skybus stuff appear on e bay?
140 Bluejackets : Pleeeeease make the basement into an observation area! Or playpen.
141 Ewmahle : So if you are in GSO, not only do you lose your job, have to work in the rain, but you may be at work until 2am. Rough day!
142 CatIII : That's not entirely a fair statement. All airlines were reimbursed solely for costs resulting in the government shutting down the national airspace s
143 CatIII : Says a lot about the character of employees Skybus had. They're still sticking it out to wait on their inbound even though, essentially, they're work
144 CIDflyer : I wonder if G4 will reconsider pulling GSO now that we know Skybus is no more...
145 Lightsaber : The venomousness against skybus is... odd. I wish I didn't agree. Your posts suggest you "get it." For others: Those that are celebrating any of the a
146 Socalfive : Positive about that. These types of reports are nonsense. In 1970 there was nowhere near the debt there is today, it required one average income to p
147 Avianca707359B : Too bad for the employees, investors, and customers. There was nothing wrong with trying a new ULCC concept and struggling to make it work. But come o
148 MarcoPoloWorld : I also truly believe in the ULCC concept, but there will be room for only one or two in the US market. Skybus was the first. I think it's clear, howev
149 Socalfive : My apologies, You're absolutely right, As baseless as it might be.
150 Mariner : So was United being ridiculous when they came out of bk with oil budgeted at $50 bbl? mariner
151 CatIII : Well put...
152 Ualcsr : Probably, but United, like other legacies and LCCs can make concessions like charging for a second bag, raising fares, etc., etc. to somewhat offset
153 BlueElephant : As a person in Columbus, who's not particularly tied to any airline....I'm pretty sad to see Skybus go. After a number of changes and additions to ran
154 Socalfive : That's exactly right. The real attention getters will be a big-dog or two shutting down. If Delta goes forward with this Northwest merger, it will on
155 LTBEWR : Skybus had too small of a base in odd cities and they tried to gain pax by $10 fares that were massive money losers. They really didn't have a chance.
156 Leo8448 : Looks like Skybus 21 (GPT-CMH) is the final flight to arrive in CMH, 308 (PSM-GSO) is the final flight to arrive in GSO. I think those are the final f
157 XJETFlyer : Like I said before and continue to say, Turn Out The Lights The Party Is Over! Add this to a long list that will continue to fall out of the sky. I ho
158 Malaysia : I still feel that Independence Air still had the valor and gallantry to keep fighting even after filing bankrupcy and not shut down immediately. they
159 Mariner : And kept on spending other people's money. I Air burnt through nearly half a billion of shareholder value in their short existence. mariner
160 Bluejackets : " target=_blank>http://www.wsyx6.com/ "Either get on or get off." Wow. How bizarre. This whole thing - just bizarre. Pilots informing passengers base
161 Osiris30 : Agreed on United... I don't think they will see 2010 (been saying they'll be the one to go since 9/11). However, for a second I would suggest US Air
162 ContnlEliteCMH : Columbus doesn't need any mourning. We still have plenty of air service and we aren't going to be an underserved market just because Skybus parked 11
163 Osiris30 : I think you're wrong.. at least in the short term.. I don't think any carriers are rushing to expand service anywhere right now.
164 Malaysia : I knew you would bring up the "shareholder value"
165 TN757Flyer : Maybe my statement should have been more inclusive of what "may" happen given the events of the past week and what is rumored. It's no mystery the le
166 PlanesNTrains : We all have someone on A.net who we just never seem to get. For me, that person seems to be you. Not that it matters, or you should care, of course.
167 Xclozano : Personally, I think skybus was a joke from the start. Now a days, its the survival of the fittest (IE: Southwest, Continental, Delta, etc..)
168 ShannoninAMA : #4 to go down lately .... I honestly hoped Skybus could make that type of a business model work (Ala Ryanair). Seems as if a319s flying cross-country
169 Mariner : Charging for a second bag - aka menu pricing - isn't that what Skybus was doing? And since it is the consensus that none of the major airlines will m
170 XJETFlyer : I think Expressjet is better off than many think. It depends on what they can take over that is being lost or dropped. I have a feeling they are abou
171 JCS17 : No, people don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get to their final destination once they land at an out-of-the-way airport. With nearly every major
172 Post contains links Mke717spotter : Last Skybus flight is about to land at GSO. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKB312
173 Tsaord : I think more airlines need to die for the industry to get better. Its to fat, its obese, and it needs to loose some weight to get healthier again!
174 Post contains links B752OS : http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/primenewswire/139608.htm Looks like B6 is helping out the stranded pax and crew. $50 one-way standby tick
175 Osiris30 : Nice and smart as well. Cudo's to B6, but also almost pure profit since the standby seats woulda been empty anyway (everyone wins).
176 Icebird757 : It has already been stated that Champion Air is shutting down in May so my next pick for an airline to go belly up is.... Virgin America.
177 FlyingAY : So you think that in a free world your colleague is not allowed to take a job he wants at the pay he wants? In your books the AA pilots sure are hero
178 Bluejackets : Emotional appeal to their old friends in Columbus? I think they're coming back now. There's a reason they kept their signs and ticket counter up in t
179 LASOctoberB6 : That's a bit....stupid, don't you think? I didn't think about that...food for thought I guess... I thought they were already gone (when TZ shutdown).
180 Bayareapilot : 30 years (!) after deregulation people are still bitching about it. Hilarious. Meanwhile 2007 saw US airlines carry an all-time record number of pass
181 BR715-A1-30 : While I will admit, I saw this one coming... I did not expect to see it so soon.. Perhaps this is a bad time for start-ups to come into the playing fi
182 JetBlueJackets : With the classy move B6 made by helping out the stranded passengers, there is no longer any doubt that B6 will be coming back to CMH....make me wonder
183 WNBob : Talk about Flight-by-Night operator. NOT EVEN A &$^%# YEAR! Honestly, Boeing/Airbus sell planes to any yahoo... pay it whenever.
184 A/c dxer : Pace isn't sold yet. We are in good shape and should be for the rest of the year. Most people don't have a clue whats going on here because we are so
185 Post contains links Ikramerica : Other than Lion Air and a few small customers here and there, Boeing doesn't have a large backlog of orders with a bunch of yahoos. http://active.boe
186 REALDEAL : what about a non U.S. carrier ? Surely it's about time for an old legacy to go under ? There must be a few at least who aren;t riding that well. If t
187 Sevenair : Shame. I'm jut glad most of the US pilots are not JAR qualified! Otherwise they would make the job market in Europe even more difficuly.
188 Bennett123 : Nuggetsyl Did you notice that Reuters think that oil is $110 a Gallon.
189 SANFan : One of the things that intrigues me (read: makes me really wonder) is the number of wealthy companies/people who actually thought this was a viable id
190 Mariner : It is not - in the great world of finance - that large a sum of money. Just a little more than one big budget Hollywood movie, really, less than some
191 InTheSky74 : B6 probably didn't list PIT as closest to CMH since they said to any airport within 100 miles of the Skybus airport. PIT-CMH is about 145 miles away.
192 BrianDromey : Im surprised SX crashed so quickly and so soon. I think the business model could work very well in the US. Unlike what many, many posters have said th
193 R2rho : Small question: why can't Skybus enter Chapter 11 for a while and re-emerge, just like every other airline has done?
194 ENU : I "read" all the replies, but I couldn't find an answer on the question what will happen with the ordered aircraft. Any idea?
195 NZA320 : Like most people i'm not surprised at this news but i'm still a bit saddened that yet another airline has gone down. I've followed the airline from it
196 PHX Flyer : To my knowledge, there are only two operators of high-density A319, both in Europe. My guess is that the lessor will try and pass them on to Easyjet
197 Ualcsr : LOL!!! I've been reading about UA's demise from airchair CEOs for years. Would you care to elaborate the current version of why UA doesn't survive wh
198 Ualcsr : Do you understand that I'm agreeing with you? SX was pretty much out of options because by altering any of their then current policies to become anyt
199 B4REAL : SX are not a public corporation.
200 Ualcsr : Thank you. Other than for their employees, I feel absolutely nothing for SX and IAir (can't even remember their code) having gone under. Too many peo
201 REALDEAL : Tiger Australia have committed to a few A319's in a 144 seat config. supposedly to be able to service smaller ports in Australia that don't currently
202 WorldTraveler : any company can enter chapter 11 but C11 is a reorganization of finances - primarily a debt restructuring. Skybus probably didn't have a lot of unsec
203 Ttango : UALCSR, Do you honestly think UA has survived because they run a solid business that generates consistent returns for their investors? UA survives bec
204 Antdenatale : Some of you guys should be ashamed by the comments I have read in this thread. Forget your hatred of Skybus and spare a thought for the employee's who
205 Knope2001 : In very general terms, there are two Chapter 11 routes: The first is Chapter 11 as a strategic defensive move to reorganzie, shed debt, restructure c
206 Ttango : Going into 11 depends on your ability to get DIP. The ability to get DIP depends on the strength of the core business, the underlying value of the ass
207 Ualcsr : And how does this differ from AA, DL, CO, NW and US? Is UA the only airline with political clout in DC? The point is, that for years, people have bee
208 PennPal : One of the most intelligent statements I've ever read on A.net...
209 Jayspilot : Who put up the funding for this airline?? Someone shelled out several million dollars in start up capital?? Another writeoff for the financial industr
210 FlyingColours : Wow what is happening over there??? I only heard about ATA yesterday and am still shocked about Aloha Airlines. I know that ATA was in some trouble bu
211 CallBell : Well said. At the end of the day, its not just a faceless organisation that has stopped trading, It is hundreds of real people who are wondering how
212 BestWestern : Whats happening at the moment is more than airline economics - the financial crisis is resulting in no additional working capital being available for
213 PRAirbus : What a shame, I sadly believe F9 could be next if they do not merge or are bought out. F9 would be a great complement for B6 or NK, same fleets and no
214 TN757Flyer : People are so convinced Frontier is next. They seem much more healthy and have been making proactive steps to stay that way. I'd be more worried abou
215 EXAAUADL : I belive VX could very well be next. F9, B6 adn NK are all at risk with B6 being lesat risk
216 Mcdu : I tend to disagree. Anyone that took a job at SX and did not realize the hazards of working for a startup, especially one with such a shaky business
217 Isitsafenow : I had a a friend who was just like that...really vibrant, healthy, on the go. I dropped dead of a sudden heart attack one morning. safe
218 MSYtristar : I'm late to the game here, but it really saddens me to see so many people "glad" when an airline goes under. Folks, the industry was screwed up long b
219 Post contains links MetJetCEO : From http://www.skybus.com Skybus Airlines will cease all operations effective Saturday, April 5. Skybus struggled to overcome the combination of risi
220 United_Fan : Wow,that's sad. I was just reading the Airways article on them last night. Well said MSYtristar. I annoys me when people cheer for an airline,or any o
221 Flybulldog : That sucks for everyone who is stranded. I was able to re-book two of my flights at quite a substantial increase in fare. I had to file a claim with m
222 Antdenatale : I have to disagree with you here, a lot of people who work for airlines have no interest in aviation at all, to them it is just a job, i know a lot o
223 Mcdu : Well unfortunately if you decide to live in a vacuum you should not be surprised at the outcome. My mortgage and earnings are derived from the airlin
224 Socalfive : Just doing a little overnight housekeeping and cleanup a few unanswered posts... Never once did I swear Skybus was a good idea, never once did I intim
225 Wedgetail737 : Now that SX is gone, when will VX take delivery and start flying those A319's to places? Will we see some additional expansion from VX or maybe higher
226 Ikramerica : So now the high and mighty "how dare you not morn for Skybus" garbage comes out. We should all feel guilty for not being sad about Skybus. No, the one
227 Abrelosojos : = See, this is one reason why I have a problem with "arm-chair" CEO's like yourself. Have you looked at the UAL 10K for this year? Before deriding me
228 JayDub : Agreed. Maybe I'm just hardened...or maybe it is just the fact that I have always calculated my moves as far as choosing employment...but, I have lit
229 Ikramerica : Then leave and preach somewhere else. The writing was on the wall for a LONG time at Skybus. Employee attrition was high. People working for Skybus a
230 Shamrock604 : Agreed on the last part (it's usually not good when two senior figures depart so suddenly), but every carrier has to start somewhere! Could we have s
231 MasseyBrown : Exactly. Skybus probably had neither sufficient assets nor prospects of earnings to support debtor-in-possession financing. In addition, the owner/cr
232 Post contains links and images DeltaRules : I wasn't on A.net last night, so I totally missed this until seeing the Dispatch this morning. Really surprising to me, as I figured they would've mad
233 MSYtristar : You're right, they weren't that much alike except that both were pretty small carriers. I'm sure even at SX, like NJ, that close knit, family atmosph
234 Antdenatale : Very mature and grown up response there, does your hate of Skybus have anything thing to do with them having an Airbus fleet prehaps? Would you be ha
235 F9Animal : LMAO! You agree with me! I am saving this one forever! LOL! I have to admit, I agree with you alot. I just have to be an out caster sometimes. It is
236 ARGinLON : Don't you think is a bit naive of your part to believe or expect every average american to study the financial status of a company before they accept
237 Lightsaber : As you allude to, Its not just UAL or some of the small carriers. Don't ask for whom the bell tolls... One of the other great parts of the US economy
238 Abrelosojos : ... you will have more threads on A.Net ranting their misplaced anger. Cheers, A.
239 Logos : Every time I think about posting something, Ikramerica pretty much beats me to it. Frankly I think the most shrill toned posts have come from Skybus
240 Mcdu : I don't believe it is naive. Also, SX was paying wages that undercut ever operator in the business. Had they succeeded there would have been many mor
241 Osiris30 : I'm not playing armchair CEO here, just giving my input on the issue. I see just see UAs financials as questionable and their CEO generally disintere
242 Wr70beh : What I didn't like about Skybus is that you couldn't connect anywhere! You could fly from RIC-CMH real cheap, but where else were you going to go? I d
243 Shamrock604 : Ryanair's most profitable station is actually Dublin. STN, although the biggest base, and one of the most profitable, is not solely reponsible for FR
244 Rgreenftm : Please understand, while I don't personally agree with the concept of Skybus and wouldn't choose to fly it, but as a viable business, it could have b
245 Post contains links Mariner : But that's my point - Frontier has changed its business plan, fairly dramatically. And so we get this sort of headline: http://www.rockymountainnews.
246 KELPkid : Any concept where CMH was the center of the universe was doomed to failure... maybe it would have had a ghost of chance if all roads led to someplace
247 Osiris30 : WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. You are equating money to intelligent decision making. Paris Hilton has gobs of money and is an idiot. Look at the inv
248 Icebird757 : I am not too sure of that at all.
249 Beertrucker : I am Flying into CMH on Friday. I will have to see what the airport looks like as in a ghost town or what.
250 DeltaRules : The only ghost town will be the lower level boarding area where SX operated, gates B15, 17, 19, 21. The rest of the airport will probably still be fa
251 CMHfreqflyer : I dont' know, living in Columbus the city actually makes decent sense as a small hub for someone. While our weather is hardly Miami Beach, it is much
252 CMHfreqflyer : That gate design will probably haunt CMH for a while, until they can recruit another airline to use the area. It will probably have to be completely
253 Logos : That may be true, but Ryanair would never have gotten to where it is today without leaning heavily upon London in the early years. Starting the conce
254 B4REAL : Yes, this will be an issue for the airport. One possible scenario would be DL using them for the DCI operations at CMH, however, DL is in concourse C
255 DeltaRules : Does US need any extra space for RJs? They have the triple jetway B22/24/26 & I've seen them on the online flight schedule using B20 before. They als
256 WorldTraveler : Branson CANNOT pump money into Virgin America unless other US investors do the same. The precise reason VX faced so many obstacles in getting started
257 NASBWI : And after all these MONTHS of being in service no one has snapped a picture of the cabin... does anyone know about how many different configs they had
258 Midway2airtran : Well, this being the 250th piece of this thread, I'll give my two cents... Skybus was a very innovative product to the US market and my kudos to all t
259 RJFlyer0891 : Sure he can, under the table, a la Frank Lorenzo.
260 BOStonsox : That was post #259. Yeah, I would like someone to try the ULCC model again. I don't know about Ryanair USA although I wonder if there would be any ob
261 Brilondon : I unfortunately don't think it is. Right now seems to be a shedding of airlines who are unable to compete in this economic climate. The government wo
262 Ewmahle : There are 4 birds sitting on the tarmac in GSO right now. They have engine covers on and look like they are in no hurray to get them out of there. Any
263 Isitsafenow : My guess is whenever someone has the $$$$ to fuel em up. If I was the fueler, SHOW ME THE $$$$! safe
264 Post contains links and images EGNR : High density A319 operators at this time: Europe: easyJet (cfm-56) View Large View MediumPhoto © Andreas Stoeckl Europe: Germanwings (IAE V2500)
265 R2rho : Thanks for all the feedback from you guys about chapter 11. So I guess we can suspect several things: - Skybus maybe did not have enough cash to conti
266 YNGguins : I personally feel bad to see Skybus go, I had high hopes for them; it was just a bad time to come into the industry. This is not because of a recessio
267 Midway2airtran : That is worth quoting.. Not to mention all the over-blown bureaucracy and intentional bottlenecks that a start-up must face to get going and come to
268 MAH4546 : Let's not oversimplify things here. This business model would have failed at $60 fuel, just not as quickly. How about these problems: 1) Serving out-
269 Mariner : I haven't read that they ran out of money. Did I miss something? mariner
270 Newark777 : I'm sure Pan Am and TWA wouldn't quite agree with you on that one. The barriers to entry are very high, but that still hasn't stopped a good number o
271 MAH4546 : I didn't mean it literally. I'm sure they have cash left to pay off the creditors.
272 Mariner : I would imagine somewhat more than that. I think it was a case of the investors deciding to stop losing money. mariner
273 MAH4546 : True, and given the collapse of ATA and Aloha, after attempts from private equity investors to inject more cash came up with nothing, I would guess t
274 Midway2AirTran : The ULCC works out for many, but not for all. Actually these days you can fly on just about any full-service carrier and are more likely to face thos
275 Cumulonimbus : I don't care what anyone says. Indy air was a great Airline, even I was disheartened when they close down, and sadly that airline's service got even
276 Mariner : There we agree. mariner
277 WorldTraveler : which leaves a pretty chilling place for Virgin America.. and every other airline for that matter. They either better be able to make do ith the reso
278 EA CO AS : LOL!! For what it's worth, our differences are few, and actually fairly small in the grand scheme of things - we've got FAR more things in common tha
279 Mawelsh : Well see ya Port Columbus. I rebooked a July trip that was SX: CMH to BUR on FL, DAY to LAX via ATL. CMH departure would have been another hundred per
280 Post contains links MAH4546 : I had posted this in its own thread, but it was deleted by moderators (and I'm not allowed to judge their decissions in public, so I won't). Here we g
281 DeltaRules : When it came to the sales, everyone seems to think they came down the aisles & got in your face forcing a purchase down your throat for the duration
282 MAH4546 : I have never flown Skybus, but know plenty of people who used them from Burbank, and that was probably the number one complaint. Maybe it was the fac
283 Post contains links KarlB737 : MAH4546 this is a very interesting and through analysis you have posted. It shows what many of us never see which is the enormous dimensions of an ai
284 WorldTraveler : good post, MAH. all of these cities and many more like them are undoubtedly very nervous about the prospects for air service in small cities. traditio
285 MAH4546 : Indeed. This is a summary of service cuts to CMH and GSO after Skybus came to town. There is no doubt that Skybus played somewhat of a role in some o
286 Osiris30 : At 2x what it was last week is AA is smart about it.
287 WorldTraveler : considering that the loads these routes generated could barely fill a CRJ and the fare structure now no longer allows RJs to operate profitably, thes
288 Post contains links KarlB737 : In addition to the massive employment tragedy that always happens in these situtations I can't help thinking about the airport manager at Gary for ob
289 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Due to the length of this Thread we ask that the discussion continue at the following Thread Skybus Cease Operations Part 2 Any posts after this will
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